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Author Topic: quentron.com  (Read 1261370 times)

lumen

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #615 on: December 26, 2012, 09:28:00 AM »
But this device does not exist yet. Right?
Shouldn't it sound rather like this:
we want to build a device. The device will work on a certain principle which we tested and proved it works.

It's rather hard for an amateur to create and handle a technology to obtain a nano-scale thick product.
It could sound something like that depending on when you think this became a serious effort to build it.
To me, the serious effort started when Philip started work at Stanford University.
If you want to do your own testing, 35,000 USD will get you an ALD chamber off ebay.
2LOT has already been compromised, so finding better methods will just be a matter of time.
 
 

sarkeizen

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #616 on: December 26, 2012, 07:05:27 PM »
Like I said "ID 10T error".

You just need to move the letters closer together!
Can you give me an example of a physical quantity exponentially increasing with respect to time without a unit?
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A TROLL is someone who uses 27 posts to repeat himself again....and again....and again....and again....and ad infinity....
How about someone who writes posts which are simply vapid namecalling? Like calling someone a troll?  Apparently you're allowed a lot of those around here.

Anyone who takes the time to look can see each of my posts was a response to a specific statement by someone about something I had said. If you don't get how I was elucidating then perhaps you didn't understand the post to begin with.
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I don't get what you are saying. The device does work, it has been proven, it has been tested, and you can even test it for yourself!
The idea that someone thinks that what is presented by Philip and to a lesser extent yourself is perhaps less than sufficient is entirely unintelligible to you should be an enormously huge red flag with fireworks that perhaps your belief extends much farther than the evidence can support.

Philip claims he made something and recorded some effect.  So did you.  Technically these aren't Quenco's even Philip doesn't call them that.  There is no fabricated Quenco.  Not to mention that Philip and you are simply assuming that what ever you think you observed is due to some effect that you are hoping can be replicated with these devices.  The idea that some might consider such evidence as rather weak.  Isn't exactly irrational.

Engineers and Stock Analysts really need to read Karl Popper (my apologies in advance to the sane subset of Engineers I've met)

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #617 on: December 26, 2012, 07:30:06 PM »
No one is saying that anyone has to believe in anything. 
 
A TROLL is someone who uses 27 posts to repeat himself again....and again....and again....and again....and ad infinity....
 
Disagree all that you want, but don't badger others who disagree, and don't say the same OLD thing again and never actually contribute anything.  A troll wastes good bandwidth and good oxygen. 
 
Merry Christmas ALL (even to all the Trolls!)  Jesus is the reason for MY season!
 
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Bruce

To be fair, most of my posts have been questions and statements of fact (read them!!).
With regards to repeating things (something you are also guilty of), if anyone (PJH included) were in a position to answer some questions then I wouldn't repeat.

Without scientific proof (Quenco is claimed to exist and is proven 100% - sorry for repeating that!) then all your beliefs are just that.

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #618 on: December 26, 2012, 08:06:22 PM »
To be fair, most of my posts have been questions and statements of fact (read them!!).
With regards to repeating things (something you are also guilty of), if anyone (PJH included) were in a position to answer some questions then I wouldn't repeat.

Without scientific proof (Quenco is claimed to exist and is proven 100% - sorry for repeating that!) then all your beliefs are just that.
I wasn't writing concerning you, but if your conscience is bothering you, or if the shoe fits, hey, who am I to disagree.
 
I have NO belief system about quenco, other than I believe that PH believes in his project.  I am patiently waiting for what ever month PH decides to demo.  I have said to you and to the real troll, that to continue to verbally cut PH to shreds with innuendos, mismanagment accusations, etc., ad nausua is a WASTE OF TIME and prolongs STRIFE.  It will not hurry nor change the schedule, it adds nothing to the scientific discussion, provides no experiments, no builds, but simply PROLONGS STRIFE.  And I have had enough of it.
 
So many good member of OU.com have quit because they are sick of the *?*&^ talked about, and that no one builds anything or experiments anymore.  (very few, at most)
 
And the REAL TRoll can say the same thing 27 times in 27 different ways, with his snide, arrogant remarks, but he STILL says the same thing.  And yes SARKEIZEN, I am talking about you.
 
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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #619 on: December 26, 2012, 08:32:44 PM »
I wasn't writing concerning you, but if your conscience is bothering you, or if the shoe fits, hey, who am I to disagree.
 
I have NO belief system about quenco, other than I believe that PH believes in his project.
Total and utter lie.  You believe that what Philip describes is plausible.  You believe that Philip is capable of delivering said plausible idea.  I could probably list an easy half dozen beliefs you have other than "Oh only Philip believes"
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I am patiently waiting for what ever month PH decides to demo.
I'm patiently waiting for some people to realize that Philip has made this decision many times...and each time failed to produce a device.
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  I have said to you and to the real troll, that to continue to verbally cut PH to shreds with innuendos, mismanagment accusations,
Where exactly is the innuendo?  Being a bad manager is absolutely correct - Philip himself has agreed with me.   Not to mention that it's a logical consequence of believing that Philip isn't a liar and that the Quenco device isn't the problem. 
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etc., ad nausua is a WASTE OF TIME
Again nobody elected you (or mrsean2k) to the high-and-mighty-council-of-what-is-and-is-not-a-waste-of-time.  Sorry you prefer that belief...why not just try and deal with the diversity that is life? Instead of badgering people into your belief system.   I'm perfectly cool with the fact that people here want to hide from some of the logical problems that come from Philip's repeated failures to produce a device.  It's like watching a doomsday cult without the funny ending.
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It will not hurry nor change the schedule, it adds nothing to the scientific discussion
It adds valuable information as to how seriously we should take Philips claims.   This is, as has been mentioned a few times simply a logical consequence.
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And I have had enough of it.

How about you simply stop creating all the strife?  So far you seem to be a primary cause.  You know, with your vapid namecalling...just a thought.
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So many good member of OU.com have quit because they are sick of the *?*&^ talked about, and that no one builds anything or experiments anymore.  (very few, at most)
Well perhaps you should be having your little tantrum at Philip?  So far he has built nothing. Heck as far as this thread goes all you're doing is talking crap, vapid crap at that not even a logical argument and you sure don't appear to be building anything.  So perhaps you can yell at yourself in the mirror for awhile.
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And the REAL TRoll can say the same thing 27 times in 27 different ways, with his snide, arrogant remarks
What same thing am I saying?  You keep leaving that out.
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And yes SARKEIZEN, I am talking about you.
When aren't you?  Take a nap, relax.

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« Reply #620 on: December 26, 2012, 08:55:13 PM »
Total and utter lie.  You believe that what Philip describes is plausible.  You believe that Philip is capable of delivering said plausible idea.  I could probably list an easy half dozen beliefs you have other than "Oh only Philip believes"I'm patiently waiting for some people to realize that Philip has made this decision many times...and each time failed to produce a device. (28 times)
 
 

Where exactly is the innuendo?  Being a bad manager is absolutely correct - Philip himself has agreed with me.   Not to mention that it's a logical consequence of believing that Philip isn't a liar and that the Quenco device isn't the problem.  Again nobody elected you (or mrsean2k) to the high-and-mighty-council-of-what-is-and-is-not-a-waste-of-time.  Sorry you prefer that belief...why not just try and deal with the diversity that is life? Instead of badgering people into your belief system.   I'm perfectly cool with the fact that people here want to hide from some of the logical problems that come from Philip's repeated failures to produce a device.  (29 times)

  It's like watching a doomsday cult without the funny ending.It adds valuable information as to how seriously we should take Philips claims.   This is, as has been mentioned a few times simply a logical consequence.
How about you simply stop creating all the strife?  So far you seem to be a primary cause.  You know, with your vapid namecalling...just a thought.Well perhaps you should be having your little tantrum at Philip?  So far he has built nothing. (30 times)

Heck as far as this thread goes all you're doing is talking crap, vapid crap at that not even a logical argument and you sure don't appear to be building anything.  So perhaps you can yell at yourself in the mirror for awhile.What same thing am I saying?  (Gee I wonder!?  You are one stubborn, thick headed individual.  IMHO  30 times now you have repeated yourself.)
 
You keep leaving that out.When aren't you?  Take a nap, relax.

Case and point!
 

sarkeizen

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« Reply #621 on: December 26, 2012, 09:38:56 PM »
Case and point!
ROTFL....so wait, wait, wait.  If you say something that implies that Philip hasn't yet selected a date to demo.  Nobody is allowed to point out that the truth is something different than that?   Ever think that perhaps you're coming up with arbitrary rules as a method of avoiding cognitive dissonance?

Similarly when you express your ire toward people because you like to pretend that they haven't built things while you defend someone else but again we're not allowed to point out the gaping hole in that reasoning?

Again don't you think you're kind of being arbitrary?  After all it's not like you're not repeating yourself....the main difference is that you're being vapid.  Uh congradulations?

lumen

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #622 on: December 26, 2012, 09:53:56 PM »
Can you give me an example of a physical quantity exponentially increasing with respect to time without a unit?

Sure I can, how about your posts in this channel!

They seem to be increasing exponentially in time, without unit.




sarkeizen

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #623 on: December 26, 2012, 09:56:06 PM »
Sure I can, how about your posts in this channel!
Isn't "posts per day" a unit?

lumen

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #624 on: December 26, 2012, 11:10:53 PM »
Isn't "posts per day" a unit?

Yes, posts per day could be a unit, so could words per day, so could bytes per day, bytes per hour, or minute or any way to quantize the data.

But then, I did not need any unit to see the result.

You only need a unit to prove to someone else a result! But that's not what you said.
Though, you could say I just believe that's the result if I don't produce any data to prove it, but the fact is, the data is real only you believe it is not!




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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #625 on: December 26, 2012, 11:16:53 PM »
E2matrix:

I am going to respond to what you said with some detail just once.  Just once in the sense that this response is almost generic because your comments above are almost generic and I have seen similar comments from you many times over applied to all sorts of cases.

Every time a debate comes up you play the paranoia/conspiracy card.  It's like you are a blind cheerleader for almost any free energy technology.  You never ask technical questions and I am pretty sure that you are not a technical person.  You almost never question the motives behind free energy propositions or consider both sides of a claim.  It like you 'consume' free energy propositions without ever considering their merits or considering both views of the proposition.  And I believe you stated that you have been following the free energy scene for more than 20 years!

You live in a paranoid cloak and dagger world of your own imagination.  No matter how ridiculous and how lacking in any credibility the free energy proposition might be, you believe it and are willing to play the MIB card.  After a certain point in time it's almost comical.  You have seen countless free energy propositions outright fail, or whither on the vine, or be exposed as hoaxes, or be exposed as true cons, and yet you still apparently want to believe the vast majority of them are true and any problems may be associated with "paid disinformation agents" or the "MIB."

In this particular case of Quentron there is simply no substance to Phil and his claim.  Have you ever seen any data from him?  Any prototypes?  Have you ever read any comments from Phil where you get the sense that there is a real, tangible organization behind him?

I don't get any feeling whatsoever that there is any substance to Phil and his claim at all.  I just see endless delays.  Recently someone made a comment and he got 'hurt' and pulled his website.  This was a few weeks before he was supposed to 'launch.'  Is that what a real, serious organization is supposed to do, pull their website because of an anonymous comment on a free energy chat board?

Look at the excuse on the web site now:

I don't recall him saying about a labour issue on his last few 'excuse' postings here on OU.

You need to 'let reality in' E2matrix.  Sometimes free energy propositions are just bunk, and the MIB are not some magical angel that swoops in an 'saves the day' and explains the reason behind every failed free energy proposition.  You need to put your 'critical thinking skills' hat on and start admiring how much better you look with that hat on.

Every time you make a content-less 'MIB' posting you are impugning and denigrating the characters of the people that question the claim.  Yet you never try to debate the merits of the claim yourself.  You are trying to imply that nearly all people that question free energy claims are on the payroll of mysterious and evil government or industrial cartels.  That means that you are trying to imply that people that question free energy claims are evil themselves.  This has to stop and you need to wake up from your stupor.  Blind believing in free energy propositions and blind believing in 'the grand MIB conspiracy' and constantly impugning the characters of people that debate the issues is surely a mind-numbing stupor.

In plain English, enough of the MIB comments and comments like, "The bigger the potential of a new technology the bigger the propaganda and sabotage attempts become.  It's obvious this thread has become rife with them."

It's obvious that you are not thinking.  Start thinking and start respecting people with differing opinions than yours and stop trying to portray them as evil people on the payroll of evil organizations.  After a certain point in time it's simply ridiculous.

MileHigh

LOL - That's funny that you are so anal you have to send me a PM to make sure I see your response.   So yeah I'm a cheerleader for positive change.   I'll agree to that much.   But if you were paying attention you would see I've called out a number of things as FAKE on your other hangout OUR.   Even one brought up by the PhysicsProf recently.   You think I'm not a technical person?   That's good because that means my system works for those that aren't real sharp.   I'd prefer people not think I'm too smart or technical.  I'll probably have to delete this post because it may reveal the opposite.   Some examples:  deleted now that MileHigh has seen it. 
   We won't go into my IQ because I don't want to have to live up to that level all the time.  I'm too lazy for that and I actually prefer to keep things casual on forums.   I'd rather people thought I was just average as it saves me a lot of trouble.   But do I spend time asking technical questions?   Sometimes but I am not an expert in the field that Phil is working in but I do consider myself an expert (with training) in judging people's character.   I believe Phil is honest and knowledgeable enough to know whether he has a valid concept that can turn into a product.   The fact the he even moved to the U.S. temporarily to move forward with this speaks volumes.   
      For those familiar with your reputation I need not say more.   For those who aren't let me ask if you have ever supported any concept that would lead to overunity or free energy (meaning much more affordable energy) for the masses?   Have you ever thought any concept could lead to this?   Last question deleted as apparently MH thinks it's some sort of prejudice thing.  Not sure how he got that from my question but I don't have any intention of seriously upsetting anyone nor am I even remotely prejudiced.   I can only conclude from his reaction that he may be a minority.   I welcome all race, religions, genders, nationalities  etc. here.  Zero prejudice and I don't want to see any prejudice here.   
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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #626 on: December 26, 2012, 11:49:31 PM »
E2matrix:

I sent you a PM because I thought that you were going to ignore the posting and/or you may have not seen it because it is delayed.  Several times in the past I recall making a technical point to correct something you said and you did not acknowledge it.  You made posting with a mocking tone to me a while back about battery voltages climbing under load and I responded with a technical reply and you said nothing.

Good on you for calling things fake, I simply can't remember ever reading that from you.

"aren't real sharp" - so you want to take a jab at me, I can take it.  To take a jab back at you, I have seen you endorse and support completely nonsensical foolishness, which sometimes gets posted around here.  Like you have totally glazed eyes and are simply a blank.

"I do consider myself an expert (with training) in judging people's character.   I believe Phil is honest and knowledgeable enough to know whether he has a valid concept that can turn into a product."

I beg to disagree and I have already stated my contrary opinion on Phil and his proposition.  Does that make me a evil person that is on the payroll of Big Government or Big Industry?  The answer is no, and I resent it being stated so casually by you as if it were some sort of a given.  When a Joe Blow makes a little spinning pulse motor nobody is watching.  The reason I state that is because it's simply preposterous to think that people are watching the pulse motor builders ready to threaten and even assault them.  You are just falling hook, line, and sinker for an old cliche that is itself often played by people with fake free energy propositions.

I like debating the merits of some free energy propositions.  If I ever saw something that I thought was legitimate I would embrace it.  I am not going to answer that last question, it smacks of the worst of the worst that we want to avoid around here.  There are no "Colored" and "White" bathrooms and lunch counters any more in the US.  Have you noticed?  Do you want me to push you to the back of the bus under threat of violence if you refuse?  You had better do some soul searching about your last question.

Simply stop trying to insinuate that people that want to debate free energy propositions are evil and likely on the payroll of evil Big Government or evil corporations.  Show some critical thinking skills and show balance and wisdom in your judgement of character.

MileHigh

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« Reply #627 on: December 26, 2012, 11:55:42 PM »
Yes, posts per day could be a unit, so could words per day, so could bytes...
Except that you said "posts".  Not words or bytes.  It's right up there in the post history.  "posts" clear as day.  Let's look at the quote:
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Sure I can, how about your posts in this channel!
See...posts.   
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But then, I did not need any unit to see the result.
Actually you did.  You needed to decide on "posts".  Which you did.  See? Come back when you have a coherent thought.  I won't hold my breath.

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« Reply #628 on: December 27, 2012, 12:15:59 AM »

I got a PM too!
Accusing me of having a 'mocking tone' in response to some battery voltage rising under load.......not sure what that's all about?!

sarkeizen

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« Reply #629 on: December 27, 2012, 12:36:28 AM »
I got a PM too!
Accusing me of having a 'mocking tone' in response to some battery voltage rising under load.......not sure what that's all about?!
I think the messages were for e2matrix and we were added to the recipients because we be the skeptics.

I mean true I thought e2matrix's crazy post is about as sharp as a sack of hammers but is that really so strange?   Where I come from we don't really self-identify with terms like "skeptic".  We just think believing any old shit is stupid.

But  here? I look at luten and wonder why, given his low threshold for "proof" and wonder why he (or she) doesn't convert to six different religions over the course of breakfast. Cheerleader Bruce, who heads up the "You need my permission to be critical about anything" brigade.  Do people like this really exist? or is this just some forum to troll sane folks? --- It would at least explain the UFO and alternative medicine forums attached here :)

I mean I get that much of the behavior can be explained as dissonance avoiding but it's pretty freaking extreme if you ask me.