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AquariuZ

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Posting in Gravity Powered because I think it belongs there from what I saw. (Centrifugal force?)

Don´t ask me how and what he is doing but the claims that are made are something like:

Two (electromagnet) generators who both drive a single iron construction with weights added will give 2800 rpm´s.
Then when a load is placed on the generated output... The rpms stay the same or briefly go higher.
Designer: Antonio Romero (Spain) - not far from me actually.

There is nothing in english about this - you can use Google translate on these pages.

TK Omega RF5000 Generator
http://www.technokontrol.com/en/current-projects/generator.php

TK AMGPP Orion Advanced Magnetic Generator Power Plant
http://www.technokontrol.com/en/products/orion.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ERYReuQIrA

And another movie "proving" the principle: http://www.technokontrol.com/press-media/tk-rf5000-orion.html

Don´t ask me what they are doing exactly.

The claim today is Technokontrol has built the principle into an aircraft which can fly without any fuel.
Delivered, tested and passed. Who knows?

Anyone heard of them? Romero does ring a bell - there are claims of a patent granted 15 years ago.

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Re: Antonio Romero: Omega RF5000 and TK AMGPP Orion Power Plant (?)
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2012, 06:32:07 PM »
Hm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkmGronkVjU&

Does not look like the other videos at all.

Keramics?
Superconductivity?

I´m lost.

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Re: Antonio Romero: Omega RF5000 and TK AMGPP Orion Power Plant (?)
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2012, 06:43:44 PM »
For Spanish speakers there is an audio interview with the inventor:

http://nostromo-a-tierra.blogspot.com.es/2012/01/entrevista-antonio-romero-sobre-su.html

Dates back a few months.

I am going to listen and see what he says, my Spanish is sufficient.

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Re: Antonio Romero: Omega RF5000 and TK AMGPP Orion Power Plant (?)
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2012, 09:38:34 PM »
Hello
I´ve listen the interview and I may write a resume (in english) if any you are interested.
The guy is an engineer resident in Germany for more than 40 years, he used to work with his company specialized in making prototypes for german brands (Audi, Volkswagen).
He offered the invention to spanish industry officials, who went to Germany (to his workshop) and after the demonstration told him that he was not allowed to produce because it would bring difficulties to main industrial companys (oil, electrics etc), he should desist.
He did not, and few days later his workshop was stolen and burned.
After this, he received many death threats, so he moved to Poland, where he opened another company as a front cover, and continued with his work.
He explains that he is using special (expensive) materials, but at the end, a small generator is rated at some 80-100 Euros/ KW
Cheers
Alvaro

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Re: Antonio Romero: Omega RF5000 and TK AMGPP Orion Power Plant (?)
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2012, 01:32:26 AM »
Hello
I´ve listen the interview and I may write a resume (in english) if any you are interested.
The guy is an engineer resident in Germany for more than 40 years, he used to work with his company specialized in making prototypes for german brands (Audi, Volkswagen).
He offered the invention to spanish industry officials, who went to Germany (to his workshop) and after the demonstration told him that he was not allowed to produce because it would bring difficulties to main industrial companys (oil, electrics etc), he should desist.
He did not, and few days later his workshop was stolen and burned.
After this, he received many death threats, so he moved to Poland, where he opened another company as a front cover, and continued with his work.
He explains that he is using special (expensive) materials, but at the end, a small generator is rated at some 80-100 Euros/ KW
Cheers
Alvaro

Hola Alvaro,

I also listened to the interview, and if I understood correctly he removed copper from the equasion by finding another material that conducts without losses or BEMF?

Did I understand that correctly?

He also claims to have something running in a company in Germany for a year closed loop (no input energy) without problems or maintenance.

I wish I could ask him questions but my Spanish is not fluent enough

Thanks for posting I will need to listen to it several times.

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Re: Antonio Romero: Omega RF5000 and TK AMGPP Orion Power Plant (?)
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2012, 01:34:40 PM »
Hola Alvaro,

I also listened to the interview, and if I understood correctly he removed copper from the equasion by finding another material that conducts without losses or BEMF?

Did I understand that correctly?
My answers in bold
He talks about other materials (alloys) that being able to cut the magnetic flux, should not cause magnetic drag in the stator, he has mentioned titanium, tantalum lead and at the end of interview also niobium, but in the pictures a reddish material appears to be copper, so not clear. What is clear is that he will not display in public all the technical info.

He also claims to have something running in a company in Germany for a year closed loop (no input energy) without problems or maintenance.

Yes, an electric scooter which being running 36000 Km. without recharging, and a generator (no info of KW) which is mounted just for demos to investors, and after dismounted and stored the parts in different locations, for safety.

I wish I could ask him questions but my Spanish is not fluent enoughI could ask him as spanish is my native language, but not idea about how contact him.The location of the factory (seen in the web page) is at CUENCA city, a small city in the center of Spain, with not any important relevance in industry production.What causes my doubts, is the difference between the renderings, and the presentation video, which shows a very poor environement, a kind of garage, and not an industrial warehouse, also the engines show a sort of rotoverter?Not clear at all, and from the interview, much doubts, as his language reflects poor education, not suposed among engenieers.He justifies this because his residence in Germany for 40 years.
May be Steffan will want to investigate a bit in Germany.


Thanks for posting I will need to listen to it several times.
Me too !

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Re: Antonio Romero: Omega RF5000 and TK AMGPP Orion Power Plant (?)
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2012, 07:09:07 PM »
Hola Alvaro, your replies in red for clarity

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I also listened to the interview, and if I understood correctly he removed copper from the equasion by finding another material that conducts without losses or BEMF?

Did I understand that correctly?

He talks about other materials (alloys) that being able to cut the magnetic flux, should not cause magnetic drag in the stator, he has mentioned titanium, tantalum lead and at the end of interview also niobium, but in the pictures a reddish material appears to be copper, so not clear. What is clear is that he will not display in public all the technical info.

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He also claims to have something running in a company in Germany for a year closed loop (no input energy) without problems or maintenance.

Yes, an electric scooter which being running 36000 Km. without recharging, and a generator (no info of KW) which is mounted just for demos to investors, and after dismounted and stored the parts in different locations, for safety.

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I wish I could ask him questions but my Spanish is not fluent enough

I could ask him as spanish is my native language, but not idea about how contact him.The location of the factory (seen in the web page) is at CUENCA city, a small city in the center of Spain, with not any important relevance in industry production.What causes my doubts, is the difference between the renderings, and the presentation video, which shows a very poor environement, a kind of garage, and not an industrial warehouse, also the engines show a sort of rotoverter?Not clear at all, and from the interview, much doubts, as his language reflects poor education, not suposed among engenieers.He justifies this because his residence in Germany for 40 years.

May be Steffan will want to investigate a bit in Germany.


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Thanks for posting I will need to listen to it several times.

Me too !

So, I also found that there is some lawyer (Miguel Ángel Pliego Gallardo) involved who wants to raise 500 Million Euro?
http://omegarf5000.es/memorandum.html

He did an interview too with incredible stories of Romera being in Dubai and tearing up a blank check because he did not want to sell the device just rent it out. Interview here: http://nostromo-a-tierra.blogspot.com.es/2011/12/antonio-romero-y-su-generador.html

Big red flag. And I have learnt from Abeling that either put up or shut up is the best thing.

Pity, it sounded interesting. Still an entertaining story if you like fiction.

If you or anyone that speaks fluent spanish or german is interested, this is his company website and email in there.
http://www.its-sl.de/html/and_clients.html

I´m not holding my breath on this one.  :-\

Thanks again Alvaro

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Re: Antonio Romero: Omega RF5000 and TK AMGPP Orion Power Plant (?)
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2012, 07:19:27 PM »
One more thing, on his website he posts this about the generator:


EVOLUCION
   
En el año 1996 comencé a trabajar en una empresa alemana de prototipos denominada Salzgitter Engineering (Alemania) en la automoción donde tuve la oportunidad de trabajar para empresas como Audi, VW, Porche, Mercedes, Magner, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugati, etc...

Despues con la empresa ITM / I T S Me dediqué a las carrocerías, chasis, etc... además de apoyar a muchas empresas en el desarrollo de sistemas eléctricos, dándome la oportunidad de poder entrar en el mundo de los motores eléctricos.

Nunca estuve de acuerdo con el sistema que se estaba usando, dándome la sensación de construir lo que ya existía desde hace más de 100 años. Ese fue el motivo que me impulsó a estudiar algo distinto en el sistema eléctrico de los coches. Comencé a construir pequeños prototipos de motores eléctricos, pero nunca me satisfacía el montar un motor eléctrico el cual funcionara con baterías y tener que cargar muchas horas para poco recorrido.

Siempre busqué un sistema que con poca carga que tuviera mucho recorrido, el cual me ha conducido a probar un generador eléctrico que produjera la energía necesaria para el motor eléctrico. Con esto empezaron los problemas y, digámoslo así, el motivo de provocar el dicho de que “NO SE PUEDE, NO EXISTE”. Personalmente, para mí todo problema tiene un camino, tiene al menos una solución.

¿Porque no montar un generador que produzca por sí mismo la suficiente energía que el motor necesita? A partir de este momento empecé a estudiar a fondo el motor eléctrico convencional que todos conocemos y el problema número uno era precisamente el motor. Era de bajo voltaje (190V), con una velocidad máxima de 120 kilómetros/hora, donde la bobina del estator se calentaba en exceso por ser corriente de paso y su gasto de corriente era muy elevado (45.000 w/h).

Esto implica que necesitábamos conseguir mucha fuerza (600A). Con 190 V 600 A y 45 KW, como diría un cocinero, es imposible guisar este ligue de especias, lo que se traduce en el problema comentado anteriormente.

Mi primera meta fue conseguir un motor eléctrico de bajo gasto de energía con mucha potencia y revoluciones. Puesto que el estator actual funciona por potencia magnética (campo magnético en el centro del mismo), surgieron problemas como la velocidad de la energía transmitida por los conductores donde necesitamos mucha corriente.

Este problema fue resuelto por completo al hacer trabajar un motor sin conductores, ya que es el cobre es un material que roba mucha energía simplemente para formar un campo magnético.

La solución fue que la corriente del estator no fuera energía de paso sino concentrada en el rotor a 100% aprovechando toda la fuerza eléctrica de dentro del motor. Evidentemente surgieron otros problemas como el amperaje, que no era suficiente.

Puesto que dos pueden más que uno, comencé con el rediseño del rotor para que no dejara la fuerza de empuje solo al estator, sino que la compartieran. Éste fue el siguiente paso y el inicio de la energía autónoma.

El prototipo funcionó perfectamente formando los dos el campo magnético y apoyándose uno al otro, consiguiendo mucha potencia, mucha velocidad y poco gasto de energía. En ese momento nació el actual Generador Autónomo OMEGA RF5000G.

Desarrollamos un sistema de movimiento que permitió eliminar el combustible o la energía primaria para su funcionamiento. Con este último paso conseguimos el perseguido generador autónomo actual.


With Google translate:

EVOLUTION

In 1996 I started working on a German firm Salzgitter Prototype Engineering (Germany) in the automotive industry where I had the opportunity to work for companies like Audi, VW, Porsche, Mercedes, Magner, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti, etc. .. .

After the company ITM / ITS I devoted myself to the body, chassis, etc ... further support for many companies in the development of electrical systems, giving me the opportunity to enter the world of electric motors.

I never agreed with the system that was used, giving me the feeling of building what already existed for over 100 years. That was the reason that prompted me to study something different in the cars electrical system. I started building small prototypes of electric motors, but never satisfied me riding an electric motor which will work with batteries and having to carry long hours for little tour.

Always looked for a lightly loaded system that had much travel, which has led me to try an electric generator to produce energy for the electric motor. With this the problems started, and we say, the reason to cause the saying that "YOU CAN NOT, NO." Personally, for me, every problem has a way, has at least one solution.

Why not mount a generator that produces by itself enough energy that the engine needs? From that moment I began to study thoroughly the conventional electric motor we all know and the number one problem was just the engine. It was a low voltage (190V) with a top speed of 120 km / hour, where stator coil being heated over current spending pace and power was very high (45,000 w / h).

This implies that we needed to get very hard (600A). With 190 V 600 A and 45 kW, as would a cook, this pickup is impossible to cook with spices, resulting in the problem discussed above.

My first goal was to get an electric motor of low energy with great power and speed. Since the stator current works by magnetic power (magnetic field in the center of it), problems arose as the speed of the energy transmitted by drivers where we need much current.

This problem was fully resolved to make an engine work without drivers, since copper is a material that steals a lot of energy just to form a magnetic field.

The solution was that the stator current through energy not only concentrated on the rotor at 100% making use of all electrical power inside the engine. Obviously there were other problems such as amperage, it was not enough.

Since two are more than one, I started with the redesign of the rotor to not leave the driving force only to the stator, but the share. This was the next step and the onset of autonomous power.

The prototype worked perfectly formed both the magnetic field and supporting each other, getting a lot of power, high speed and low energy expenditure. At that moment was born the current generator OMEGA RF5000G Self.

We developed a system that allowed movement or eliminate the primary energy fuel for operation. With this last step we get the current autonomous generator pursued.



http://www.its-sl.de/html/electronica.html

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Re: Antonio Romero: Omega RF5000 and TK AMGPP Orion Power Plant (?)
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2012, 12:39:58 AM »
Just a big SCAM

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Re: Antonio Romero: Omega RF5000 and TK AMGPP Orion Power Plant (?)
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2012, 01:26:25 AM »
Just a big SCAM

I tend to agree unfortunatly.

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THE OEMGA RF5000 ISNT A SCAM BEEN CHECKED-info regarding the aeroplane
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2012, 05:52:26 AM »
I have been some time checking the rf5000 info and I have spoken to someone who is close to Mr.Antonio. They havent said that they have built the aeroplane. What they have told me is that they have been able to reduce the weight of the generator to make it possible to fit into a light aircraft(70kg)and it fits. They confirmed power output being apox 150HP which is enough to do the engine and flight testing which has already begun but not completed until 100% sure of no possible energy/engine failures because once up in the air you have to get back down and the better in one piece!

The other point about the 500mm USD isnt or hasnt got anything to do with them and they also have told the police that there are people requesting for funds for something which isnt for sale and doesnt need investment as they have their own funds for their own R&D programme.

They have also confirmed that they have already built 2 power plants a 500kw and a 1mw plant which are going through final testing. The location hasnt been disclosed but I am sure that they are doing it in Spain due to my contacts who have helped me verify and help me to get access to the right people to clarify this story.

Due to some people stating that they owned the patents and technology he had to prove in a very short time span (days)that he could build a generator and prove to( others) that these impostors where crooks to which he built at home a DIY version which is what we see on the videos on the web. After doing the DIY version he was proven to be telling the truth but as always proven guilty before innocent and then apologies.... but as they have stated too many years of the same kind of people trying to destroy his reputation.

The two other power plants are built and working in a secure building and will only been used once they believe its secure for the technology to be used and protected for external access(Industrial spies). He doesnt get into contact with anyone directly because he is always been followed and his emails are hacked. As they still only want to use this technology to create electricity(energy) for the "Eye of Osiris project" he doesnt believe that he has to give any explanations to anyone.

The reason going to with the Technokontrol people is that they are preparing a global food production project and they need the power plant and they also know that this would make their project more financially viable as they would be able to produce all types of food with no energy running costs and thus making it extremely viable. As the technology will be used to produce food this will keep him out of harms way as he wont be in the oil industries firing line as it will be only used for this project and not for sale.

I cant see anything or understand people when they try to destroy someones credibility without any reason. He regrets having gone onto the radio programme because he didnt know that they were recording it and even less that the so-called lawyer was using him. He has never met the lawyer but on the radio programme it seems that they were together which isnt true and its was a recorded programme and edited which made things even worse because he knows that this hasnt helped him and he has always tried to keep out of everyones way and for once that he did decide to talk but believing it to be between professionals and to inform of the technology progress of the rf5000 to a "media" friend he ends up being called everything under the sun. He has learnt his lesson and will never go public with anything again and just wants to get on with his business. As they stated, "people can do two things, they can believe us or dont, thats upto to them and only them".

I personally believe them as they havent any reason to tell me all of this and they are just sick and tired of all the B.S. I believe that the aeroplane engine will be a great way of proving that this technology works and that it can be applied to many different power plants. They were contacted with regards of using several smaller power plants in a TGV-(High Speed train) train by an international train manufacturer so they must have something which must work.

I hope that this will prove to everyone that we should at least try to hear both sides of the story and just by picking up small parts of the story/info on the web we only tarnish someones reputation without any reason. Again if you want to believe him you can and if you dont no problem either way but they havent asked for anything and that for me at least gives him the benefit of the doubt. Sooner or later he will be able to prove himself and we may never know either way to which would be a shame as most inventors end up selling off their technologies to the big corporations for its "safe keeping" or "destruction" and we the consumer never benefit from these technological advances.

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Re: Antonio Romero: Omega RF5000 and TK AMGPP Orion Power Plant (?)
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2012, 04:57:17 AM »
Posting in Gravity Powered because I think it belongs there from what I saw. (Centrifugal force?)

Don´t ask me how and what he is doing but the claims that are made are something like:

Two (electromagnet) generators who both drive a single iron construction with weights added will give 2800 rpm´s.
Then when a load is placed on the generated output... The rpms stay the same or briefly go higher.
Designer: Antonio Romero (Spain) - not far from me actually.

There is nothing in english about this - you can use Google translate on these pages.

TK Omega RF5000 Generator
http://www.technokontrol.com/en/current-projects/generator.php

TK AMGPP Orion Advanced Magnetic Generator Power Plant
http://www.technokontrol.com/en/products/orion.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ERYReuQIrA

And another movie "proving" the principle: http://www.technokontrol.com/press-media/tk-rf5000-orion.html

Don´t ask me what they are doing exactly.

The claim today is Technokontrol has built the principle into an aircraft which can fly without any fuel.
Delivered, tested and passed. Who knows?

Anyone heard of them? Romero does ring a bell - there are claims of a patent granted 15 years ago.
I also think so.
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Re: Antonio Romero: Omega RF5000 and TK AMGPP Orion Power Plant (?)
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2012, 05:42:31 PM »
Hi
Everything sound quite reasonable (protect the technology, etc) unless by several factors that lead to believe that all this is an scam or at least a "project" to get somebody's money in exchange of bits of smoke and so on.

The factors:

(a) Antonio Romero "patented the technology 17 years ago" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ERYReuQIrA) Nobody has seen the patent.

Romero would not have any negative critizism if working silently to achieve a real OU generator: The problem arises when he publish that he is searching for 500 million euro (me too by the way) - http://www.trinityatierra.com/2012/01/27/el-generador-omega-rf5000-busca-500-millones/- and for this he is showing a wierd assembly of induction motors, a primitive inertia assembly and a hydraulic pump, all connected without explanation.

(b) TechknoKontrol (http://www.technokontrol.com/en/company/index.php) They say (of themselves) that they are a "market leader..." This is bullshit; The company was created in april 2011 - nobody can a market leader in anything in just 12 months; And was "generously" funded with the astonishing amount of ¡¡ 3.000 euros !! Their "headquarters" are based in filthy village lost in the middle of Spain.  (http://orca.tenea.com/sites/default/files/borme/html/2011/TE/TECHNO_KONTROL_EXCO_SL__804738.html)

Their "production plant" is shown in a video on their own web page and is not a modern plant futhermore it looks like at least 1o year old, I would guess, USA plan (just by looking to the FANUC robot models used and the type of machinery)
They have four "subsidiaries"  in Cataluña (T. cat investments, ; T. Cat Research; T Cat Global; T. Cat Innovation and Development.) all created with a minimun amount of capital  (http://empresas.informa.es/Empresa_TECHNOKONTROL-CAT-RESEARCH.html)
Nobody make so many firms the very same day and so poorly funded unless have the intention to "plat and "cheat" with them.

No try to see "their product" in the webpage--they sell what you see in the video, SMOKE





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Re: Antonio Romero: Omega RF5000 and TK AMGPP Orion Power Plant (?)
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2012, 07:14:09 PM »
We also checked them out and they have several plants in different countries and the one in Cuenca is a new one they are going to open now. At least someone is trying to create employment and doing something as Spain needs it more than anyone in Europe, so, I wouldnt be kicking down anyone trying to create one single job in the worst financial country after Greece.

I think you should do a little more due diligence and see who really is behind technokontrol and you will be extremely shocked and their capitalization is one of the largest I have seen, so, again check it out.

I havent seen the Coca-Cola o Pepsi patent so I dont know why anyone, him, you or I should go around proving anyone what he or you may have done or patented. Who are we to ask for a copy of anything? Why dont you or anyone print out their passport copies, home deeds, bank accounts and share it around the world just because someone asks you to do so to prove that you exist?

Again, if you read my post he states very clearly that he isnt asking for anthing from anyone and he has gone to police and taken legal action against these people who are asking for "investment funds". What else can he do? They cant prove anything because we also checked them out and I agree those are bullshitters and dreamers because there isnt 500 euros in Spain even less 500mm.

I am not trying to defend them but at least I spoke to them and they seemed pretty sincere and we even called the radio station and confirmed if he taken legal action againt the so called "fund seekers" and they confirmed it was true and that before he even did the so called "radio interview" they had all of docs checked and verified becuase they didnt want to have any legal mess with having someone claiming stories and they were also happy with their investigations and even had met him. After having more than 30,000 hits on their radio website with regards of the generator they asked him for another interview and they were shocked to hear from him that he didnt know that they had aired it and that he didnt or wouldnt ever speak to any media channel again especailly when he realized that the so called "fund seekers " where using him, thus going to the police.

The way I see it is that if they, you or anyone are trying to do anything positive with regards to creating technology, employment or money good for them, for you or anyone. Why always being so negative about this and that, if they make some money one day great but what are their real chances against the oil industries,patent robbers, etc. Why dont we ask him or any other inventor how many hours during his life he has thought, worked, developed this possible generator or any technology? What is ones life, time, personal investment, risk, family worth? Nothing? 1mm ? What? Why if someone spends they entire lives doing this for whatever reason personal, commercial or just for a hobby worthless? Good for anyone who can make a buck for using their brains and trying their best. Thats why at least from my way of viewing life or maybe becuase of my age I always give a break to anyone. Of course before I can do this I also feel that one should seek out the time to do some due diligence properly.

I have been very fortunate in life and I have seen some great inventions and met some great inventors and I would state that 99% of them deserve a break and that only a coulpe have made real big money but of course when they have its because they have sold it to the "big boys". Small inventors dont get any help and we at least as the public who may benefit from it we should at least be fair.

I believe that he is half german and half spanish and Spain is a great country for inventors and since I hace retired in Spain I can tell you they are bags of talent but the country is run by politicians thus not going anywhere but down hill and during the last year so many young, well educated people have been fired its just incredibe that anyone is even thinking of openning a business in Spain.

Well thats my opinion and I respect yours and I also hope that anyone reading this becomes a little bit more positive because things are going to get much worse then better especially in Spain so lets cross our fingers that all of these inventors do become rich and create many needed jobs for all of our familes and friends because otherwise we are going to lose the best educated and prepared generation ever working a McDonalds in the UAE or Irak.

All the best everyone.

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Re: Antonio Romero: Omega RF5000 and TK AMGPP Orion Power Plant (?)
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2012, 08:54:23 PM »
 Roberts
Thank you for your words, I agree 100%
As Spanish I can see your esteem for my country.
I also have been inquiring, and my conclusions are same as yours.
About the patent, Romero states clearly that he knows very well the procedures, and that in any case he´ll patent anything by parts, and not in a single patent.
Technically, the main concept is a rotor made with a superconductor alloy, submerged in liquid nitrogen, which is quite plausible.

 
As always,the vultures seek for scraps. :(
Regards
Alvaro