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Author Topic: electrolysys with horizontal plates  (Read 50291 times)

Offline Walter Hofmann

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electrolysys with horizontal plates
« on: July 02, 2006, 09:56:31 PM »
Hi all,
i was wondering if somebody has experiemnted with horizontal plates. At my exepriements with vertical plates I watched that the bubbles seem to be only coming from the edges never from inside a plate and I was wondering how horizontal plates would provide. I made two pieces of  SS screen like a Z one part about 1 inch bigger as the next one with a smaler contact strip of 1 inch lenght then bend it like a Z feed it in to each other with a 1/16 inch distance and the next about 1 inch distance what means it is like a seriel of 2 cells. with a 12 V batterie it pulls around 12 A and it seems as the whole screen gives up now bubbles what I never have seen in the vertical plates. by a conductivity of 3.73mS/cm It inflates a ballon or a pressure of 1psi within 5 seconde where with the vertical plates it takes min 25 to 40 seconds to get the same this is about 5 to 8 times shorter with the horizontal . the next is comparisson of the used area the vertical plate version uses 36 sq inches each plate and the horizontal evrsion has only 13 sq inches what is only about 33%. If I compare now both versions then I have to say that the horizontal version gives about three to five times more output then the vertical plates. If I watch both cells then the vertical plates bubble like champagner and the horizontal plates looks like a thick mist.
Maybe this is something for other to try.
greetings
walt

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Re: electrolysys with horizontal plates
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2006, 10:42:55 PM »
Any chance of a photo as this might be worth experimenting on. I have looked at using a horizontal stainless steel mesh..but never got around to it . Might do so Now.
Also are you plusing the current or is it direct draw of the battery.
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Re: electrolysys with horizontal plates
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2006, 01:13:32 AM »
Walter,

do your vertical plates draw as much power as the horizontal plates?

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Re: electrolysys with horizontal plates
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2006, 04:30:39 AM »
Bravo on the mesh! Bubbles tend to stick to solid plates due to surface tension. The reason edges and meshes work great is because there is nothing for the bubbles to stick to, so they float away and let the next bubble be made! With your horizontal method you have more vertical surface area exposed which allows for more volume...

Offline Walter Hofmann

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Re: electrolysys with horizontal plates
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2006, 10:56:35 AM »
Walter,

do your vertical plates draw as much power as the horizontal plates?

they actually draw more instead of 10A vertical they draw around 12 to 15 A and stay cooler.
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walt

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Offline Walter Hofmann

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Re: electrolysys with horizontal plates
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2006, 11:15:15 AM »
Any chance of a photo as this might be worth experimenting on. I have looked at using a horizontal stainless steel mesh..but never got around to it . Might do so Now.
Also are you plusing the current or is it direct draw of the battery.
Kind Regards
Mark
hi mark,
yes as soon as I have put it back to action I will make some picture. What I did find with mesh in vertical was that the bubbles was only coming from the edge ends never from the middle and as they try to rise they seem to be catched back to the center. Esspecially with solid plate versions you can see that the most come from the bottom edges never out of the middle.my intend actually was to give the bubbles a free way to rise, but instead surprisingly I expierenced that the wole mesh grid releases bubbles now which looks like a realy thick mist. The two cell plates are on top of each other and in series and the top two plates are a bit smaler then the previous what means it looks like a little pyramid from the side, what would give the bubbles a free way if they only come from the edges ,to rise. The top plate ( negative) from the bottom cell is directly connected to the bottom plate of the top cell, with a distance of around 1 inch what makes the two cells in series. I will try to make a new cell with ether three or maby four such assambles to see if the output gets higher.
No I am not so far to pulse the current, need to put the elctronic together.
greetings
walt

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Re: electrolysys with horizontal plates
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2006, 11:51:57 AM »
Hi Walter !

I recently made movie with 25 ss plates 4.5V and drawn 33Amps, vertical assembly.
(Harti said he will compress movie and post it but suppose he didn't had time).
Allso noticed that looks like bubbles are formed only at the top of the vertical cell.

What are the numbers voltage and amperes with mesh type and reacting surface ?
From the description I did not quite understand how was horizontal assembly made ?

I made two of such cells, found and made a box, and for now preparing for instalation
in my car as hydrogen-oxygen boost.

Igor Knitel

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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: electrolysys with horizontal plates
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2006, 11:59:47 AM »
Hi Igor,
yes, sorry, I am a bit in a hurry.
Have the video still at home on my harddisk.
Am not currently at home.
Will do this still this week.
Stay tuned.
Thanks.
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Offline Walter Hofmann

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Re: electrolysys with horizontal plates
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2006, 12:26:41 PM »
Hi Walter !

I recently made movie with 25 ss plates 4.5V and drawn 33Amps, vertical assembly.
(Harti said he will compress movie and post it but suppose he didn't had time).
Allso noticed that looks like bubbles are formed only at the top of the vertical cell.

What are the numbers voltage and amperes with mesh type and reacting surface ?
From the description I did not quite understand how was horizontal assembly made ?

I made two of such cells, found and made a box, and for now preparing for instalation
in my car as hydrogen-oxygen boost.

Igor Knitel

Hi Igor,
I use 12V auto batterie and like I posted it draws around 12 to 13 Amp. the mesh type is 316L 008X008 S0320, what is 8X8 mesh per inches and 0.032 Inch diameter, the total reacting surface of both cells is 13 sq inches, 3x3 inches at the bottom and 2x2 inches the top. My observation was that the bubbles actually forme at the bottom and side edge and then rising to the top where some of it will be catched from the center of the plates what means only about 1/3 finally make it to the top.
the assembly is pretty easy I cut the 3x3 inch left a strip of about 1 inch longer on one side and only 1 inch on the other where the 2x2 inch follos the other was cut pretty much the same way just instead the long strip on the 3x3 it is on the 2x2. then I bend the 1 inch long strip that the center from the 2x2 is about the same location as the 3x3 then the longstrips are bend up. the 3x3 with the long strip ( positive) are at the bottom then the other is the top from the bottom cell and the bottom from the top cell and the 2x2 with the long strip is the top and gos to the negative. the both cells individually are screwed together with a nylon screw in a distance of about 1/16 and the distance to the top cell is about 1 inch.
I will post a picture there is better to see how it is aasembled.
greetings
walt

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Re: electrolysys with horizontal plates
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Offline Walter Hofmann

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Re: electrolysys with horizontal plates
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2006, 10:23:44 PM »
hi all,
I need to correct my setup description, the plates are not in series I made a mistake it is just that the top plate from the bottom cell is connected to the bottom plate of the top cell but they are actually like paralell, I guess, not sure about this.
The biggest probleme is how to measure the gas output, if somebody can help I would be thankfull.
greetings
walt

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Re: electrolysys with horizontal plates
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2006, 01:38:31 PM »
Hi Walter,
try to use a small 0.2 Liter plastic coka-cola bottle turned around and filled
with water and measure the time it takes to fill it with oxyhydrogen gas.
Let the gas bubble in there via a hose under water and
see how fast the bottle will be full of gas.
Like this movie:

http://grmhosting.com/img/galleries/videos/hproduction.mpg

But be more cautious than this guy !
He is holding a gas bomb in his hand !
If this would have exploded, he would have probably
lost his hands !
Use only a very small  PLASTIC bottle, not more than 0.2 Liter
or less and don?t stand near it, when you do the experiment !

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Re: electrolysys with horizontal plates
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2006, 01:41:17 PM »
P.S: It would be better, if you "suck" the gas out of the electrolizer
with a small pump, so you will get much more gas out of it in faster time
as the electrolysis is much dependend from gas pressure and
a low atmospherical pressure is good to get more gas out !

Offline Walter Hofmann

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Re: electrolysys with horizontal plates
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2006, 11:34:39 PM »
Hi Walter,
try to use a small 0.2 Liter plastic coka-cola bottle turned around and filled
with water and measure the time it takes to fill it with oxyhydrogen gas.
Let the gas bubble in there via a hose under water and
see how fast the bottle will be full of gas.
Like this movie:

http://grmhosting.com/img/galleries/videos/hproduction.mpg

But be more cautious than this guy !
He is holding a gas bomb in his hand !
If this would have exploded, he would have probably
lost his hands !
Use only a very small  PLASTIC bottle, not more than 0.2 Liter
or less and don?t stand near it, when you do the experiment !
hallo stefan,
thanks for the tip I will try it.
Here is a picture of the horizontal plates how it is build. with the next post I send a realtime video from the cell, I hope I can do this.
greetings
walt

Offline Walter Hofmann

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Re: electrolysys with horizontal plates
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2006, 11:52:39 PM »
P.S: It would be better, if you "suck" the gas out of the electrolizer
with a small pump, so you will get much more gas out of it in faster time
as the electrolysis is much dependend from gas pressure and
a low atmospherical pressure is good to get more gas out !
hallo stefan,
here is the video from the cell, but the audio has the terrible noise from my A/C system on it and I can not get it off, maybe you can do it or everybody should turn off the audio. this is in real time from start. pretty close to the end there could be seen that the cell still generates gas untill the voltage goes below 1.3V, this was verry interesting to me. The voltage on this setup is straight 12V DC and the current is around 10 A.
greetings
walt
I can not get it done it allways brings a timeout message, I will send it direct to you stefan.

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Re: electrolysys with horizontal plates
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2006, 12:24:06 AM »
Try using a hexagonal shape mesh construction. Most of all insects use this for construction and lift in fact a multitude of applications. It seems that it is a major design in most of creation.

Interesting that Nano technology has picked up on it.

 

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