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« Reply #1500 on: October 09, 2013, 09:53:10 PM »
@sarkeizen ok so i ask you again then. do you agree with my last quotation or not.yes or no

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« Reply #1501 on: October 09, 2013, 10:52:27 PM »
do you agree with my last quotation or not.yes or no
Agree, in what sense?

Also thanks for implicitly admitting that you lied about my agreeing with your statement.  I'd like to say that you have been pretty unethical through this entire discussion.  Want to explain your unethical behavior?  I've caught you in several deceptions, you've broken promises and in general kind of trampled all over the social contract that most people seem to consider implied in a discussion.  You might want to try and be a better person.  Just a thought.

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« Reply #1502 on: October 09, 2013, 11:35:34 PM »
@sarkeizen youre the nasty one,you called me an obstructionist asshole i didnt call you an obstructionist asshole. Ok i lied but i feel it was justified because you evaded my question pertaining to my quote that time by rapid deliberate attempted diversion of the subject(the quote) onto a plethora of other issues so yes i lied about you agreeing with a quote from the highest institution of electrochem in the states.sorry .so now you ask me in what sense do i ask you a yes or no question pertaining to either agreeing or disagreeing with the same quote from the same highest institution? Its cleary you who is obstructing not me @sarkeizen.im simply asking you if you think that what they say in their statement is consistent with fact,yes or no.

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« Reply #1502 on: October 09, 2013, 11:35:34 PM »
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« Reply #1503 on: October 10, 2013, 12:22:44 AM »
@sarkeizen youre the nasty one
I'm saying you were UNETHICAL not mean.  There's an important difference.  If you want someone to do something for you on the internet - like examine a quote or discuss something there's a requirement of good faith which you have repeatedly broken.
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you called me an obstructionist asshole
Dude that's entirely, completely and utterly what you are.  It's a label, when you get older you should consider getting your name permanently changed to that.

Either you had a textbook or you didn't.  If you didn't you should have said instead of spending a lot of time trying to avoid the question.
If you need to change your thesis.  You should say, not constantly avoid the question.
Ether you were going to fulfill your promise or you shouldn't have promised (not to mention the other times where you didn't promise but did express intent).

Next time just argue, don't try all this deceptive shit.

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Ok i lied but i feel it was justified
And somehow you don't think you're an asshole.  Wow.  Score one for the power of being blind to your own flaws.

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because you evaded my question pertaining to my quote...deliberate attempted diversion of the subject(the quote)
Seriously?  You made a statement that I asked TWENTY TIMES for you to support in the manner that it was stated.  What I'm guilty of is trying to keep you ON THE POINT.  Which you said was "focus on the textbooks".  Which I tried to but you kept deliberately trying to change the subject. 

Do you seriously not see that what you have described is YOU not me?

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so now you ask me in what sense do i ask you a yes or no question pertaining to either agreeing or disagreeing with the same quote from the same highest institution?
The problem is that you are entirely incorrect.  It's not just a yes or no question.  If what you mean is do I consider it factually correct.  I simply have no opinion until I read it in context and perhaps ask you some questions.

That ain't obstructing that's just good sense.  So about that cite... :D :D :D

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« Reply #1504 on: October 10, 2013, 01:42:36 AM »
@sarkeizen sure i must remember that your not an electrochemist and thus be more err accomodating,duely noted but your just being silly now.any person with basic high school knowledge knows that batteries run until equilibrium and you know it too so youre obviously hellbent on sidetracking and trying to be funny for some reason which is lame.its for similar such reasons i mirrored your ways and delayed my promise,which incidently we wont be needing after you answer my question,do batteries run until equilibrium @sarkeizen,yes or no.focus on my question now forget  the textbook please,yes or no @sarkeizen.

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« Reply #1505 on: October 10, 2013, 02:57:04 PM »
any person with basic high school knowledge knows that batteries run until equilibrium and you know it too so youre obviously hellbent on sidetracking
If your quote is really in a textbook and it actually supports your position then showing it to me in context can only benefit your position and persuade me.  The only logically consistent reason to NOT provide a cite is because one of those premises is not true or you are being irrational.

QED mofo. :D

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and trying to be funny
No I *am* funny and I've made no secret that you are amusing me.

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delayed my promise
You mean broke.  You broke your word several times on the subject of providing a cite and below you say that if I answer then your promise is "not needed".  That sounds an awful lot like "I never intended to keep my promise".  Exactly how many times have you lied in this thread?

No wait.  Your lying is my fault right?  I wonder how long you can tell yourself that?  Probably forever. :D

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,yes or no.focus on my question now forget  the textbook please,yes or no
I am focusing on your question.  I've told you what I need to answer it.  How could that *not* be focusing on your question.  Is logic ever taught in school anymore?  My guess is it probably isn't.

If you want to keep stalling for what are undeniably illogical or irrational reasons then be my guest.  I don't have any stake in the outcome, you are clearly the person halting the conversation by:

i) Demanding we talking about your point and your point only - that we focus on textbooks.
ii) When I comply and focus on textbooks.  You demand I agree or disagree on a point which for all I know is not in a textbook.
iii) When I humbly request a reference to a textbook.  You demand I agree or disagree at which point you will demand that we don't need to talk about textbooks anymore.

Yeah, this stalemate is all my fault. :D Must be.  On the other hand I wonder how much damage you can cause to your thinking process by forcing yourself to rationalize all this craziness.  I'm glad I have a front row seat.
 
I really hope that your conflict resolution skills are better than this IRL.  Not that I'd be terribly surprised if they weren't.

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« Reply #1506 on: October 10, 2013, 05:23:58 PM »
@sarkeizen funny indeed but now youre coming back into silly.you want me to run around for references,citations,cross-examinations and cross-textbook quotes for a question that a teenager can answer without hesitation.so now instead of you answering this all-important question so that it can bring closure to my case that you had wanted me to do in the beginning of this chapter you would rather stretch it out for the long haul?preposterous.if you wont answer that logical question,which certainly doesnt require a single citation,how do you propose we move forward to a factual conclusion @sarkeizen? The stalemate is on you now because i want to close instantly. 

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« Reply #1507 on: October 11, 2013, 01:08:40 AM »
you want me to run around for references,citations,cross-examinations and cross-textbook quotes
Slippery slope fallacy.  I asked you for one cite that you claim you would have handy.  So unless you lied about it being in virtually every textbook then presumably you could have supplied it fifty times over in the time you spent being an enormous obstructionist asshole.  Not only that but remember YOU were the one who said "focus on what the textbooks say" and that's what I'm doing.

Next time why not simply argue "Nobody but Profitis says..." you would have had no argument from me on that one. :D

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for a question that a teenager can answer without hesitation.
That's the "ad populum' fallacy.  Look it up you logical loser.

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so now instead of you answering this all-important question so that it can bring closure to my case that you had wanted me to do in the beginning of this chapter

Your case was: "all the textbooks say..." so actually it seems far more relevant to find out what the textbooks say than what you say or what the kids on your block say or what your pets say.  Perhaps when you want to find out what textbooks say you consult your friends and/or pets but if you ask me that's a pretty monumentally stupid way to accomplish that.

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you would rather stretch it out for the long haul?
I just want to understand the statement I'm agreeing to.  You seem to think that's unnecessary - that probably explains many of your other beliefs.  Not to mention that if this is indeed a piece of information that can be found in a plethora of places then my friend, you are the only person who is at the greatest fault for stretching this out. :D

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if you wont answer that logical question
Sorry if there's one thing you have demonstrated you don't understand.  It's logic.  It's illogical to answer a question you don't understand but you think that's the very very very best way to approach things.  Which is, of course stupid which might just be the easy explanation for your behavior but I'm willing to give it some time to see if there's something else here.

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how do you propose we move forward to a factual conclusion
Simple. You provide the cite. You personally and specifically requested that we focus on textbooks, you have implied that the cite is easy to obtain, you even promised to provide it.  I am not making an unreasonable request.

Furthermore, as has been stated before there is no way for this request, if the textbooks really support your point for this request to harm your argument.  Hence, your refusal is not only more time consuming than complying, unreasonable and irrational.

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The stalemate is on you now because i want to close instantly.
Absolutely, entirely and utterly incorrect and provably so.

If you want to...ok I have no idea what "close instantly" means but it sounds like something your girlfriend probably complains about.

However if you want for the discussion to progress more quickly then you will provide the cite.  Clearly the only thing you are accomplishing is prolonging the conversation (and amusing me).

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« Reply #1508 on: October 11, 2013, 09:31:05 AM »
@sarkeizen lol! why would you want one quote from a textbook that indicates an everlasting cell when i already just gave you one,you can double-triple check on it by going to  that link i provided in my last quote.i,l answer my question for you,yes a concentration cell will last until equilibrium ie.a air-cell will last until the air is equal at BOTH electrodes case closed. the air level at the top of a glass of ocean liquid will never be the same as on the bottom of the glass of ocean liquid.air is lighter than water,its concentration at the surface of water is massively different than below its surface,permanently.2 identical platinum or gold electrodes,one at the surface and one below the surface cannot permanently equalize their air concentration.only temporarily.
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« Reply #1509 on: October 11, 2013, 03:21:34 PM »
quote from a textbook that indicates an everlasting cell when i already just gave you one
Can you tell me the name of the textbook and the page number (publisher and edition are good too)?  Those are two pretty normal pieces of information in a cite. In fact I mentioned both of them in the example cite I gave you.  Is this a reading comprehension issue?  It's starting to sound like it.

The only thing you've posted is a domain name (if you want to be technical there's a difference between that and a link).  Which, if you convert it into a URL it doesn't locate a document which contains the quote you provided.  If there is some specific URL on that site that you meant to reference then you should probably do that.  A cite, as I told you when you posted your domain name needs to be specific. 

If you were to demand a real person, say your girlfriend (after you apologize for "finishing instantly" of course) to believe something because, as you say "A textbook says it" and then when asked "Which textbook" you just say "Oh some library somewhere has it".  That's probably a good recipe to get slapped...and you would deserve it.

As was proved earlier, there is absolutely no rational reason to deny a reasonable request like this and by not providing it you are being irrational, unethical (you promised a textbook cite - I don't have one) and of course deliberately halting the discussion.

I still wonder why all this song and dance about something you seem to say is incredibly easy to provide but you still spend 100x the time posting about how you refuse to provide it (even though you promised) when you could have provided it and got on with the discussion.

That doesn't sound like someone who has a winning argument in their pocket to me.  Which is giving me all the more reason to want to see the cite.

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« Reply #1510 on: October 11, 2013, 05:54:22 PM »
@sarkeizen Its not an argument when somebody uses logic or common sense to support reality and then gets poked about not providing the four thousand citations,references,cross-pre-examinations and post-cross-examinations to support it.thats just being silly.an analogy discussion would be : claimant: 'air is see-through',  sarkeizen:'show the reference to back up that statement',  claimant:'ok i,l show a reference',  sarkeizen,'not good enough show a quote',  claimant,'ok i,l show a quote',  sarkeizen,'not good enough show a cite'  claimant,'please stop im exhausted',  sarkeizen,'prove it'.  claimant,'please sir im tired'.  sarkeizen,'show your method of making the claim of tiredness'. So must you seriously realy require the full blown citation to the statement,'batteries run until equilibrium'?.

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« Reply #1511 on: October 11, 2013, 08:05:44 PM »
Its not an argument when somebody uses logic or common sense to support reality
So far you haven't shown much logic or common sense.  Definitely zero logic.
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and then gets poked about not providing the four thousand citations,references,cross-pre-examinations and post-cross-examinations to support
Again, slippery slope fallacy.  So far you were asked for exactly ONE cite.  Furthermore it is one cite that you seem to say is easy to produce and of course you promised you would provide.


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thats just being silly.an analogy discussion would be
Wrong.  :D  As I illustrate below...

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obstructionist asshole claimant: 'air is see-through'
Except that you might argue that this is self-evident - at least to someone who can see.  However you can not argue the same thing about your claim that: "All textbooks predict that you can build a device that can run an ipod forever".  Evidence suggests that quite a number of engineers and physicists do not consider at least my reading of that statement as self-evident.  So this never really happened

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obstructionist asshole claimant:'ok i,l show a reference'
Isn't a reference something that REFERS to an object or book?  Quoting something without any clear indication is actually not a reference.  So this part never happened either.  Also considering that your claim was: "All textbooks show..." it's a little foolish to pretend that such a thesis can be supported without referencing a textbook.

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obstructionist asshole claimant:'ok i,l show a quote'
Except that you were never asked for a quote.   You have, since the beginning been asked for a cite.   So again this part didn't happen either.

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obstructionist asshole claimant:'please stop im exhausted'
Dude if you don't want to talk, don't talk.  Nobody is forcing you to be an obstructionist asshole and post here.  All I've pointed out that you spend absolutely enormous amounts of time being an obstructionist asshole and zero time providing a cite

So it seems you are being deceptive (Again!) in some way.  Either you could easily provide the cite and won't for some reason you have not disclosed OR the cite is not easy to get.

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So must you seriously realy require the full blown citation
ROFL. ROFL. ROFL.  All this drama, over something that takes under 5 minutes.   Clearly less time than you've spend avoiding the question.  To wit:

Quote from: Linear Algebra and its Applications, Page 253, David C. Lay, Addison Wesley Longman, 2nd Edition
Let H be a subspace of a finite-dimensional vector space V.  Any linearly independent set in H can be expanded, if necessary to a basis H.  Also, H is finite-dimensional and dim H <= dim V

I looked up the above and typed it out in 2 minutes.  Now get off your lazy ass.

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« Reply #1512 on: October 12, 2013, 12:40:42 AM »
@sarkeizen  claimant:'use the textbook to help you build a forever battery.'  sarkeizen:'but i dont know how'  claimant:'find a friend'  sarkeizen:'i got no friends'  claimant:'go make friends'  sarkeizen:'no i want a cite lazybones,*blush*'  claimant;'you obstructionist asswipe'

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« Reply #1513 on: October 12, 2013, 02:02:15 AM »
enormous obstructionist asshole claimant:'use the textbook to help you build a forever battery.'
My response to this stupid argument of yours was, time and time again that you said:

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no need to observe.its written and predicted in  textbooks

If I don't need to observe then clearly I don't need to build.  So all I need are the textbook cites, now I would understand some reluctance if they were impossible books to find but again you said...

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all and every textbook on electrochemistry

That's what YOU said.  Were you wrong?  Can you say: "I Profitis the obstructionist asshole am wrong.  Clearly the textbooks don't predict this and/or the textbooks are exceptionally difficult to get and I have been a trolling obstructionist because I am wrong."

oh and...
Quote from: Discrete and Combinatorial Mathematics, Pg 56, Ralph P. Grimaldi, Pearson Addison Wesley, 5th edition
Two statements s1, s2 are said to be logically equivallent, and we write s1 <-> s2, when the statement s1 is true (respectively, false) fi and only if the statement s2 is true (respectively false)
That took me 2 minutes you lazy trolling ass.

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« Reply #1514 on: October 12, 2013, 11:41:49 AM »
@ sarkeizen claimant:'chek it says cells run until equilibrium electrochem.cwru.edu/ed/dict.htm'  sarkeizen,'dont talk crap'  claimant,'yes the work function of a piece of gold at potential depth(a) is different from the work function of a piece of gold at potential depth(b) quasi-temporarily its a quenco.a working quenco.a working f*@?ing quenco.  sarkeizen,'talk shit,seriously?'  claimant,'well the work function is dependant on the potential isnt it?'  sarkeizen,'no shit shirlock (-:,you genius,*blush*'

 

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