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Offline christo4_99

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Re: Bessler's Brilliant Device
« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2012, 06:00:31 PM »
The truth is , like all art , like Bessler himself said , the reward of an unbidden accomplishment is claimed willy nilly . Nobody walked up to Bessler one day and said , " I will pay you $____  if you can devise a perpetual motion machine . " He took it upon himself . And since it was his special property he had a right to put a price on it . The truth is again that the world did not value it enough . Bessler put a lot of effort into marketing it . Lets not blame the inventor ... he's the one that did all the work . It would be nice if things of value always came into the hands of people who ,  being wealthy , have no need for monetary gain . Bessler was a successful  " Perpetual Mobilist " in that he attained his goal , it's the rest of the world that did not hold up it's end of the bargain .

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Re: Bessler's Brilliant Device
« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2012, 10:39:25 PM »
Hi folks, hi johnny, thanks for positive reply.
Hi christo,
My view is, is that if the intention of an inventor is to spread an invention and how it functions to all of humanity, then there will be no price tag of any kind applied.
It is what it is, a baby isn't going to eat, if the parents put a price tag on the baby food, babies are not enslaved yet at that age, so have no funny money.
And the above applies down the whole list of vested interest groups of humans.
Also, It is far more likely that the world or bessler is not to blame, though more likely vested interests of the few were the obstruction, even in his time period.
Most likely, these vested few already had advanced technological knowledge from previous advanced civilizations and possibly other sources and things like the bessler wheel did not fit into there future plans that we see in the world today.
I only mention my perspective when i see words like you posted, because i know it is not a lack of inventions and it is not the worlds fault or the inventors, it is this small group or groups that need to be dis-empowered to never again be able to have any influence over the lives of living beings.
peace love light
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Re: Bessler's Brilliant Device
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2012, 10:45:34 PM »
The truth is , like all art , like Bessler himself said , the reward of an unbidden accomplishment is claimed willy nilly . Nobody walked up to Bessler one day and said , " I will pay you $____  if you can devise a perpetual motion machine . " He took it upon himself . And since it was his special property he had a right to put a price on it . The truth is again that the world did not value it enough . Bessler put a lot of effort into marketing it . Lets not blame the inventor ... he's the one that did all the work . It would be nice if things of value always came into the hands of people who ,  being wealthy , have no need for monetary gain . Bessler was a successful  " Perpetual Mobilist " in that he attained his goal , it's the rest of the world that did not hold up it's end of the bargain .

  The cold hard reality is that being able to navigate the seas is worth considerably more. Trade is worth a lot of money.
 As some say, he thought his invention was wroth as much as something proven to have value. After all, cartography is not a willy nilly subject where one demands good money for something that is not proven.
 It does sound strange though to hear of a man who was owed much money for doing something when he had no agreement with anyone to pay him. And also he is supposed to be quite religious. A relgious man who is also greedy ? What does the bible say about such things ? I doubt it would support him. What was it Jesus (Cristo) said ? What does it benefit a man to gain the world only to lose his soul ?
 Might not have been Jesus, but a quick seacr found this. Please tell me where it is wrong sir.
Matthew 16:26
For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?

 
 If Bessler was the guy who quoted the Bible over 100 times, I'm not to sure if it was him asking for the money. It might be that he might have felt greed would dimish his dicovery.  But to someone else, such as another person, they might have thought that if they could get him to pursue a large amount of money, then they could ask for some for their part in it (seeing the monetary value of it). And I think that is closer to the reality of it. That people who have not taken the time and effort to do the work themselves do not value the work for the accomplishmnet it truly was and is.

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Offline christo4_99

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Re: Bessler's Brilliant Device
« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2012, 01:33:25 AM »
Bessler was an inventor first and a teacher second  .  I can see that you have not learned anything from him  .  Greed implies an excessive love of money or love of excess money or money for the sake of money . It is not greed when a man does the impossible , wraps it all up in a neat tidy package and slaps a price tag on it . Rather  , it's simply recompense .  " Mean , nasty , greedy Bessler wouldn't tell us how his machine worked "... that's what you all sound like and it's silly because the only way to solve it is to do the brain work necessary , take it as a challenge and either fail ( like most ) or succeed like very , very few (one?)... but stop crying like bitches and judging people . It's basically just a difference of opinion in which I am using empathy for my compass and you all are using ideals . Ideally , yes , it would have been nice if Bessler had made us all privy to his invention but then we'd have nothing to argue about or look forward to . On the other hand in the real world hobbies , interests , obsessions if you will cost a lot of money and up until Bessler solved the problem he had wasted a lot of time and money on searching for it . Get real .

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Re: Bessler's Brilliant Device
« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2012, 04:32:07 AM »
considering I am building and you are not, makes me wonder what you aqe on about.
Am going for my 5th surgery and found out tonight that my dad died last Nmvember. He is the idiot who this probably
meant the mnst to  give me the life he never had
one he could enjoy. 
hdd probably knew this was something I could do. so do me a favor, quit sounding like ab hammer.
show some work and discuss it.

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Offline christo4_99

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Re: Bessler's Brilliant Device
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2012, 06:59:39 AM »
I don't exactly need anyone's input on my design ... there is nothing to discuss . 

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Re: Bessler's Brilliant Device
« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2012, 07:10:10 AM »
Hi christo, all i am saying is that it is what it is, if one wants to label it judging or ideals, when all I am doing is making observations about the results of choices due to ways of thinking, in which case money itself is an ideal and obviously not very ideal if it impedes the free sharing of knowledge and inventions.
I never said bessler was greedy and i have no idea what he thought or believed, i only responded to your comment about getting paid for knowledge, instead of sharing it freely.
If people cannot yet see that sharing freely is the only way to true freedom, then much has yet to be learned.
Making all the excuses in the world for this behavior that humans and groups display, will not change that observation.
Empathy is not part of the process of observation, as it will skew ones perception of what is true about an observation.
Neutral observation is the key to seeing something from greater perspectives, thus allowing greater knowledge and compassion for any issue or situation.
Good luck and peace love light
tyson

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Offline christo4_99

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Re: Bessler's Brilliant Device
« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2012, 07:42:54 AM »
There is another member responding in the thread . I hear ya . But I have taken this thing very seriously and it looks like it's about to bare fruit . I am beginning to think I could build a device superior maybe even to what Bessler did . I assume you have a job and this site and this type of thing is a hobby for you . It's not for me, so I am a little more motivated you see . I have been all through the ringer with this thing . Actually i could use some help with it as far as getting a prototype built but nobody out here in the real world has much interest . When I did reach out as a serious contender to someone , I felt like I was having obstacles placed in my path because of an " unorthodox " concept . A simpler maybe "classical " OB wheel this is not . I believe it's the real thing . So please forgive me for not plastering it all over the internet .

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Re: Bessler's Brilliant Device
« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2012, 03:39:23 PM »
I don't exactly need anyone's input on my design ... there is nothing to discuss .

  Yet you put a price tag on something when you are not the buyer. Interesting concept.
Expect to be paid what you think something is worth. The last time I checked there is no market for over unity devices.
 Simple reality. And as to you having nothing to discuss, you sure post a lot for having nothing to say.  :o

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Re: Bessler's Brilliant Device
« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2012, 11:58:02 PM »

   The last time I checked there is no market for over unity devices.

I have bought over unity devices from people selling them  .
I might buy one .
If it works .

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Re: Bessler's Brilliant Device
« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2012, 06:28:11 AM »
If there is only one the seller sets the price . If he doesn't sell it , like Bessler , you'll have to do a hell of a lot of work to dig it up if you want it ( thanks to Bessler also ). I dug it up and now it's mine .  :-X

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Re: Bessler's Brilliant Device
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2012, 10:43:34 AM »
I've been away from Overunity too long.  :(

 

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