OK, You take the side of YES Quenco is True, and I will debate that it is FALSE

Actually, I wanted false...

If you make sense I will reply in the contrary position, if I can.

How about we keep the topic on the subject of why this wont work (or even, why it will).
Lots of talk right now about it working and 'believe in PJH' but no sane reason why it will work! Lots of reasons why it won't.

How about a debate?!

You asked for a debate on science, I thought, but apparently you want to hold the debate about why PJH should be believed if he fails to meet your imposed deadline.

You have the floor to post here why his device will not work, so go ahead. Arguments that it will not work because he did not meet a timetable are just stupid and look like trolling. You asked for a debate on the subject, shame you do not do what you asked for.

...why PJH should be believed if he fails to meet your imposed deadline.

The deadlines being discussed are not MBM's or mine they are set by Philip, the outcomes are set by Philip.  Out of curiosity how is it that you don't recognize that?  Illiteracy?

I only joined here to add to this post initially, and am certainly not one of those trolls or shills some of you imagine are around here. In fact they all ask perfectly reasonable questions, the ones essential in any claim and scientific enquiry, and without them how would we learn anything?

I have been investigating this sort of thing and related areas for over 20 years, and for the last 11 been helping out Nick Pope with his ufo work, and have plenty of references if people want to question it. The only advice I can offer Paul is with his marketing. Until now the patterns have been identical, and unfortunately I see no difference here having read half the material (there are only so many hours in a day) enough to catch on the main scenario from every one before. The rules for marketing free energy and similar is totally different from normal, as if you want to make a better car or washing machine you can easily know so years in advance, and roll out a programme of marketing as soon as you wish.

But with free energy, to be frank, it does not exist. The reason this forum exists is because until aliens and free energy did exist we would just discuss them, once they did the discussions would be unnecessary. The golden rule for free energy producers is to wait till the stuff us finished and then make their announcements. That's it. Tough on the patience and enthusiasm for them as we all like to share our activities when special, and also assume like other products you won't sell without publicity. But this is different, as what are they selling? Not a variation on an old product, or a new product using old methods, but something which doesn't exist. Of course if it does exist they would show us. Have they? No. Will they? How do I know. But as long as anyone spends a single sentence announcing a product in this area which they (not us, we only know what they tell us) know is not ready the cause will get nowhere.

So it's now February. If Mr Hardcastle delivers we all know (as we wouldn't be here if we didn't) it will be a precedent. Steorn do now have a heater on sale so maybe that is a missed opportunity to investigate, but the dribble of information they have provided and flowing from it isn't sufficient to know a thing, but as for the real thing for certain this is not just equivalent to winning James Randi's million dollar prize but finding the holy grail. But I've (or you've) never seen a single one of these dates materialise. Of course we haven't, or we wouldn't be here. Will this break the mould? We only have the past record to go on, so my question would be what's difference about this date compared to previous? There are still a couple of months to go, and if delayed further then I for one will have lost interest.

That's barely even English.  Interesting position.  According to you, Philip could say "yes, I will have this tomorrow with zero doubt" every day and fail every day for dozens of years and that would say nothing about his technology.  So you don't think all information which is confirming to a result has to contribute to the probability of said result?  Such beliefs make Baby Bayes cry.  I'd love to engage on this issue but it seems like most people here aren't exactly equipped. You know a few points have been raised concerning information theory...you seem pretty mute about them.After post after post from lumen, Bruce_TPU and mrsean2k isn't it a little crazy to pretend they were ignoring me?  What makes you think this is about gaining attention?  I mean Bruce_TPU produced some of the most insubstantial posts in the last 100 on this thread and somehow you think I'm just about trying to get attention?

Hey TROLL,
 
Leave my name out of your trolling!  Don't be a hater, simply because you don't build anything, and use up good oxygen, finding the strength to type your drivel.
 
 

The bigger the potential of a new technology the bigger the propaganda and sabotage attempts become.  It's obvious this thread has become rife with them.   Why would anyone think for a minute that the many muliti-billion and trillion dollar industries that would be affected by such a technology would just lay down and let it run over them?   And why would they try to buy out such a tech when propaganda and sabotage work so well?   Armchair speculators here or paid trolls or maybe those who fear their jobs may disintegrate from such a tech or are just afraid of change?  Why not just wait and see where this technology goes?   Unless you have an agenda of course.   For some that will be like little kids waiting to say 'I told you so'.  For others I suspect it will be the reward of something for trolling.   

E2matrix:

The bigger the potential of a new technology the bigger the propaganda and sabotage attempts become.  It's obvious this thread has become rife with them.   Why would anyone think for a minute that the many muliti-billion and trillion dollar industries that would be affected by such a technology would just lay down and let it run over them?   And why would they try to buy out such a tech when propaganda and sabotage work so well?   Armchair speculators here or paid trolls or maybe those who fear their jobs may disintegrate from such a tech or are just afraid of change?  Why not just wait and see where this technology goes?   Unless you have an agenda of course.   For some that will be like little kids waiting to say 'I told you so'.  For others I suspect it will be the reward of something for trolling.

I am going to respond to what you said with some detail just once.  Just once in the sense that this response is almost generic because your comments above are almost generic and I have seen similar comments from you many times over applied to all sorts of cases.

Every time a debate comes up you play the paranoia/conspiracy card.  It's like you are a blind cheerleader for almost any free energy technology.  You never ask technical questions and I am pretty sure that you are not a technical person.  You almost never question the motives behind free energy propositions or consider both sides of a claim.  It like you 'consume' free energy propositions without ever considering their merits or considering both views of the proposition.  And I believe you stated that you have been following the free energy scene for more than 20 years!

You live in a paranoid cloak and dagger world of your own imagination.  No matter how ridiculous and how lacking in any credibility the free energy proposition might be, you believe it and are willing to play the MIB card.  After a certain point in time it's almost comical.  You have seen countless free energy propositions outright fail, or whither on the vine, or be exposed as hoaxes, or be exposed as true cons, and yet you still apparently want to believe the vast majority of them are true and any problems may be associated with "paid disinformation agents" or the "MIB."

In this particular case of Quentron there is simply no substance to Phil and his claim.  Have you ever seen any data from him?  Any prototypes?  Have you ever read any comments from Phil where you get the sense that there is a real, tangible organization behind him?

I don't get any feeling whatsoever that there is any substance to Phil and his claim at all.  I just see endless delays.  Recently someone made a comment and he got 'hurt' and pulled his website.  This was a few weeks before he was supposed to 'launch.'  Is that what a real, serious organization is supposed to do, pull their website because of an anonymous comment on a free energy chat board?

Look at the excuse on the web site now:

We had hoped to have completed the work by November but we had an unexpected labour issue that cost us over a month.

I don't recall him saying about a labour issue on his last few 'excuse' postings here on OU.

You need to 'let reality in' E2matrix.  Sometimes free energy propositions are just bunk, and the MIB are not some magical angel that swoops in an 'saves the day' and explains the reason behind every failed free energy proposition.  You need to put your 'critical thinking skills' hat on and start admiring how much better you look with that hat on.

Every time you make a content-less 'MIB' posting you are impugning and denigrating the characters of the people that question the claim.  Yet you never try to debate the merits of the claim yourself.  You are trying to imply that nearly all people that question free energy claims are on the payroll of mysterious and evil government or industrial cartels.  That means that you are trying to imply that people that question free energy claims are evil themselves.  This has to stop and you need to wake up from your stupor.  Blind believing in free energy propositions and blind believing in 'the grand MIB conspiracy' and constantly impugning the characters of people that debate the issues is surely a mind-numbing stupor.

In plain English, enough of the MIB comments and comments like, "The bigger the potential of a new technology the bigger the propaganda and sabotage attempts become.  It's obvious this thread has become rife with them."

It's obvious that you are not thinking.  Start thinking and start respecting people with differing opinions than yours and stop trying to portray them as evil people on the payroll of evil organizations.  After a certain point in time it's simply ridiculous.

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