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Title: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: powercat on April 07, 2012, 07:09:02 PM
This idea has been around for a while on this forum and as solar panels are a genuine free energy device,I thought I would give it a go and see if I can make them self-run  ;D
 
All my equipment has arrived now, I have four solar panels which I will put together to make a box,I will then put one of the Xenon lights In the middle and see if I can make it self sustain.
 
If anyone would like to work out the mathematical theory based on my equipment it would be appreciated, and interesting to know when I'd do the test in a few days' time, as long as I get the time.
I will be using the small battery which is in very poor condition and could normally only Run the light for a few minutes at best , It is the nearest thing I have to a capacitor battery,
Yes I hate batteries in these types of experiment but if all goes well I will use capacitors later
The big battery will be used to jumpstart the system.
Okay here are some pictures of my equipment and related information

Edit.
Sorry everyone I'm having difficulty getting the pictures that everyone can see,
Something has changed I never had this problem before.
 
Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: powercat on April 07, 2012, 07:11:36 PM
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Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: powercat on April 07, 2012, 07:14:46 PM
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Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: powercat on April 07, 2012, 07:17:51 PM
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Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: powercat on April 09, 2012, 10:08:57 AM
Okay going to try again loading some pictures
Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: powercat on April 09, 2012, 10:12:43 AM
Thanks Stefan its working great now
Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: powercat on April 09, 2012, 10:19:07 AM
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Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: ibpointless2 on April 09, 2012, 03:47:57 PM
Hi I'm glad you started this thread. I've been working on the same idea since 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnC9YTXXAjs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnC9YTXXAjs)


This is a hard thing to do since the solar panels are only 20% efficient at the most. Since then i moved to using smaller light that need less power. I use a LED flash light that runs on a AAA battery and I put that on top of a 5 watt solar panel. The most I ever got from doing this was 8 volts at 45uA, but thats not enough to charge the AAA battery that powers the LED light. I have found ways to make the solar panel more efficient, you can add water to the top of the panel and it will increase the panel's output. I also Heard that the solar panel respond more to the infrared spectrum so maybe a red LED will work better? I'm thinking that making my own Solar panel will be better to use.


How much power does your light consume?
Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: powercat on April 09, 2012, 06:53:46 PM
Hi ibointless2,
One of my lights consumes 35 W, I am aware of solar panel effectiveness I am hoping by using big ones I can generate more power, most people only use small ones like in this new video from Lidmotor  ;D Solar cell working off  GLOW STICK light
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iVL2MxR25o&list=UU9jbwyyAum79LXTNCgHeuFg&index=1&feature=plcp
I will not be surprised if I can make my setup self-run But in time with new technology on solar panels and more efficient lighting this must be possible.
Didn't get much time today in the workshop but did manage to assemble the solar light box,I have put Aluminum foil in the top and bottom to reflect the light better, Hopefully well get more time later in the week.
Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: conradelektro on April 09, 2012, 08:26:58 PM
In this type of experiment one should try to concentrate all the light from the light source (bulb, LED) onto the solar cell.

In the attached drawing I try to depict this idea of "light concentration".

The light cone emitted from many LEDs spreads at about 15°. The light is then re-concentrated onto a small solar cell by help of a lens.

Of course, the LED has only a limited efficiency (converting electricity to light), the lens is not completely transparent and then the solar cell has a limited efficiency of at most 20%. The losses are great, but one can always try.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: powercat on April 09, 2012, 09:04:43 PM
HI Conrad,
I had the same problem as you,Stefan did fix it this morning as you can see from the pictures I managed to post but now it seems to have gone wrong again, Hopefully Stefan can fix it again.

I don't know if lenses are going to work in my setup as I am surrounding the light with 4 big solar panels, I think the problem with LED's Is the amount of light they give off and most people seemed to struggle getting them to full intensity, anyway I look forward To seeing you're drawing when the site is working properly.
Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: powercat on April 09, 2012, 09:07:05 PM
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Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: powercat on April 09, 2012, 09:08:55 PM
Sorry for the double post at least it looks like we can upload pictures now thanks Stefan much appreciated
Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: ibpointless2 on April 09, 2012, 09:23:28 PM
Sorry for the double post at least it looks like we can upload pictures now thanks Stefan much appreciated


Wow! Very nice work!  :)


I like the light boxes. My experiments are a little bit more crude. I use my bath room since it has no lights source in it such as windows to do my testing in. I want to build a box for my 5 watt panels but don't have the time. I don't know if you put something reflective behind the panels? Some panels allow light to travel through them and some of the light is wasted that way so putting something reflective behind the panel might help to bonce some of the light back.
Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: conradelektro on April 09, 2012, 09:28:08 PM
@powercat

Attached see a drawing of a modification of my idea, getting rid of the lens.

Your set up looks interesting, I am looking forward to hear your results. An experiment is much better than any theoretical calculation. In theory it should not work, but we will see.

The solar panels will be useful anyway.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: powercat on April 09, 2012, 10:16:19 PM
@Conrad
In theory if you have a enough light produced with a little power it would work the solar panel has no cost to make it produce power it is a free energy device as long as there is light.
even a small amount will produce something.

If light is travelling in all directions then it should be possible to have the most surface area to capture light on a solar panel, ideally if you have a sphere with a light in the middle  ;D
Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: powercat on April 09, 2012, 10:26:29 PM

Wow! Very nice work!  :)


I like the light boxes. My experiments are a little bit more crude. I use my bath room since it has no lights source in it such as windows to do my testing in. I want to build a box for my 5 watt panels but don't have the time. I don't know if you put something reflective behind the panels? Some panels allow light to travel through them and some of the light is wasted that way so putting something reflective behind the panel might help to bonce some of the light back.

Getting time to do this stuff is always difficult as my workshop is not where I'm living and I have other projects that need my attention
Yes light does travel through my panels a little bit so maybe I will put some more aluminium foil over them if I think I'm getting close,
I have put foil at the top and bottom of my box Hmmm maybe find some solar panels that fit in the top and bottom to maximize everything possible but the cost is an issue as I got these panels for my roof, there are some amazing deals around on big solar panels at the moment.
Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: powercat on April 15, 2012, 01:38:52 PM
I won't be winning the OU prize with this setup, There was a moment there for about 10 minutes when the battery voltage didn't dropped which got me excited.

I tried different combinations with the panel's in parallel and in series with the best results wear with two panels in series and then connected together with the other two panels in parallel this manage to get the charging light on the controller to come on.

The efficiency  of the panel's and the light is of course the main reason I failed but I will be keeping my eyes out for new solar and light technology that can be bought off the shelf and then I will have another go.

Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: powercat on April 15, 2012, 01:44:55 PM
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Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: Magnethos on April 15, 2012, 09:55:40 PM
I also have been working in a similar idea.
I known a way to light a bulb using reactive power. Since reactive power is wattless, any output will be over 100%.
Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: ibpointless2 on April 15, 2012, 10:16:58 PM
I also have been working in a similar idea.
I known a way to light a bulb using reactive power. Since reactive power is wattless, any output will be over 100%.


Are you talking about the thing in AC with capacitors and inductors? Do you have more info on how you're trying to do this?




@ all


I got my solar box made too. Its a cardboard box that has a 5 watt panel inside of it. I use a flashlight that runs off a one AA battery or I can use one LED that pokes from the top of the box. I filled the box insides with aluminum foil to and got a increase in power.


There is no doubt what we're doing is impossible, but they said the same thing when man wanted to fly. One or two things need to change if you want this to work. You either need to make the solar panel more efficient or make the LED more efficient. So far I know you can cover the box with aluminum foil to get more power to the LED. I also found that putting magnifying glass on top of the panel will give you more light, its as if the magnifying glass amplifies the light.
Title: Re: 24-7 Xenon light Self running solar panel test
Post by: Magnethos on April 15, 2012, 10:57:42 PM

Are you talking about the thing in AC with capacitors and inductors? Do you have more info on how you're trying to do this?
Yes, using pulsed Alternating Current, capacitors and inductors.
I'm building it and it will take time for finishing it since some other people are helping me and I'm ordering the components in ebay.