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### Author Topic: How To Build A Bessler Type Wheel  (Read 59954 times)

#### johnny874

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##### Re: How To Build A Bessler Type Wheel
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2012, 06:50:24 PM »
@All,
I found an online converter
The wheel I am building rotating at 60 rpm could produce 25 watts of
power having 2 lbs. (.9kg) of over balance.
With a larger wheel have 22 lbs. (10kg's) @ 6.5 ft (2 meters) and rotating
at 20 rpm would produce 400 watts of power.
I can see about using an axle/hub assembly that could be changed out for
one that could power a small generator.
Maybe I should thank Mr. Wayne. Really wouldn't have been concerned
about power output if not for his claims.

Jim

http://www.magtrol.com/support/motorpower_calc.html

#### Rafael Ti

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##### Re: How To Build A Bessler Type Wheel
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2012, 09:47:56 PM »
Hi Jim
Unfortunately your converter does not convert kilograms of gravity into Watts...  , does it?
How are you doing after surgery? How is your work going?
I think I've found a concept ensuring the weights to move on perfect path...
This is a path we actually need.. one of the lower quartercircle of wheel.. left or right depending on direction of rotation.
It is possible to achieve it in easy way using wheels and also... together with a good timing of dropping weights.

All the best.

#### johnny874

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• Posts: 958
##### Re: How To Build A Bessler Type Wheel
« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2012, 01:54:12 AM »
Hi Jim
Unfortunately your converter does not convert kilograms of gravity into Watts...  , does it?
How are you doing after surgery? How is your work going?
I think I've found a concept ensuring the weights to move on perfect path...
This is a path we actually need.. one of the lower quartercircle of wheel.. left or right depending on direction of rotation.
It is possible to achieve it in easy way using wheels and also... together with a good timing of dropping weights.

All the best.

Raphael,
If you know the distance from it's axle, then you can calculate torque. I'm not literate in the metric system as to what most people use for force.
In the U.S., foot pounds are most common. I can see about finding conversions for metric/U.S. values so everyone will have a common basis when force is discussed. You know, something they can relate to.
On Saturday, I am going to make a video of 2 weights. One will be at the level of the axle and the other at bottom center. I did this before and got almost 90 degrees of rotation. Maybe I'll get similar results that I can show you.
See my 1st doctor tomorrow. If all goes well, I'll have one last surgery next Friday. Then I'll be able to enjoy our hobby that much more

Jim

#### johnny874

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##### Re: How To Build A Bessler Type Wheel
« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2012, 03:17:20 PM »
@Rapheal,
You got me to realise something. 40 inches (what I am working with) and using 2 pounds of weight
is close to 1/2 Nm or Newton Metre of force. That would be 1 kg @ 1 metre (1 Nm or N-m) and
1/2 Nm @ 60 rpm would generate an immpressive 3.14 watts of power. I think it's funny that with
those numbers that watts is close to Pi which is 3.142 etc., etc.
I just ckecked and it seems like that is the relationship between watts and radius if calculated @ 60 rpm.
Now we have a simple method of understanding how many watts of power something can generate.

Jim

#### johnny874

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##### Re: How To Build A Bessler Type Wheel
« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2012, 03:33:55 PM »
@All,
It will be a while before I can do anything meaningful with this. If I take shortcuts, then it wouldn,t be worth it to me.
I might modify the 4 weighted wheel. That is something where different configurations can be tried to better understand acceleration.

Jim

#### johnny874

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• Posts: 958
##### Re: How To Build A Bessler Type Wheel
« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2012, 07:20:57 PM »
Hi Jim
Unfortunately your converter does not convert kilograms of gravity into Watts...  , does it?
How are you doing after surgery? How is your work going?
I think I've found a concept ensuring the weights to move on perfect path...
This is a path we actually need.. one of the lower quartercircle of wheel.. left or right depending on direction of rotation.
It is possible to achieve it in easy way using wheels and also... together with a good timing of dropping weights.

All the best.

Raphael,
Hope you like this video. it's pretty basic, it shows one weight accelerating another one.
What might be of interest is it's efficiency. I'll be able to make some more videos showing
some of the principles behind Bessler's wheel. At the same time, someone might see
where those same principles could be used differently.
With what the video shows is the basic relationship between f (force) and (=) ma (mass multiplied by acceleration).
In a wheel, weights will need to be rotated and understanding how f=ma applies will help to understand
how much force (energy) might be needed and about how much work the wheel could generate (free energy).

Jim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOkj0czYG58&feature=youtu.be

#### FatBird

• Hero Member
• Posts: 1178
##### Re: How To Build A Bessler Type Wheel
« Reply #36 on: June 06, 2012, 08:53:52 PM »
Here are some that work.  The SELF FLOWING Flask could be SCALED UP
to power a Water Wheel TURNING a GENERATOR.

FREE POWER 24 Hours a day, FOREVER!  How much more SIMPLE can it get?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=287qd4uI7-E&feature=channel&list=UL

#### johnny874

• Hero Member
• Posts: 958
##### Re: How To Build A Bessler Type Wheel
« Reply #37 on: June 06, 2012, 09:21:55 PM »
Here are some that work.  The SELF FLOWING Flask could be SCALED UP
to power a Water Wheel TURNING a GENERATOR.

FREE POWER 24 Hours a day!  How much more SIMPLE can it get?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=287qd4uI7-E&feature=channel&list=UL

FatBird,
I'm just wondering if you're manipulating it some how. The reason for this is that
with static heads, the total volume doesn't matter, only what is above the tube.
All this means is that the levels of the flask and the tube should be at the same level.
Of course, with Bessler, I think in time you will understand how he used hydraulics
differently and in reality, his wheel is ingenious.
Jim

#### johnny874

• Hero Member
• Posts: 958
##### Re: How To Build A Bessler Type Wheel
« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2012, 10:49:30 PM »
Here are some that work.  The SELF FLOWING Flask could be SCALED UP
to power a Water Wheel TURNING a GENERATOR.

FREE POWER 24 Hours a day, FOREVER!  How much more SIMPLE can it get?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=287qd4uI7-E&feature=channel&list=UL

FatBird,
Is that your wood working ? What I can do is build a section of the wheel
to demonstrate the principle itself. One thing about it is I will be giving away
how to use warped boards without doing to much work. This would probaly
be the most difficult part of the build.
Who knows, maybe you'll find it interesting enough to maybe try yourself.
I mean if you are a part of that group, you might find this a bit more interesting
than other people and possibly worth trying.
About my health, I'll send you a pm of why it's such a problem and why right now
I'm not really interested in doing much.

Jim

#### FatBird

• Hero Member
• Posts: 1178
##### Re: How To Build A Bessler Type Wheel
« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2012, 12:31:38 AM »
Johnny,

Thank you for explaining about your health problem.
I hope everything goes perfect for your recovery sir.

.

#### johnny874

• Hero Member
• Posts: 958
##### Re: How To Build A Bessler Type Wheel
« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2012, 12:48:25 AM »
Johnny,

Thank you for explaining about your health problem.
I hope everything goes perfect for your recovery sir.

.

Thanks FatBird. I am hoping to have a "working" demonstration of what I believe Bessler
knew oh so long ago. I think it is something you and everyone else will like.
And who knows, maybe while I am incapcitated, maybe someone or some people in here will want to give it a go. I'll be able to post some cost saving tips like using plywood to make some parts with. A lot of parts can be made out of a 4 x8 sheet of 1/4" plywood.
The warped wood routine might be a bit pricy but is a labor saver. Some tools for this type of build that would be helpful are a router, a circular saw, a work bench (call me Mr. obvious), and if someone has any wood working experience, it would be helpful but not a must. Just helps having worked with power tools for safety and having a good go of things.
For drilling straight holes, with out a drill press, gluing 2 boards together will make a good alignment tool. They did that on woodsmithshop on PBS.
I'll post some of the demonstration as the build technique would be similar.
Something for you guys to think about

Jim

#### KanShi

• Newbie
• Posts: 20
##### Re: How To Build A Bessler Type Wheel
« Reply #41 on: June 07, 2012, 10:08:27 AM »
How to build it? Easy. Do the same thing Bessler did:
Create a big, heavy wheel, put some weights in it to make noise, make a hole in the wall to the next room, get your wife/girlfriend/maid/brother/... to give it a boost once in a while using a pole.

The only 2 people who claimed it worked were Bessler and the man who paid him (Charles I). A maid even testified (under oath) that she and several others were in on the scam. It's all about who do you believe: physics, scientists and maid under oath vs. an eccentric inventor and his employer. Would be really great, though - unlimited energy

#### johnny874

• Hero Member
• Posts: 958
##### Re: How To Build A Bessler Type Wheel
« Reply #42 on: June 07, 2012, 03:59:07 PM »
@All,
The video is a basic demonstration of hydraulic theory. Using leverage of about 10:1,
the force acting on a hydraulic piston can be increased. To further increase this potential,
use another hydraulic piston. This happens because one side of the piston has a smaller surface area resulting in lower volume and higher pressure.
This performs a lot of work. The hydraulic jack in the video is rated at 4,000 lbs. Yet if the process were reversed, the 4,000 lbs. could only lift the handle back to it's starting position.
Ha, ha, ha, I think I found out why everyone has failed with the Travis Effect, lmao !!
It isn't performing any work. This means that it would have to physically lift a mass, let it's pressure in the static head be relieved and then let the heavy mass compress the hydraulic cylinder. This means that when a heavy cap is lifted, that the hydraulic pressure lifting it is only acting on the cap. Then when the pressure is relieved, the cap's weight is on the hydraulic piston performing a separate function.
And according U.S. Patent Law, I could claim it as my own invention if I wanted to as the improvement would be mine. But I prefer Bessler's wheel.    Wayne can have it.
Now I see why my father wrote me out of his will. It was he wanted me to do something instead of be like my brothers who got a nice [size=78%]inheritance[/size][size=78%]. They might have gotten a lot of money but will probably end up wasting it. And with me ? Have believed he wanted me to give Bessler's wheel a try and have posted such before as he believed I was smart enough to figure it out and then be able to live a normal life. He knows what discrimination is like being from Europe and has seen how people react to my hearing loss. What he didn't understand is that sometimes these things take time to figure out and do a good job of it. Such as the build I am doing, I would want it to be one that Bessler and my father would be proud of. And no, my father was not an easy man to please unless he didn't expect much from you. Then he'd just give you some money.[/size]
Back to Bessler, what he did was to use the hydraulic principle to move high volume at low pressure. this means instead of pumping 6 ounces of fluid at 100 psi, he pumped 20 lbs. of fluid at a higher velocity allowing his wheel to maintain continuous or perpetual motion.
This is because he used sequential pumping. This means that one pumped work and then the next one and then the one after that. And that would be his secret if it were one. it is in his drawings.
Tried to make the drawing smaller but couldn't.

Jim
almost forgot the link to the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYDac_LK0vM&feature=youtu.be
edited to add: may wait until after resolving my medical issues to do any work. Money is tight and don't wish to do something that doesn't illustrate very well what I am trying to explain. It might only make things more confusing.
Jim
p.s. not sure if you will understand this, but if you have 8 levers on a wheel and rotate it, there is no over or under balance. The levers motions are all cancelled out by the opposing lever. The main reason no one has been successful.
Where free energy comes into play is that the lever has more force than the water it is pumping upward. As the water pumps up, this causes the wheel to rotate in the opposite direction. when this happens, the next lever will have more force than the water and will repeat the pumping of the water. And this is why it's perpetual.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2012, 05:42:27 PM by johnny874 »

#### johnny874

• Hero Member
• Posts: 958
##### Re: How To Build A Bessler Type Wheel
« Reply #43 on: June 07, 2012, 08:54:47 PM »
@All,
This video shows the potential of the mechanics I've been discussing.
What I'll probably do is start building a 29 inch diameter wheel. it would
have weight ratios close to what is in the video.
I'll need to do some math to make sure on the actual weights and over balance I'll be using.
This way I can keep my sanity. Not being able to do much is an easy way to lose it if you know
what I mean.
Between money being tight and my not being that up on things right now, I'll see if I can't pace
myself and post regular updates. I have modified my radius tool for my router and will need to add
some re-enforcing screws. It will be adjustable so I can radius the supports for the inner and outer
wheel assemblies. These parts are what the warped boards will be attached to and will be the
main part of the wheel.
Who knows, maybe I'll have this first part finished before surgery (sux) and then i'll have to wait until
I won't need happy pills

Jim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFXZU1xGL94&feature=youtu.be

#### FatBird

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• Posts: 1178
##### Re: How To Build A Bessler Type Wheel
« Reply #44 on: June 08, 2012, 01:19:56 AM »
Johnny, you can save yourself a lot of work & grief if you watch the Video below.

They have several examples of working units that you want to build.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=287qd4uI7-E&feature=channel&list=UL

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