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Offline sarkeizen

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« Reply #1770 on: January 08, 2014, 02:13:23 AM »
maybe its because you like to hear me repeat myself over and over again?
Just told you that you were pretty boring.  Anyway, you don't repeat yourself.  You always say different things and almost never clearly answer a direct question.  If you read the question carefully, moving your lips if you need to.  Then fashioned your answer in the same form as the question.  You might start sounding coherent.  I won't hold my breath though.
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how many times must i tell you that it doesnt matter how long the thing lasts-as long as it lasts the lifespan of the ipod right?
Not if your argument is "It will last forever".  80 years is exactly one "forever" short of forever.  It's simple math.  The fact that a battery might last 80 years seems entirely beside both your original statement, quentron nonsense and your point about 2LOT.
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you know of any oxford bells that can power an ipod for 80years?
No idea, however it's actually unimportant.  Your primary point was "Textbooks say it will run an ipod forever", I said you could not support that.  Now say you were lying.  Fine.  I win.
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i just challenged you to use textbooks to show us how a textbook battery goes dead and you wont do it
Why would I need to?  Since a) It's not the point I was arguing against, b) you agree that it does.  c) I'm not making any claims about textbooks.  So what's to discuss moron-boy?
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@sarkeizen,you wont because you cant.its you who,s being hammered here buddy
It really seems like it's you.  Didn't you just admit that I was right about the point concerning "The textbooks say it will last forever".  You just said it won't.   That would imply "that you cannot support it with textbooks" (unless you want to weaken your textbook argument to the point that it's useless).
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,wakeup.i can use a textbook to show you how an oxford zinc-carbon goes flat anytime :-)
...and I'm sure your mom is proud.  In fact if you put that on your resume.  You might get a job at "Mister Donut".
« Last Edit: January 08, 2014, 04:58:49 AM by sarkeizen »

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« Reply #1770 on: January 08, 2014, 02:13:23 AM »

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« Reply #1771 on: January 08, 2014, 06:42:15 AM »
B)my argument was that textbooks support and predict a kelvin-buster.thats exactly what i showed.C) 3 years is all we need from the above said kelvin-buster.should it decide to go on for eternity then thats its own decision.its not up to you or me @sarkeizen.(although we,l make sure that it rusts after 3years in the panasonic labs).D)huh? E)huh!

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« Reply #1772 on: January 08, 2014, 03:01:53 PM »
B)my argument was that textbooks support and predict a kelvin-buster.
Actually your argument was "textbooks demonstrate the existence and ability to construct batteries which will run an ipod continuously forever".  Again I can show you exactly where you say or imply this and I have several times.

Unless that's no longer your argument.  I mean you should just say that.  Which of course means you lost that argument.  Right? If you're willing to admit that then there's at least room to move on to something else but if you're just going to play the same game if I crush whatever your current argument is then.  Yawn.  Sorry, not interested.

You might think you have agreed that I won that round but it's hard to tell when a) You don't say things clearly and b) You start talking about your battery *deciding* to run forever, perhaps it's talking to you too?
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C) 3 years is all we need from
3 years, 2 years, 1 year, 100 years.  It's irrelevant if your argument is still "forever".  If it's not, I'd like to hear you say that you can't support "forever".  That was what you were arguing so you would lose that one right?
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should it decide to go on for eternity then thats its own decision.
Your battery is also conscious....it *decides* things?  I think whatever you're smoking...you should cut back.
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D)huh? E)huh!
Your English is pretty bad, I get that.  How about formulating questions that aren't simply grunts?

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« Reply #1772 on: January 08, 2014, 03:01:53 PM »
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Offline Philip Hardcastle

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« Reply #1773 on: January 08, 2014, 03:07:14 PM »
Hi All.


Please go to


www.quentron.com


for some interesting reading.


Regards
Phil

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« Reply #1774 on: January 08, 2014, 04:11:30 PM »
A collectible for $5000?  :o

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Offline profitis

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« Reply #1775 on: January 08, 2014, 07:48:53 PM »
my battery?no no mr sarkeizen.it was my battery.its your battery now.your battery.establo-wiki.establo-other papers,official.concretized.youre domain.your side of the line now bro.we want to interrogate you about your battery for a change because we feel like interrogating you about your battery for a change today @sarkeizen.is it eternal? If not can you show us how not?if you wont show us how not why not? Crucial questions.we demand answers. 

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« Reply #1776 on: January 08, 2014, 07:55:59 PM »
my battery?no no mr sarkeizen.it was my battery.its your battery now.
Nope.

You said you observed something.  You stated that a battery of some configuration would last eternally.  I simply mentioned that empirical observations can't support this.  You eventually appeared to agree.  Then you appeared to admit that you lied and it wouldn't last forever even in theory (although you seem to think that the battery can "decide" to last eternally or something).  So clearly the entire conversation (such as it is) is about something you observed and you are postulating.  Again I can show you quotes from your idiot self for all of this.

So that can't be "my battery" in any useful sense of the term as I'm not observing any of those things or postulating any of those things.  Anytime you actually want to start making progress on this discussion you can signal me by answering questions clearly and specifically. Until then you can continue being an enormous obstructionist asshole.

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« Reply #1777 on: January 08, 2014, 08:09:28 PM »
in other words you want to interrogate me for saying your battery lasts eternaly.why would you want to interrogate someone who said your battery is eternal when you believe that your battery is uneternal? Surely you,d laugh and say 'yeah right',right? Why arent you saying yeah right and laughing @sarkeizen?why are you interrogating the interrogater?something to hide?shy?still cant find a scientist friend to confirm if im incorrect?

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« Reply #1778 on: January 08, 2014, 08:42:55 PM »
in other words you want to interrogate me for saying your battery lasts eternaly
Nope.  You are postulating something: "Textbooks say that batteries that last eternally can exist and can be built".  You have said words to this effect many times.  I have said that you probably can't support that statement.   You have claimed that some observations of yours are evidence to this effect.  I've just noted that what you have observed can't support your point as long as it is about "lasting eternally" or about "textbooks".  "Your battery" is talking about what you are postulating.  I've postulated no battery, just that you can't support your statement.   So there is nothing that could be reasonably considered "my battery".

So what next?

Will you continue to *imagine* that I've said something that I haven't.

...or just fall back and demand I build something?
...or demand I answer some irrelevant question "yes or no" when it's clearly not collectively exhaustive?
...or pretend that you've done what I asked when you haven't?
...or keep avoiding the question?
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Do debate tactics like yours work ever?  Because they seem to be nothing but fail right now.


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« Reply #1779 on: January 08, 2014, 08:46:06 PM »
official textbook side of the line @sarkeizen.you must defend the oxygen concentration cell from being branded a perpetual motion device,and fast before somebody builds one.

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« Reply #1780 on: January 08, 2014, 08:47:54 PM »
official textbook side of the line @sarkeizen.you must defend the oxygen concentration cell from being branded a perpetual motion device,and fast before somebody builds one.
Sorry, your babble means nothing to me.  Explain it in terms relevant to SPECIFIC things that I've been talking about.

Such as your postulating:  "Textbooks necessitate the existence of and the ability to construct a battery which will run an ipod-like device eternally"

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« Reply #1781 on: January 08, 2014, 09:17:05 PM »
official textbook side of the line @sarkeizen.you must defend the oxygen concentration cell from being branded a perpetual motion device,fast.period.(btw,why do you avoid using the words oxygen concentration cell?hell you,ve never said those words once before,anybody else notice this?step into my domain for once @sarkeizen,electrochemistry)

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« Reply #1782 on: January 08, 2014, 10:35:50 PM »
official textbook side of the line @sarkeizen.
No idea what that means.  Again.  You have postulated something about batteries that will last eternally.  This is what I take issue with.  If you want to discuss something else, well you are setting up a pretty poor precedent aren't you? Why would anyone, anywhere ever want to talk to you about anything when you won't answer a simple question or admit when you are mistaken?

Either support your statement or say you can't/won't.  In which case I'd entertain the idea of talking about something else.
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step into my domain for once
"stupid" isn't really a domain I'm interested in knowing more about.
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avoid using the words oxygen concentration cell
I'm not avoiding using the words "oxygen concentration cell".  You've just been such an incredibly enormous obstructionist hyper-asshole that the conversation (if you can call it that) never gets close to needing the  particular technology you consider to be instrumental in creating an eternal battery.

Until you can actually respond non-stupidly (intelligently is probably a stretch) then there will just be another hundred posts of this.  Your call.

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« Reply #1783 on: January 09, 2014, 01:10:22 AM »
A collectible for $5000?  :o


Hi Qwert,



What price would you sell the first proved 2nd law violators for?


They come in a presentation box with a test certificate and a certificate certifying they are a limited edition.


My guess is that they will have a resale price considerably higher.


So why is not $5,000 reasonable?


After all they are 10W, not 10uW, so if the sebby experiment costs $10 to produce 10uW then the price of a 10W would be $10,000,000 if you had to make it with off the shelf vacuum tubes. :D


In any case I expect that professionals and universities will be the main buyers as it would cost them at least $5,000 to make their own.


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Phil

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« Reply #1784 on: January 09, 2014, 02:27:29 AM »
@PJH: I  think the price is absolutely OK. It's a once in a lifetime chance. A little advertising in the relevant publications(WND, DailyPaul, Infowars) could certainly help. Maybe an ad like this:

 

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