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« Reply #1680 on: December 23, 2013, 11:21:05 PM »
if you scroller down here www.chem.queensu.ca/people/faculty/mombourquette/Chem221/8_Equilibrium/Electrochem.asp to the section titled 'electrode concentration cells' you will see the category for our cell @sarkeizen.hydrogen gas is the species.i.e. platinum will soak up a vastly different amount of hydrogen gas than gold will.enough to create a voltage up to 1volt in fact.

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« Reply #1681 on: December 24, 2013, 04:29:42 AM »
so let me explain how a hydrogen concentration cell runs flat @sarkeizen.it decompresses gas at one electrode and squashes it on the other.after that,its flat.dead flat.incapable of further work ok? Notice it does this when switched on ok(duh..logical).notice it doesnt do jackshit prior to being switched on(duh..logical).in other words its most stable state when switched off is the gaseous concentrations prior to being switched on.and its most stable state when switched on is a gas pressure differential ok?ok @sarkeizen?with me so far?
Cite please.  Please consult the format I gave you and the many times I explained to you the rationale for it as well as the many times I explained how what you did - is not providing a useful citation.  All of which I did using small words no less. :D :D :D

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« Reply #1682 on: December 24, 2013, 07:24:58 AM »
@sarkeizen 1) all ambient pressure gaseous electrode concentration cells must have a gas pressure difference in them after switched on.  2)all ambient pressure gaseous electrode concentration cells must have zero gas pressure difference in them when switched off therefore 3)all ambient pressure gaseous electrode concentration cells must be able to run flat,incapable of doing any more work,over and over again ad infinitum in a repeatable cycle due to gas pressure differentials during on/off phases.you dont need any more cites.

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« Reply #1682 on: December 24, 2013, 07:24:58 AM »
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« Reply #1683 on: December 24, 2013, 07:45:08 AM »
you dont need any more cites.
Please provide the requested cite.  As per the definition repeated many times, with examples given many times and the rationale given many times.  You haven't provided a cite.

You did promise "all the cites and logic I could ever dream of" but "promise" to you means "lie" right?

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« Reply #1684 on: December 24, 2013, 05:24:13 PM »
 maybe you do need more clarity.check out the example under sub-title 'electrode concentration cells' here www.emedicalprep.com/study-material/chemistry/electro-chemistry/concentration-cells.html .this is an example of a non-ambient pressure hydrogen electrode concentration cell.they use identical work-function electrodes and begin with a pressure differential,and end with equal pressure.we use different work-function electrodes,begin with equal pressure and end with differential pressure @sarkeizen.

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« Reply #1685 on: December 24, 2013, 08:15:34 PM »
maybe you do need more clarity.
I need a cite.  I've already explained how to do that many times, I've already explained why it's necessary and I've already explained why what you do doesn't qualify. 

Again, not one cite and yet I was promised all I could dream of.  I wonder why lying is so easy for you?

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« Reply #1686 on: December 25, 2013, 12:23:39 AM »
did my posted links not just explain to you how an electrode concentration cell works @sarkeizen..

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« Reply #1687 on: December 25, 2013, 03:01:28 AM »
did my posted links not just explain to you how an electrode concentration cell works @sarkeizen..
I need a cite.  I've already explained how to do that many times, I've already explained why it's necessary and I've already explained why what you do doesn't qualify. 

Again, not one cite and yet I was promised all I could dream of.  I wonder why lying is so easy for you?

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« Reply #1688 on: December 25, 2013, 07:55:57 AM »
DID MY POSTED LINKS NOT JUST EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW A ELECTRODE CONCENTRATION CELL WORKS @SARKEIZEN.the species is hydrogen.the solvent is two different work function metals.

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« Reply #1689 on: December 26, 2013, 02:02:04 AM »
DID MY POSTED LINKS NOT JUST EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW A ELECTRODE CONCENTRATION CELL WORKS @SARKEIZEN.the species is hydrogen.the solvent is two different work function metals.
Look, it would be worth knowing if you're going to cite anything or not.  So far your cite count is zero.  You have many times said you are going to cite things, and each time I've called you a liar and each time I've been right.  I'm not sure why you're ok with eroding your own credibility but hey.  Stupider people have posted here before...like just about every true believer in Philips vaporware.

If you're not actually going to answer my questions then you aren't actually discussing anything with me.  You're talking to yourself.  Which is fine, but I doubt that's someone you need to convince of your delusions.

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« Reply #1690 on: December 26, 2013, 08:12:51 AM »
what you wanted was to learn how a certain class of concentration cells power themselves forever @sarkeizen.i showed you the relevant text from education institutions,enough to use your formula for logic to deduce everlasting behavior: these cells must equalize electrode concentrations,therefore they must pump gas from one electrode to the other,therefore they go flat with a pressure differiential,therefore they are capable of decompression when switched off and return to original status. Discharge,compression.relaxation,decompression.its as simple as that @sarkeizen.im the electrochemist here,you may bombard me with questions relevant to this class of concentration cell,the ambient pressure gaseous electrode concentration cell.

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« Reply #1691 on: December 26, 2013, 02:58:01 PM »
heres another way to prove a self-charging cell using textbooks: here,s a standard hydrogen electrode www.chemguide.co.uk/physical/redoxeqia/helectrode.gif .if you change anything in this electrode e.g. if we use smooth platinum instead of blackened platinum we will get a non-standard,different voltage from it.we apply your formula for logic @sarkeizen: a smooth platinum electrode and a standard platinum electrode under 1atm h2 at 298kelvin will constitute an standard pressure electrode concentration cell.one electrode will pump hydrogen onto the other in order to equilibrize potentials resulting in a gas pressure differential.ie. in pure logical terms that everyone can understand,theres a potential difference between a standard and non-standard gaseous electrode.work can be done.

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« Reply #1692 on: December 26, 2013, 05:28:35 PM »
what you wanted was to learn how a certain class of concentration cells power themselves forever
Nope.  Unless you are the greatest moron who ever lived...which you may be.  What I wanted was a textbook cite either DIRECTLY stating the creating of something that will power something forever (which you have admitted doesn't exist) OR a textbook cite on some subject and a formal logical argument stemming from the CITED point directly to the conclusion.

I have asked for exactly those things so many times that you would really have to be the stupidest person who ever lived not to realize that's what I want.  I have even explained why that is important and why what you are doing is insufficient.  Again only an exceptionally unintelligent person would not recognize that.

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« Reply #1693 on: December 26, 2013, 05:59:58 PM »
Sigghh..a standard h2 electrode (o.o volt) + a non standard h2 electrode (something other than o.o volt) = electric cell @sarkeizen.do you honestly not remember your school electrochemistry.anode:h2 = 2h+ + 2e-. Cathode: 2h+ + 2e- = h2.these are the only possible reactions thus gas must be compressed...DURING ON PHASE.decompressed...DURING OFF PHASE.you would think that the fact that anyone can test this would convince you but no.its no wonder hardcastle deserted you.you wont even listen to reproducible evidence!   

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« Reply #1694 on: December 26, 2013, 06:55:59 PM »
you would think that the fact that anyone can test this would convince you but no
Wasn't your argument that I don't have to see anything I only have to look at the textbooks?  I can go back and show you exactly where YOU say that.   Is that not your argument anymore?  If so, you just have to say that's not your argument anymore.  It's not hard. 
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.its no wonder hardcastle deserted you.you wont even listen to reproducible evidence!
My recollection is that Philip couldn't argue his point to save his life.  I told him how information theory/complexity theory kind of kicks his idea in the head.  I cited at least one paper and he just went mute.  If I were to guess the reason it would be that Philip knows less than zero about the subject.

If Phillip's experimental evidence was so clear and reproducible there would be no trouble convincing a significant number of people.  However it's not convincing people because as many here have noted it's rather far from clear cut but hey I just gave you a chance to vent all those conspiracy and prejudice theories that you fantasize about.

So go nuts...(or simply further so)

 

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