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Offline sarkeizen

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« Reply #1755 on: January 05, 2014, 04:16:20 PM »
'if there is one hole in the kelvin bucket then all of kelvin spills on the floor'
Are you no longer arguing that "Textbooks necessitate the existence of and the ability to create batteries which will run an ipod like device eternally"?

Either you are arguing this or you are not.  If not, then of course I win that argument.  Since all I am arguing is that you can't support that statement strictly using textbooks and formal logic.

Take your time.  Let me know.

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« Reply #1755 on: January 05, 2014, 04:16:20 PM »

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« Reply #1756 on: January 05, 2014, 07:09:10 PM »
well lets see what wikipedia has to say about our cell @sarkeizen since they collect info from textbooks for us and give references too...'this generation of electricity from AMBIENT thermal energy,WITHOUT a temperature gradient,is possible because the convergence of chemical concentrations in the 2 half-cells increases ENTROPY,and this increase more than compensates for the decrease when heat is converted into electrical energy'..source: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_cell .this about sums it up for our everlasting cell mentioned further below in that same article titled'oxygen concentration cell' @sarkeizen,the very same cell that we challenge you to kill.you can see that it obeys thermodynamic entropy requirements,the electrochemical entropy requirement completely overwhelming the pressure and temperature entropy requirement,,when in electrical contact of course..what say you @sarkeizen?

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« Reply #1757 on: January 05, 2014, 08:44:04 PM »
well lets
answer my question please...I get that you don't like losing but you should at least try to be fair.

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« Reply #1757 on: January 05, 2014, 08:44:04 PM »
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Offline profitis

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« Reply #1758 on: January 05, 2014, 10:19:08 PM »
 question answered,with an answer @sarkeizen. The above electrochemical cell violates kelvin-plank statement but satisfies entropy requirements of the 2nd law.quite a juxtaposition to swallow for the mind.two seperate entropy states in one system.either the one is active in time(electrochemical) or the other active in time(pressure,diffusion).assymetrical.

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« Reply #1759 on: January 06, 2014, 03:07:44 PM »
question answered
Not very clearly.  Please state: Are you no longer arguing that "Textbooks necessitate the existence of and the ability to create batteries which will run an ipod like device eternally"?

Again, I'm sure you don't like losing but since you constantly demand answers to your stupid and vague questions.  You could at least answer one of my clear and concise ones. :D  Just for a change from your normal miasma of nonsense. :D

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« Reply #1759 on: January 06, 2014, 03:07:44 PM »
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Offline profitis

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« Reply #1760 on: January 06, 2014, 08:24:03 PM »
im going to tell you exactly what im doing @sarkeizen.im no longer arguing my point about textbooks supporting and predicting and mentioning a kelvin violator, im showing it.

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« Reply #1761 on: January 07, 2014, 12:01:28 AM »
@profitis, well you seem to have won the longest argument in history, and despite your use of theory and text books your view is right that building it is certainly the proof that is needed. Good luck to you.


Similarly with sebby and quenco.


Having done the sebby experiment repeatedly within a small circle the time has come to go public, so I am offering a limited edition 10W sebby on my site. They will be made in Beijing (subject to discussions with the manufacturer).


www.quentron.com


With 100 professional units out there the World can no longer deny the 2lot violation.


As soon as I can I will also start selling quenco, depending on the progress over the next few months re batch c.


Of course mass demonstrated 2lot violation by the sebby will no doubt ignite world wide interest in the quenco, and that will finally deliver the proper resources it deserves.

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« Reply #1761 on: January 07, 2014, 12:01:28 AM »
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Offline sarkeizen

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« Reply #1762 on: January 07, 2014, 01:11:45 AM »
im going to tell you exactly what im doing @sarkeizen.
Probably not.
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im no longer arguing my point about textbooks supporting and predicting and mentioning a kelvin violator, im showing it.
So are you intending support your point about textbooks necessitating the existence of and ability to build eternal batteries?  Or not?

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your view is right that building it is certainly the proof that is needed.
Not if your point is that "You only need textbooks to show..." which is what profitis said...also if the thing in question is "eternal life".  How do you test that *strictly empirically* without taking eternity? Karl Popper and I would both like to know.

I never really understand the moronic arrogance of people like Philip but that might be a good thing you know.

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« Reply #1763 on: January 07, 2014, 05:36:07 PM »
definitely one of the longest arguments in history @phillip,beginning over 100years or so ago at the time when these laws were certified.certainly the first time in history that someone has pointed out a working perpetual motion device of the 2nd kind supported by wikipedia and ironicly thanks to sarkeizen for steering my attention there.i gues its you,me,sarkeizen,not to mention lumen who all played a role in the serendipity here,destined to culminate in the wikipedia paper,and from the wikipedia paper to hundred other papers on same subject.beautiful @phill,beautiful.wonder what the repercussions will be? Will wiki now 'correct' that paper? Will all the others? Lol!

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Offline profitis

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« Reply #1764 on: January 07, 2014, 06:00:57 PM »
intending support?lol @sarkeizen show me one higher education science textbook that doesnt support the wikipedia cell,the cell that you cant and wont kill.whats with your obsession with eternity man quit being silly.show me an electrochemical cell that doesnt self-discharge one iota over ten years and youve already got a winner @sarkein,no other type electrochemical cell behaves this way(except other kelvin violators).show me a cell that gives energy from say ten percent corrosion and 90percent kelvin-bust that rusts completely dead in 17years and youve still got a winner economy.whaddaya complaining bowt, eternity man,pah!

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« Reply #1765 on: January 07, 2014, 07:42:09 PM »
Quote from: The Book of Stupid
beginning over 100years or so ago at the time
...when the gullible and uncritical roamed the earth and they congregated and eventually formed the free energy movement and they vowed to make people more stupid every year.

intending support?lol @sarkeizen show me one higher education science textbook that doesnt support the wikipedia cell,the cell that you cant and wont kill
So are you going to answer my question?  Are you going to support your statement about textbooks necessitating the existence of and the ability to build batteries which can power an ipod like device eternally?  Anytime you want to answer clearly.  Just let me know. :-)  Take your time if you find the question difficult.
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whats with your obsession with eternity man
You're the one who brought it up.  You said that the battery would power a device continually forever.  I can show you where you (stupidly) said that.  As that is the statement I took issue with, as long as you are claiming you can support it.  That's the statement that I should defeat.  The other reason that it's important is your (very stupid) obsession with building things.  No built device can validate the claim that it would operate eternally strictly through observation.  Yet that is exactly what you continually (stupidly) demand.

Now if you want to withdraw that argument.  Go ahead but as long as it's your claim, I'm going to force you to defend it.

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« Reply #1766 on: January 07, 2014, 08:57:17 PM »
A)stupid? You mean like lord kelvin?wasnt he the guy who said something about heavier-than-air-machines being impossible? B)so are you going to answer my question first,CAN YOU KILL THE WIKIPEDIA BATTERY AND SHOW IT (in theory if you prefer).C)ok i lied @sarkeizen.it,l power your ipod for 80years(im saying this to hopefully chill you out).happy now?

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« Reply #1767 on: January 07, 2014, 09:38:18 PM »
can you use textbooks to show how to kill the wikipedia battery @sarkeizen because i can use textbooks to show how not to kill it.

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« Reply #1768 on: January 07, 2014, 10:27:48 PM »
,l power your ipod for 80years(im saying this to hopefully chill you out).happy now?
Dude, I'm not sure why you think I get excited over your posts.  I mean you are really, really, really, really, really, really, really stupid but that's not exactly uncommon.  It's the only thing more common than hydrogen.  What you have been doing is boring me, day after day of ridiculous twisting and turning.  Trying so very hard to avoid being clear, avoid making a useful argument, avoid supporting it properly.  I mean I admit I'm amused to keep hammering you into the ground but that's really all I get out of this (and upping my postcount - not far from "hero" now!)

As I said.  "forever" , "eternal" was your point.  If you didn't mean it don't say it.

So something that runs for 80 years and then runs out of juice.  That isn't likely to be a 2LOT violation.  The oxford bell has been running for over 150 years and we know it will run out and we know it's not a 2LOT violation.

So I guess you give up then?

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« Reply #1769 on: January 07, 2014, 11:50:39 PM »
maybe its because you like to hear me repeat myself over and over again?maybe thats your thing @sarkeizen.maybe thats why you get high on my posts.i mean,how many times must i tell you that it doesnt matter how long the thing lasts-as long as it lasts the lifespan of the ipod right?you know of any oxford bells that can power an ipod for 80years?please let me be the first to know,we,l be rich.give up?holy shit im beginning to think youre crazy dude,i just challenged you to use textbooks to show us how a textbook battery goes dead and you wont do it @sarkeizen,you wont because you cant.its you who,s being hammered here buddy,wakeup.i can use a textbook to show you how an oxford zinc-carbon goes flat anytime :-)

 

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