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Re: Bessler's En Principia
« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2012, 10:04:05 PM »
  @All,
 to stay on topic, the link is to Bessler's drawings. Starting with Mt 66, the next few drawings show the
same mechanical behavior, something being pumped. With Mt 67, it shows that the round bellows on
the right are all full.
 This I believe refers to pumping water around the outside of the wheel. In Bessler's Poetica Apologia,
 to quote him, "A wheel appears - is it really a wheel, for it does not have a normal rim."
http://besslerwheel.com/writings/apologia.html
 This is because as one German told me, Bessler said that he used tubes or pipes.
And with his wheel, the tube would be placed in the rim. This would allow the tube to stay in place, similar to a tire that uses a tube. If it had water in it, then as it rolled, the water could be pumped.
 
@pirate88719, if you can not stay on topic, please post in your own thread.
 
 

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Re: Bessler's En Principia
« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2012, 11:06:30 PM »
  @All,
 to stay on topic, the link is to Bessler's drawings. Starting with Mt 66, the next few drawings show the
same mechanical behavior, something being pumped. With Mt 67, it shows that the round bellows on
the right are all full.
 This I believe refers to pumping water around the outside of the wheel. In Bessler's Poetica Apologia,
 to quote him, "A wheel appears - is it really a wheel, for it does not have a normal rim."
http://besslerwheel.com/writings/apologia.html
 This is because as one German told me, Bessler said that he used tubes or pipes.
And with his wheel, the tube would be placed in the rim. This would allow the tube to stay in place, similar to a tire that uses a tube. If it had water in it, then as it rolled, the water could be pumped.
 
@pirate88719, if you can not stay on topic, please post in your own thread.

Hey Jim:

FFFFFUUUUUCCCCKKKK  YYYYYOOOOUUUUU!!!!!!!  You are 100% Asshole.  You do not deserve to be in this country and living on the taxpayer's money.  Why is my money being sent to support you?  Get the Fuck out of the USA and quit taking taxpayer money that you did not earn.  Fucking deadbeat moron motherfucker.  Is that on topic enough for you asshole?

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Re: Bessler's En Principia
« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2012, 11:12:28 PM »
  Bill,
 Thank you for sharing.
 I think my family in Norway will enjoy reading your words of wisdom.
 tolko govoreet po angleeskee. nekogda govoreet drugoy yizik.
 Gotcha, actually it' Russian an n'est pas is French. Il est longtemps j'etude en l'ecole.
qu'est tu parles ?

edited to add; @All, because I am bicultural and have taken the time to learn other languages I believe has helped me to understand Bessler's work.
 While Bessler himself I have heard was half Polish and half German, his work is still a part of German and European history. That and I think some of the coolest engineering people will ever see.

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Re: Bessler's En Principia
« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2012, 11:25:42 PM »
Holy crap!  Your Russian and your French are even worse than your English.  Google translate said both sentences were giberish and of no known language.  It figures.

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Re: Bessler's En Principia
« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2012, 11:35:42 PM »
  Bill,
 More Americans are of German ancestry than anything else.
 Funny how you don't like us foreigners.

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Re: Bessler's En Principia
« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2012, 11:53:38 PM »
  Bill,
 More Americans are of German ancestry than anything else.
 Funny how you don't like us foreigners.

Captain Oblivious:

I love foreigners, it is you American hating assholes that live off of the hard work of others I can live without.  Get your facts straight Johnny boy. Oh, I also have a strong dislike for folks that lie....like you do.  I have never stolen anything in my life and yet, you keep saying that I have.  You also claim TK has stolen as well.  Pretty serious lies for such an idiot like yourself.

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Re: Bessler's En Principia
« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2012, 12:27:14 AM »
  Bill,
 Saying you like people who live in other countries is a half truth, after all, they don't live in your precious America.

edited to add; uh, bill, can you say something else besides you're an American and it's the greatest country in the world ?
 After all, this is supposed to be an international forum.

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Re: Bessler's En Principia
« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2012, 02:51:43 AM »
From Besslers Apologia Poetica

"But softly! - speak softly of all these marvels,                                   
 lest the enemy grows wise!  He will drench me with his spittle                     
 so that I will lose my temper and in a sudden fit,                                 
 cast aside the mantle that conceals my wheel.                                       
 But he shall be thwarted in his desires."

Pirate hath drenched thee with much spittle using improper grammar. Saint Buzz recommends creative writing and basic English classes. Saint Buzz would also recommend anger management training or at the very minimum, an ankle bracelet.


Saint Buzz now returns to the heavens to bask in the  after glow of an ironic cut and paste.


Is this some kind of attempt on your part to express an idea or a thought?  Try backing off of the meds a little bit and give it another go.  Possibly, you might make some sense.

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Re: Bessler's En Principia
« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2012, 02:57:41 AM »
   

edited to add; uh, bill, can you say something else besides you're an American and it's the greatest country in the world ?
 After all, this is supposed to be an international forum.

Yes I can say something else. 

You are an Asshole.

Does that count?

Bill

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Re: Bessler's En Principia
« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2012, 07:45:24 PM »
@ jonnie874
I find your work on Bessler's wheel interesting since your interpretation of how it works which includes acceleration most helpful. Please let me know if my understanding of what you are saying is correct:

It takes two derivatives to define position as taught in physics which are:
1. Velocity - Distance over time.
2. Acceleration - Chance in velocity.

There is a third derivative which is chance in acceleration which would be necessary to define the exact position of an object that is accelerating at any given time. That third derivative is sometimes called "jerk". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerk_%28physics%29  As a side note, I would ignore the third derivative of position within this thread since it is hollow and brings nothing to the table.

Bessler seems to be saying that the bill of the bird is being used as a nozzle to spit the water to a different position in the wheel. From a physics perspective, he converts gravity into pressure to accelerate the mass to a new position to unbalance the wheel. If this is what you are saying, that would certainly provide some food for thought on how Bessler's wheel actually worked that is based in the intellect of mechanical engineering and physics.

If this is so, then a purely mechanical system of weights would seem impossible unless they were free to tumble and be thrown using a lever to accelerate them.

The hollow baseless insults of a jingoistic narcissist are to be ignored. Please remember not all people from the USA are this way. In fact, some of us actually know the name of our country or that "Asshole" is not a proper noun.  It is the low IQ flag wavers that think America is the name of their country unaware that is the name of a continent. You can't fix crazy or stupid, so let us just ignore it and keep moving.

As a second generation immigrant, I don't need to say to you "Welcome to the United States". This is your home and thank you for your contribution to our nation.

Now that the entropy of "balance" has been restored to the nation, the wheel and the thread, let us sit back and watch it spin some more.

Saint Buzz now returns to the heavens to bask in the bright red after glow that emanates from the freshly bitch slapped sea criminal.

   TheBuzz,
 Thanks for bringing some sanity back to the forum again  :D
Some times I wish I had John's books so i couuld read all the4 different things bessler mentioned. But one thing I have found is that to much information can keep a person from doing something.
 With the stork's bill, it does make a good pump like the basic one I built, they use same principle.
Within the concept of a wheel, it would be curved or warped and it's known that Bessler said he used warped boards.
 With what I am working on, it will be a rough build. But as long as it helps to show how the pumps work together, that will be okay. And with one tool I have thought of to build, it will help to make sure everything will be closely aligned.
 After this, I will be building a second, slightly smaller wheel, one about 25 inches in diameter. And I hope to use the same tooling to save on money.
 Some things I have found out is the layout of the wheel is one of the more difficult aspects. After all, the mechanics can't work together if the wheel is not properly proportioned. it will be the week following this one when I should be able to post a video or picture of the wheel on a stand. After this, then adding the pumps and their levers will be next.
 Sea Buzz, one thing people have over looked about the levers ona wheel like this is that as the wheel rotates, the levers will swing away from center towards the outer part of the wheel. And once again, to quote Bessler, he said that his weights got their force from swinging. And even when they are at an angle of 45 degrees, as the wheel rotates, they would be swinging downward. After all, they do have a fulcrum.
 Think of the wheel as a rotating fulcrum for 8 pendulums and like a clock, it has 2 different size hands to work with.
 
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edited to add; I didn't know they had calculations for the "jerk". I suggested something like that to Jovan as one way Milkovic's pendulum might become overunity. Kind of like shooting pool you know, if you cut the ball right, 8 ball in the corner pocket, ka-ching !
 
 

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Re: Bessler's En Principia
« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2012, 08:10:27 PM »
Buzzed:

Actually, the name of the continent is North America, named for the map maker Amerigo Vespucci.  The name of our country is The United States Of America, or, America in the abbreviated form.  Please learn a little history before posting such incorrect statements

Oh, and Asshole is indeed a proper noun when used appropriately, as I have done.  Look it up if you know how and where to do so.

An easy definition for you would be to look in the mirror.  That will give you an idea.

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Re: Bessler's En Principia
« Reply #41 on: October 22, 2012, 10:23:40 PM »
I would love to see the drawings. You referenced the drawings earlier but I didn't see a link to them. Do you have them?

Mechanical engineering is not what I am good at but I am interested to see if there is a mechanical acceleration taking place. I think that acceleration is the key to all free energy devices and would love to see a mechanical example.

 T Buzz,
 no sooner did I mention ab hammer was against innovation that he posted this in another thread. Since it's about Bessler, not sure why he didn't post it in this thread.
>>Re:  Innovating« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2012, 08:46:20 PM »Quote
                        You are ignoring this user.                        Quote from: johnny874 on October 20, 2012, 07:13:51 PM<blockquote>  @All,
 At one time I tried discussing conservation and innovation. The 2 best ways to realize free energy. AB Hammer fought me on tbis.
 What he missed is simple things like what happens when a solar panel is placed in a green house type environment. It is possible that it's efficiency could increase relative to the ambient temperature it is exposed to.
 After all, once perpetual motion is demonstrated, something will be lost.
 And it is something I can do. But to have people and idea's immediately discredited can also stop innovation by keeping people from considering different ways that innovation can be considered.
</blockquote>LMAO!!!
Jim; 
 You keep bringing my name up again and again. You are so practiced at baffling with B.S. for you have no brilliance. First you have to truly understand balance and pendulun effect as they effect on a wheel. For then and only then will you understand why you have been so full of B.S.
 
You are no expert on Bessler Wheel. Only when the wheel is operating? Then and only then can anybody claim to be an expert on Bessler Wheel. But then you will have to correlate with Bessler's writings. (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)   <<  Hmm, once again he is wrong. I think Mt 20 will show quite clearly it's Bessler's wheel. What he wants is to be the boss while he has nothing.  Of course, there isn't much to know about a pendulum in a wheel. All somebody has to do is look at Bessler's drawings and they should understand the concept. Of course, looking at something on paper isn't the same as looking at a wheel that rotates and heck, I built one of those and watched it rotate. One thing I have found odd is how critics seem to have the most respect in this forum.
 wikipedia states that perpetual motion is not possible with our current understanding. And I always thought this forum was for thinking outside the box, you know, trying different things.
 If you look through this thread, you'll see where I have posted different pictures, some with explanations and also links to Bessler/wiki.
 
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edited to add; here is a link to an earlier post in thsi thread that covers how levers work in an over balanced wheel and why I like the concept of using water.
Re: Bessler's En Principia« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2012, 11:13:21 AM »@All,
 One of the failures of over balanced wheels is that as has been shown, using levers doesn't work per se.
This simply means that if a weight falls towards center it does not create an under balance because of the
opposing levers behavior. I think Bessler realized this. If you look at his drawings, he did give levers
some thought as to how an under/over balance might be achieved.
 And this would be one of the coolest things he realized about using a fluid. For it to be pumped, it would
have to have less potential than the lever acting on it. Basically, if a lever can generate 5 lbs. or kg's of
force, the fluid would need to weigh less. An example of this is if 1 lb. or kg. of fluid were pumped using
5 lbs. or kg's of force, it would shoot out of the pump. Think a garden hose here.
 And what all of this would mean is that as the wheel rotates, the fluid would continually keep being pumped.
 And with the levers on the wheel being counter balanced with each other, it would be interesting to find out
how much fluid it would take to rotate a balanced wheel.

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Re: Bessler's En Principia
« Reply #42 on: October 23, 2012, 04:18:57 PM »
   @All,
  The red lines in the drawing show the difference in balance between the levers A2 and A3.
 And with the lever at top left and it's opposing lever at bottom right, about the same imbalance.
 They cancel each other out basically. But if you notice how many levers are against the
outside of the wheel, wasted energy. this is where pumping something like pumping water can
happen.
 Should have had the video oriented to the drawing, sorry.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h33LqXPCdV4
 
edited to change drawings, removed non essiential weights and levers.

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Re: Bessler's En Principia
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2012, 05:32:52 PM »
  A basic demonstration of torque. I will probably add more weights.
What this will do is help me to understand how much water it will take to
have decent acceleration in a wheel. Barely working won't cut it because
the critics rule the forum and it's their expertise at avoiding doing any real
building that gives them their credibility.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzIvsOhoHEk

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Re: Bessler's En Principia
« Reply #44 on: November 30, 2012, 03:43:59 PM »
  @All,
 Have let Stefan know I will be leasing shop space so I will have a place to work.
I am not sure how long until I will have something worth posting.
 With Bessler's wheel, I think it is something everyone will find simply amazing when they see it.
 But it does take time and I know I still have some things left to learn about building it.
 When I do post videos, I will be posting them on my youtube channel Bessler2011.

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