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Offline markdansie

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #1605 on: November 19, 2013, 12:48:17 PM »
Still dreaming I see, good luck I hope it works
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« Reply #1606 on: November 19, 2013, 06:52:45 PM »
@markdansie..we dont believe in dreams.we dont believe in luck.we believe in something that can power an ipod or radio at a less expense,less effort than a plug-wall charger,or a chinese zinc-carbon. It works.

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« Reply #1607 on: November 19, 2013, 08:49:38 PM »
errm @sarkeizen..formal argument?fail?
Yep.  You have failed to make your point.
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A karpen cell will absolutely not stop until you maintain a   pressure difference between the two gaseous electrodes.this you can test .this you can check.this you can 1)see,2)feel 3)touch 4)test
"Running forever" can not be felt, seen, touched or tested (empirically).
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5)mathematicize.this
If so, you have not provided a formal argument to this point.  So you have failed to make your point.  There is no cite which explicitly states your point, nor is there a formal argument presented which goes from what was stated in a cite to force your conclusion.

How is this anything but you failing?
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@ sarkeizen is revolutionary..we are entering a new age with new energy sources.money is to be made.
Nope.

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« Reply #1607 on: November 19, 2013, 08:49:38 PM »
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Offline profitis

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« Reply #1608 on: November 20, 2013, 06:28:12 PM »
 running long enough can be tested @sarkeizen.long enough to divorce from the wall-plug.my point is you cannot divorce any electrode potential from its work function:E=wf + contact potential with electrolyte(wikipedia).thus to prove wikipedia is correct we can take e.g. two copper electrodes,one rough,one smooth and shove them into copper sulfate solution under argon or nitrogen and get a measurable voltage and current.same with gaseous electrodes.

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« Reply #1609 on: November 20, 2013, 07:25:14 PM »
running long enough can be tested @sarkeizen.
Sure, if you run something forever it can be said to run forever.  Anything less is not exactly demonstrating forever as forever is infinitely larger than any finite period.
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.my point is you cannot divorce any electrode potential from its work function:E=wf + contact potential with electrolyte(wikipedia).thus to prove wikipedia is correct we can take e.g. two copper electrodes,one rough,one smooth and shove them into copper sulfate solution under argon or nitrogen and get a measurable voltage and current.same with gaseous electrodes.
No cite, no formal logical argument.  Still a fail.

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Offline profitis

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« Reply #1610 on: November 21, 2013, 10:00:59 PM »
@sarkeizen..i have to disagree with you.if we have to prove that wikipedia is correct in its assumptions then it becomes a formal argument.

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« Reply #1611 on: December 08, 2013, 12:00:27 AM »
@sarkeizen..i have to disagree with you.
Only because you are one of the biggest logical morons (or trolls) I have ever met.  People who live in bus shelters, who put "mindless gibbering" on their list of skills on their CV have a better grasp of logic than you do.
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if we have to prove that wikipedia is correct in its assumptions then it becomes a formal argument.
You have to first learn to construct a sentence that makes sense.  That one doesn't.

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Offline orbut 3000

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« Reply #1612 on: December 08, 2013, 12:16:24 AM »
The Quentron.com website's new simplified design seems to inspire all kinds of speculation. Some people think this is just another case of PJHs spontaneous emotional combustions we have seen come and go in recent years, while others speculate that this could very well be the result of patent attorney's advice following the influx of a significant investment.


Nobody except PJH knows for sure, but something seems to be going on behind the scenes, whatever it is. 


 ;D

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« Reply #1613 on: December 08, 2013, 08:44:18 AM »
Lol @sarkeizen.wheres your demand for a promised citation gone to? That was your strongpoint you should stick to it but stooping to tantrums is a new lowpoint for you. dissappointing man.wikipaedia,s mathematical work function formula is correct whichever way you want to look at it.it can be put to the test.

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« Reply #1614 on: December 08, 2013, 02:21:17 PM »
Lol @sarkeizen.wheres your demand for a promised citation gone to?
Not every post needs to remind you  that you have failed, failed, failed in this respect. :-D
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That was your strongpoint you should stick to it but stooping to tantrums is a new lowpoint for you.
What tantrum?  I was just being descriptive.  You really show zero understanding of how to formulate an argument...deliberately or otherwise.  I've said things like this before, many times.
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wikipaedia,s mathematical work function formula is correct whichever way you want to look at it.it can be put to the test.
Yawn.  If you have a cite from a textbook, and a FORMAL LOGICAL ARGUMENT - that is, a series of statements where each one is FORCED (which means there is no possible other conclusion) by the prior one. That leads inexorably to your conclusion - that someone can construct a device that can run an ipod forever.  Then I for one would love to see it posted here...

However, we both know you don't have that, or anything like that... :D

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« Reply #1615 on: December 08, 2013, 03:57:34 PM »
Except i didnt fail in that respect @ sarkeizen.i provided the audience with a clear,diagramed explanation integrated with known facts.my explanation can be thoroughly exhaustively tested to see if it fits the bill 3-dimensionaly and thats what makes it tilt so enormously powerfuly in my favour.the wikipaedia formula is the cherry ontop because it forces you to acknowledge that karpen wasnt necessarily a crapster ie. that 2 same gaseous electrodes of different work functions will absolutely behave as predicted by and for that formula.

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Offline sarkeizen

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« Reply #1616 on: December 08, 2013, 08:48:15 PM »
Except i didnt
Do you have any other tactic than "I really want to pretend I did what you asked"?  If not, you might as well not talk anymore, ever, to anyone.  (Just to be on the safe side :D)
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i provided the audience with
...nothing like what as asked for.
1) Is a diagram is a textbook cite?  Nope.
2) Is a diagram a *formal* logical argument.  Nope.

How do we know?  If it was 1) then you could simply tell me which textbook it is from, the edition and then I could check.  This would be a textbook cite.  You haven't so it's not 1).  If it was 2) then I would have a written out set of steps which it is IMPOSSIBLE to come to any other conclusion.  I don't.  So it's not 2).

If I don't have 1) and 2) then your argument isn't nearly as strong as you claimed.

Hence you failed.    I'm sure it's not the first time either. :D

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« Reply #1617 on: December 09, 2013, 10:54:42 AM »
I think theres a misunderstanding between you and me @sarkeizen.im trying to prove that the wikipaedia formula is correct.correct.E=wf+contact potential with electrolyte is correct.2 gaseous electrodes,2 different work functions =battery.eg. cathode work function 1: O2 + 4H+ +4e- =2H2O. anode work function 2: 2H2O= O2 + 4H+ + 4e-.the end result is simply passage of gas from one electrode to the other in a closed system.the intrinsic work function differences remain constant eg gold remains gold,platinum remains platinum(under normal circumstances).

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« Reply #1618 on: December 11, 2013, 04:28:54 PM »
I think theres a misunderstanding between you and me @sarkeizen.im trying to prove that the wikipaedia formula is correct
Sorry.  Not interested.  Unless you can provide a textbook cite for your assumptions (never done) and then a formal logical argument which reaches your conclusion "It must be possible to create a device that will power something like an ipod forever"

My position was that you would be unable to support "It must be possible to create a device that will power something like an ipod forever" with textbook cites.  So far I am correct.  I think you know I'm right and have been spending months trying to wiggle out of what you said.

Truth appears to be that text books do not clearly indicate that "It must be possible to create a device that will power something like an ipod forever".  So your argument that the <whatever> pile is based on textbook knowledge has failed.

Again I'm sure you will continue to fail, such is your life.

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« Reply #1619 on: December 11, 2013, 07:17:59 PM »
Perhaps this article will make things a bit clearer for you @sarkeizen www.researchgate.net/publication/243187093_The_effect_of_catalyst-electrode_potential_and_work_function_on_the_chemisorptive_bond_of_oxygen_on_Pt_interfaced_with_YSZ .here you see a direct relation between work function of a gaseous electrode and its binding ability to the respective gas.they change the electrode potential to shift the work function here.we change the work function to shift the potential in karpen,s formula.gold remains gold.platinum remains platinum.a little clearer for you now?

 

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