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Re: Pendulum shift
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2012, 04:23:54 PM »
Tell the truth Jim.  You had Stefan delete your old account to hide your harassment of myself and your incompetency.  Not to mention all the readers have to do is look up my strings and see I have posted way more than you  here.  You keep complaining about your cancer, that has not killed you and I am not complaining about my disabilities for they have no place here. I guess mine don't count in your world either (does it.) You need to quit using your cancer history as a crutch. Get over it, or you will make your life more miserable.

   You're funny Alan. You believe being agressive is what ? I think going for my 5th surgery in 3 years is a problem. You don't think so.
 I think missing a full year of work over the last 3 years is a problem. You don't.
 You have based your credibility on attacking me. Like this idea I am in the proces of building. Heck, it's posted openly in this forum.
And anyone can read for themself that you asked Scott to delete all my posts.
http://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4656
 Also, I will be rebuilding the 4 weighted wheel, the one in the thread "My Current Build" where you tried telling me what I was allowed to do.
I do not answer to you, why do you think I am a child that must answer to someone who does not have anything to do with me ? As you have always bragged, you are a private builder that refuses to share information as everyone wants your secrets. This is a forum where idea's are meant to be discussed. I think you're justa  con artist hoping to rip soemone off for an easy payday.

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Re: Pendulum shift
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Re: Pendulum shift
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2012, 10:45:19 PM »
Tell the truth Jim.  You had Stefan delete your old account to hide your harassment of myself and your incompetency.  Not to mention all the readers have to do is look up my strings and see I have posted way more than you  here.  You keep complaining about your cancer, that has not killed you and I am not complaining about my disabilities for they have no place here. I guess mine don't count in your world either (does it.) You need to quit using your cancer history as a crutch. Get over it, or you will make your life more miserable.

>> and I am not complaining about my disabilities for they have no place here. <<
 You told me you over came them and could teach me to do the same. You should go to church and get a conscience.

@All,
 This is probably what Alan wants me to build. But considering my medical problems are making it difficult, not sure how he thinks his harassment will make anything go better. It hasn't worked yet.
 He did post once though that you have to be rough with creative people or you never get anything out of them. i guess he doesn't know that it takes time and a lot of hard work to develop idea's and make them into reality.
 Of course, if he really wanted to see it built, he should have been saying I have a good idea and maybe someone who supports Bessler should consider working with me on it. Never happened.
 The basis of the idea is that if a lever exerts 10 in. lbs. of force on a lever 1/4 it's length, then the short lever will exert 2 1/2 lbs. of force on a pump. This simply means the pump would have a maximum pumping capacity of 2 1/2 lbs. of fluid. Basic, very basic hydraulic theory. When ever I have tried to explain this, AB Hammer would do nothing but create problems. It seems he has never wanted to see anyone help me with this.
 The truth is, when i have surgery Friday, I could be off work for as much as 2 months. That won't give me much opportunity to build. And last week, I worked only about 10 hours and this week will be about 45 minutes. But as Alan said, not a problem for him. It is for me.
 Kind of why I don't like him, I like Bessler's work and think he was a very smart person, even by today's standards. And in getting a bessler wheel built, I'd like it to stay about Bessler as he was the inventor, not me. I am fortunate enough to have realized how he accomplished his feat which is quite amazing.
 The simple understanding behind his wheel is that the water creates an over balance. As it causes the wheel to rotate, the weighted levers also rotate. Because of this, the weight on the lever gain force. And as they gain force, they pump the water up to the next pump. This causes the wheel to rotate some more and then the weight on the pumps lever gains force, once again pumping water up to the next pump. And that would be why it is called a perpetual wheel. It would continually seek a balance it can not achieve.
 
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Re: Pendulum shift
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2012, 01:02:16 AM »
  To get a bit more technical, if the pumps open and close 3/8", then the weight on the lever moves 12/8th's (4 x 3/8) or 1.5 inches.
And this is towards center and away from it. It's radial shift would be almost meaningless.
This would change the over all balance of the wheel little if any. But this does take understanding how analysis helps and
without math, this is something that would be missed completely.
 And one last point which is probably insignificant, but if centrifigal force is considered something that could perform work,
then in a rotating wheel pumping fluid/water, how much more work can be done because of inertia ?
 
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 @MoRo, not to drag you into this cesspool, but do you think this might make for a better demonstration of what you have
been trying to get everyone to understand ?

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Re: Pendulum shift
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2012, 04:56:10 AM »
 Jim

 Like I have said many times before over the last few years. Your weights that do the pumping will counter, what you may gain from the fluid flow. Not to mention fluid flow will be somewhat slow. But build on, it is your time just leave me out of it.

PS. I have lost count of how many time I have said leave me out of it. But you keep bringing me up and then go into your Boo Hoo act. Yours or my medical conditions have no place here in the forum.

GET THE POINT !!

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Re: Pendulum shift
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2012, 03:45:22 PM »
Jim

 Like I have said many times before over the last few years. Your weights that do the pumping will counter, what you may gain from the fluid flow. Not to mention fluid flow will be somewhat slow. But build on, it is your time just leave me out of it.

PS. I have lost count of how many time I have said leave me out of it. But you keep bringing me up and then go into your Boo Hoo act. Yours or my medical conditions have no place here in the forum.

GET THE POINT !!

  Alan,
 I didn't figure this out talking about you but ignoring you.
 The weights can't possibly cancel the effect of the over balance caused by fluid. If you can't control something, then all you can do is trash it.
 The weights cancel each other out. If you knew anything of mechanics and did any real builds, you would know that the shift of any weight on a lever is canceled by the oppossing weight on a lever. That's why you don't like me in here. I actually understand this and you don't. And this leaves only the effect of the fluid. I say fluid because everybody except maybe you knows that oil is a lubricant and wouldn't suffer from cohesion or adhesion. Just not possible. I think that's why they call it a lubricant.
 You've always wanted the attention Alan so enjoy it like you did when you kept me from enjoying working on this.

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« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2012, 04:50:19 AM »

  Alan,
 I didn't figure this out talking about you but ignoring you.
 The weights can't possibly cancel the effect of the over balance caused by fluid. If you can't control something, then all you can do is trash it.
 The weights cancel each other out. If you knew anything of mechanics and did any real builds, you would know that the shift of any weight on a lever is canceled by the oppossing weight on a lever. That's why you don't like me in here. I actually understand this and you don't. And this leaves only the effect of the fluid. I say fluid because everybody except maybe you knows that oil is a lubricant and wouldn't suffer from cohesion or adhesion. Just not possible. I think that's why they call it a lubricant.
 You've always wanted the attention Alan so enjoy it like you did when you kept me from enjoying working on this.

 Jim

 Are you really that narrow to believe you are the only one who understands?  LMAO

You saw my first fluid design and it was to use lite oil for lubrication.  So much for your your oil statement.

When I say you counter what you gain. I am talking about the wheel for your weights will have to reset or you are countered, and will not work.
 I know a lot about mechanics and have built approximately 30+  wheels to each of your attempts. That is not even counting the movement test. I have also rebuilt car motors and other machines to do work with. Not to mention I specialize in medieval machinery designs and how they were built.  So you studied lathe work. But can you build one from scratch without other machinist tools?  I can.  ;)

Jim, The big problem is. You think you know everything already. So your mind is closed it seems. So you attack when suggestions are given, and that is why you have been banned from so many forums.  I do know a lot. But "by far" I don't know everything. Not to mention I am always ready to learn. That's why I keep an open mind.

No one can claim they know how it is done, until it is done. Those who build, do know many ways not to do it though.  LOL 


PS I have asked you to stop sending me personal messages. But you sent another one again.  ::)

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Re: Pendulum shift
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2012, 06:18:27 PM »
Jim

 Are you really that narrow to believe you are the only one who understands?  LMAO

You saw my first fluid design and it was to use lite oil for lubrication.  So much for your your oil statement.

When I say you counter what you gain. I am talking about the wheel for your weights will have to reset or you are countered, and will not work.
 I know a lot about mechanics and have built approximately 30+  wheels to each of your attempts. That is not even counting the movement test. I have also rebuilt car motors and other machines to do work with. Not to mention I specialize in medieval machinery designs and how they were built.  So you studied lathe work. But can you build one from scratch without other machinist tools?  I can.  ;)

Jim, The big problem is. You think you know everything already. So your mind is closed it seems. So you attack when suggestions are given, and that is why you have been banned from so many forums.  I do know a lot. But "by far" I don't know everything. Not to mention I am always ready to learn. That's why I keep an open mind.

No one can claim they know how it is done, until it is done. Those who build, do know many ways not to do it though.  LOL 


PS I have asked you to stop sending me personal messages. But you sent another one again.  ::)

  Alan,
 You are ignorant about mechanics. And yes, I am the only one who understands Bessler's wheel and clues. One reason why you are jealous of me. Another reason would be when you did what you could to discredit me along with your friend rlortie is because if I am right about Bessler, it will basically discredit besslerwheel dot com. And everybody there promotes their credibility with the green dots they have showing what they believe is correct.
 The pm I sent you was this last statement. And as for your builds, nobody really knows if you've built anything. Sorry, but only open builds are credible.
 As to your posting, you mostly discredit people's efforts like you are doing me. It seems you promote a belief in perpetual motion while explaining why people's idea's can not work. Of course, to say something won't work is a safe position to take since perpetual motion is considered impossible.
 
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p.s. you can always put me on ignore which I notice you haven't done.
                       
edited to add; one reason why I think Alan and Christo4_99 are the same person is because Christo told me he is not going to let me pigeon hole Bessler into fitting into this forum. Alan couldn't post some of the things Christo did because he pursues credibilty at other people's expense.
 If you get to know Alan, you'll find out he is a religious person and considers himself an expert on the Bible, you know, a theologian.
And unfortunately for him, I do not care to see Bessler's work made into a religious thing of which there is no credible basis for. This would only serve to discredit the work Bessler did do and of which I believe he deserves recognition for. Like they say, if this were such a simple thing, then everyone would be doing it. But it's not. Even Mt. Everest is scaled on a regular basis. It does have a high death rate of about 1 out of every 10 people that try it do lose their lives. Fortunately, this is much, much safer.
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« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2012, 10:01:25 PM »

  Alan,
 You are ignorant about mechanics. And yes, I am the only one who understands Bessler's wheel and clues. One reason why you are jealous of me. Another reason would be when you did what you could to discredit me along with your friend rlortie is because if I am right about Bessler, it will basically discredit besslerwheel dot com. And everybody there promotes their credibility with the green dots they have showing what they believe is correct.
 The pm I sent you was this last statement. And as for your builds, nobody really knows if you've built anything. Sorry, but only open builds are credible.
 As to your posting, you mostly discredit people's efforts like you are doing me. It seems you promote a belief in perpetual motion while explaining why people's idea's can not work. Of course, to say something won't work is a safe position to take since perpetual motion is considered impossible.
 
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p.s. you can always put me on ignore which I notice you haven't done.
                       
edited to add; one reason why I think Alan and Christo4_99 are the same person is because Christo told me he is not going to let me pigeon hole Bessler into fitting into this forum. Alan couldn't post some of the things Christo did because he pursues credibilty at other people's expense.
 If you get to know Alan, you'll find out he is a religious person and considers himself an expert on the Bible, you know, a theologian.
And unfortunately for him, I do not care to see Bessler's work made into a religious thing of which there is no credible basis for. This would only serve to discredit the work Bessler did do and of which I believe he deserves recognition for. Like they say, if this were such a simple thing, then everyone would be doing it. But it's not. Even Mt. Everest is scaled on a regular basis. It does have a high death rate of about 1 out of every 10 people that try it do lose their lives. Fortunately, this is much, much safer.

So Jim !! You admit that you are delusional by your rant of miss direction again. But you claim you are the only one who knows anything about Bessler as you said  (highlighted in red).  You also need to check Christo4_99 IP address, for it is not even near me. So tell us another lie. It seem to be all you can do.

BTW- Ignore list is funny. So you can slander me without me knowing.  LMAO

It is simple Jim. Don't talk about me or to me and I will not have to answer.  GET A CLUE DUDE!! ::)

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« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2012, 12:21:50 AM »
So Jim !! You admit that you are delusional by your rant of miss direction again. But you claim you are the only one who knows anything about Bessler as you said  (highlighted in red).  You also need to check Christo4_99 IP address, for it is not even near me. So tell us another lie. It seem to be all you can do.

BTW- Ignore list is funny. So you can slander me without me knowing.  LMAO

It is simple Jim. Don't talk about me or to me and I will not have to answer.  GET A CLUE DUDE!! ::)

  Alan,
 I have never tried to slander you, but I am allowed my opinion. As you say, you consider my schooling in engineering to mean nothing, nor my experience working with turbines and generators. I am quite familiar with converting different forms of energy.
 You most likely are not familiar with how the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics apllies to this, it doesn't. You probably have no clue what latent heat is as well as conduction, convection and radiation, the 3 ways heat energy is transferred. Latent heat is just that, heat energy that has yet to dissipate and it's effected medium to have returned to a normal state which most likely would be room temperature. If you could understand these simple forms of energy transfer and how they apply to arguments against overunity, then you would know the limits of the quest. Your refusal to learn is up to you.
 Just wish I had the means to find out if you are Chris or not. he posted like he knew me. But you did tell me you wished to be famous, why you always inserted yourself into any discussion I was having with other people. I have tried to be nice, but since you refuse to accept that I understand this better than you doesn't leave much room for me except to go through you. I have no problem with that.
 If you like, when all is said and done, I can see if the thread you started in besslerwheel dot com is slander. You claim I am the world's bigfgest fraud because of, among other things, my medical issues. Also, you requesting Scott to ban me and delete my posts while you post in here that I can not be trusted because Stefan was nice and deleted a previous account because of your continued harrassment towards me.
 Of course, you did post that I was a psychopath because of the way I used math to understand engineering and did post a link trying to prove your point.
 And as you have mentioned to me, Stefan does have my previous account backed up on his server. Shall I ask him to restore it so people can see what I have tolerated from you while pursuing an understanding of how Bessler accomplished his feat ? I am sure I can get a court order if you like. But I doubt that would shut you up as you refuse to consider that you are in over your head. just imagine if your wife found out that you created an account claiming to be her to try to win support for yourself and how people think of you. Sad, very sad. And I doubt a married woman would ever say she has a marriage contract with her husband so everybody else has to be nice to him. Get a clue Alan, you are not that clever. Everybody else is just that nice in tolerating your attempts at manipulating everybody.
 
 
 

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« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2012, 11:47:33 AM »
It looks like you guys can perfectly "shift the pendulum" between both of you...  ;D
But, what can I say... the whole life is about shifting the pendulum.

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« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2012, 04:50:51 PM »
It looks like you guys can perfectly "shift the pendulum" between both of you...  ;D
But, what can I say... the whole life is about shifting the pendulum.

Pendulum Shifter

  Raphael,
 Wouldn't necessarily say creating energy by shifting but with the methane being produced  :o
If all goes well in the morning, am hoping to miss only 2 weeks of work. Also sold some stock.
It does take money to build as well as being in good health.
 
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« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2012, 05:28:24 PM »
Wish your surgery goes well.. and as you stated somewhere.. health is more important than perpetuum mobile.
Good luck Jim !

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« Reply #42 on: May 18, 2012, 01:06:11 AM »
Wish your surgery goes well.. and as you stated somewhere.. health is more important than perpetuum mobile.
Good luck Jim !

  Thanks Raphael.
Hopefully it won't be much longer before i can get going on the build. I will try an explanation of how free energy is obtained.
With a perpetual wheel, a constant imbalance can be shown by using solid weights. This avenue has been a difficult one.
 With a liquid, the wheel would rotate around it. Instead of the liquid falling, the wheel would rotate. This would happen because as the weights on the lever fall, the opposing force / motion would be the liquid. One weight falls and the other is lifted, opposing behaviors.
 What helped me to think of this is when I took the time to consider Mt 20. If the weights on the short levers rotated in the opposite direction, counter clockwise, then if something were to create resistence, the weights would have something to push off from. This would mean that as the weights on the long levers fall, they could make the short levers push against something that doesn't rotate with the wheel.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index.php?title=MT_1-20#MT_020

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« Reply #43 on: May 18, 2012, 11:15:26 PM »
It looks like you guys can perfectly "shift the pendulum" between both of you...  ;D
But, what can I say... the whole life is about shifting the pendulum.

Pendulum Shifter

LOL it does seem so. But this problems started over 4 years ago. He tends to get real defencive if anyone disagrees with him. So he tends to attack and it has cost him several forums he was banned at. I have never been banned. I will just leave it at that.

Positive points of Jim, that he now post as johnny847 are. He is good with math and he has had some good training with machines. It is a shame he has health problems but I wish good heath for him.

When Jim finishes his wheel? and I hope he does. He may understand what I have said for the past couple of years, that he has worked on this.  The pumping of the fluid up the descending side is a fair idea but to get it to pump without counter balincing what you gained in the wheel is the problem.  One day I hope he understand that I have only given him good advice, and am not interested in him except to leave my name out of his postings. We have had to much bad blood and I want it to end.

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« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2012, 03:27:21 PM »
LOL it does seem so. But this problems started over 4 years ago. He tends to get real defencive if anyone disagrees with him. So he tends to attack and it has cost him several forums he was banned at. I have never been banned. I will just leave it at that.

Positive points of Jim, that he now post as johnny847 are. He is good with math and he has had some good training with machines. It is a shame he has health problems but I wish good heath for him.

When Jim finishes his wheel? and I hope he does. He may understand what I have said for the past couple of years, that he has worked on this.  The pumping of the fluid up the descending side is a fair idea but to get it to pump without counter balincing what you gained in the wheel is the problem.  One day I hope he understand that I have only given him good advice, and am not interested in him except to leave my name out of his postings. We have had to much bad blood and I want it to end.

  Alan,
   We  Why we don't get along.
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>>  NO! NO! NO! Jim

 I want you to build your wheels. For only then, will you see I was only trying to save you some time and money. But since you don't believe my opinion you have no choice but to build. Also once I finish building my running wheel I will even help you out with the expenses.  <<

 http://www.overunity.com/7150/sjack-abeling-gravity-wheel-and-the-worlds-first-weight-power-plant/2280/
 
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edited to add;  Raphael, this is something people in this forum have over looked. It is necessary to test idea's so a person can learn from them.
I started this build just before I was diagnosed with cancer. It has lead me to what I am currently building. It would be easy enough for me to say that they don't believe Bessler built a wheel, so why try ? Alan's friend rlortie did post that very question in besslerwheel dot com, why try when it has been 300 years. It seems more often than not that people in here base their credibility on criticizing other people's efforts.
 By the way, for anyone wanting to see a strange discussion, AB Hammer and Bessler007 took over the thread and did nothing but name calling for most of the thread.
 Am I glad I have continued with this ? yes I am.  One thing it does show is I did not let my medical condition prevent me from making good use of my time.
 So, if Alan wants to say I am not credible because I have always shown my work, that is okay as I served in the U.S. Military to protect his right to his freedom of speech  but at no time am I required to listen to him.  :o 
 
 edited to add; Raphael, this is what AB Hammer thinks of my health problems
>>  It seems his whole life is nothing but lies and disruptions.

It is hard to fathom someone doing this, unless someone was paying him to disrupt gravity wheel type forums, or he may be mentally ill.  <<
 I didn't know getting hit by a van going 50 mph and then getting cancer made me a fraud.
http://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4656
 
 And the front page banner >> 
 Welcome to OverUnity.com The International Open Source Free Energy Research Forum  <<It does say open source. It's funny being called a fraud by someone who refuses to show their work. And according to Stefan, I can pursue research in his forum. Not sure why AB Hammer has a problem with this.
 
 And one thing I think does show AB Hammer's true self is he would hold my hearing loss against me which the V.A. considers moderate to severe. One of the reasons why I have had the time to take courses (wanted to go to college so would have made the time anyway) and to study math. And by being successful with what I am working on, then people who haven't had to tolerate discrimination because they are not a disabled vet won't be able to cause me any more problems. It gets old after a while.
 
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