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« Reply #1620 on: December 11, 2013, 09:28:52 PM »
Perhaps this article will make things a bit clearer for you
Can you make a formal logical argument from this article which reaches the conclusion that "Textbooks say we can create a device that will run an ipod-like device forever?"

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« Reply #1621 on: December 11, 2013, 10:51:00 PM »
yes yes yes @sarkeizen.those guys showed that altercation of the electrode potential in a single gaseous electrode in contact with solid electrolyte(YSZ) induced a work function change and hence a gas-adsorptive capacity change.thus they conclude that the electrostatic (non-faradaic) electrode potential of a given metalic surface,eg. gold or platinum will directly affect the tightness to which it binds to the respective gas.thus platinum and gold will hold onto eg.oxygen gas to different degrees due to different electrostatic potentials,different work functions.its because of this that oxygen gas has two different potentials in the karpen setup and its because of this that the karpen setup will pump oxygen gas from one electrode to the other,ie.so that the oxygen potential evens out.the oxygen potential does even out temporarily on discharge because gas simply diffuses back to an even distribution when we switch the cell off.platinum and gold,s work function difference and potential difference(electrostatic,non-faradaic) remain constant and unaltered in the cell,only gas moves and ions(electrolyte) move,and of course electrons move via external circuit.nothing can permanently change here.it means wikipedias formula e=wf+contact potential with electrolyte is proven correct by karpen,s crapster and vice versa ie.we can integrate it with textbooks smoothly

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« Reply #1622 on: December 11, 2013, 11:36:53 PM »
yes yes yes
Doubful
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Those guys showed
Hyper Fail!!  Right out of the gate.  You might as well have said: "My uncle Sydney made a perpetual motion laser".  You have to cite the portion of the paper - which you won't because you probably haven't read anything other than the abstract - and write a series of statements which force the conclusion.  No cites, no series of statements == You are a failure.
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Come back when you can do something other than fail.

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« Reply #1623 on: December 12, 2013, 12:40:57 AM »
hey you can suss it out in 3-D if you want to check it out man.shove it in your lab,change the pressure,tweak the voltage,check the time,check the temperature..it,l all fit exactly to a T per what-im-saying.but we know you wont @sarkeizen,disgusting man.you force me to spill my secrets out here then you shout,'not enough'.your a disgrace to the energy movements.

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« Reply #1624 on: December 12, 2013, 01:21:29 AM »
hey you can suss it out in 3-D if you want to check it out man.shove it in your lab,change the pressure,tweak the voltage,check the time,check the temperature..it,l all fit exactly to a T per what-im-saying.
Again, when you lose the argument you fall back to "But you need to build it".  Even though this is in direct contradiction to what your original argument was.  Sheesh.
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but we know you wont @sarkeizen,disgusting man.
If you say, "textbooks prove" and I say "I doubt textbooks prove".  Only an exceptionally stupid person would argue that building something proves their point about textbooks.
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you force me to spill my secrets out here then you shout,'not enough'
It's not "not enough" it's that you have given nothing.  Anyone can say "Oh this journal article proves X"' only someone who knows what they're talking about can take the article and step you through a logical argument where you have no choice but to agree.   Hence I think that you are either trolling, or know that books don't support your position or simply don't know what you're talking about.  Let me know which one it is.
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.your a disgrace to the energy movements.
You mean the free energy movements?  The movements almost entirely peopled with the gullible, math-poor and stupid?  I'm not sure their opinion is really all that meaningful.

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« Reply #1625 on: December 12, 2013, 01:59:04 AM »
except that that little journal was but one out of thousands coming to the same conclusion you silly man.in fact so many journals came to the same conclusion that theyve christened it the 'nemca'effect @sarkeizen.its now officialy textbook material @sarkeizen.check it up in wikipedia @sarkeizen.karpens crapster is powered by the nemca effect @sarkeizen. and dont insult our FREE-energy website with its FREE-energy seekers ne.its here for a reason.   

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« Reply #1626 on: December 13, 2013, 02:05:16 AM »
except that that little journal was but one out of thousands coming to the same conclusion you silly man
Same problem. No cite.  No argument. Hence you are failing.
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If so it should be easy to cite one and provide a series of irrefutable steps in plain english but you keep refusing to do so.
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its now officialy textbook material
Then you should be able to show me a textbook with the statement and mentioning how it would power something forever or provide a formal logical argument to this effect.
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and dont insult our FREE-energy website with its FREE-energy seekers ne
I didn't insult them.  I described them.  Accurately.  Free energy movement collectively has about as much skepticism as a child who believes in Santa.
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.its here for a reason.
I agree, it's here because we have people who are idle, insecure, uninformed and uncritical.

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« Reply #1627 on: December 13, 2013, 05:13:14 AM »
no @sarkeizen.you will see that i am correct in a laboratory ie.that only a pressure difference across any karpen electrodes will halt their power output,bring them to rest equilibrium.the differential nemca effect will remain on a permanent basis otherwise and result in continuous gaseous potential difference and hence power output in nothing less than total violation of the 2nd law thermodynamics.you will see zero corrosion of electrodes as the nemca effect is non-faradaic,electrostatic.

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« Reply #1628 on: December 16, 2013, 03:50:41 PM »
no @sarkeizen.you will see that i am correct in a laboratory
So wait...at first you said that I don't need to do anything but look at textbooks.
Then you couldn't tell me which ones.
Then you claimed you did (but didn't)
Then you said I have to build it.
Now you say I need a laboratory?

At what point do you actually admit that you failed to make your point?  i.e. That all we need to look at are textbooks.

Don't you think post hoc claiming that a) You can't show me which textbooks, b) I need to build it myself - to perform a test that is meaningless I might add and c) that I need to do so in a laboratory is more than a little deceptive?  As in "winner of most deceptive thesis of the year award", kind of deceptive?

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« Reply #1629 on: December 16, 2013, 05:09:06 PM »
you can try the thing wherever you want @sarkeizen.in your lounge,in the pool,underground,in outer space,it will work,nonstop.the nemca effect is the nemca effect case closed,slam dunk.we can now directly mathematicly tie work function,voltage,gas chemisorption,gas liberation and ...entropy...into one formula that is totaly compliant and dependant upon well accepted standards.let us celebrate @sarkeizen for this is a monumentous occasion just as we pass into the new year.im officialy the first guy to bust the mystery of karpens crapster into mainstream frei-energie website world,and from there into the established laboratory world.i bridged the gap.
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« Reply #1630 on: December 16, 2013, 07:37:15 PM »
let me put everything into perspective for you @sarkeizen.karpen,s cell obeys the 2nd law thermodynamics to a T when we switch it on.karpen,s cell obeys the 2nd law thermodynamics to a T when we switch it off.

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« Reply #1631 on: December 17, 2013, 06:30:15 AM »
this is a monumentous occasion just as we pass into the new year.im officialy the first guy to bust the mystery of karpens crapster into mainstream frei-energie website world,and from there into the established laboratory world.i bridged the gap.
I don't think anyone's buying what you're selling anymore as you have taken up permanent residence in fantasyland.

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« Reply #1632 on: December 17, 2013, 08:39:25 AM »
lol.notice how you purposely ignore my last post about the thermodynamics of the fantasyland system,which are in total agreement with textbook thermodynamics.something tells me you are going to be very quiet from now on @sarkeizen.

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« Reply #1633 on: December 17, 2013, 07:46:39 PM »
lol.notice how you purposely ignore my last post about the thermodynamics of the fantasyland system,which are in total agreement with textbook thermodynamics.something tells me you are going to be very quiet from now on @sarkeizen.
Since you haven't cited anything or provided a formal logical argument.  "total agreement" (whatever that means) is still taking up residence in fantasyland with "a device that powers an ipod-like device forever".

I'm sure they're both keeping you company troll-boy.

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« Reply #1634 on: December 17, 2013, 08:44:00 PM »
i dont see how the commonest,most widespread rules governing concentration cells can possibly be informal @sarkeizen please explain.and while youre at it please explain your accusation of informality on the common nemca effect and its direct effect on gaseous electrode potential.and while your at that please explain your informality accusation on the well-established thermodynamics of all of the above.you owe us that much after repeated cries of 'informality' sir.dontcha think?

 

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