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Bruce_TPU

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #510 on: December 13, 2012, 03:49:26 AM »
You are simply and completely wrong.It's not a question of patience period.  Either Philip is a competent manager or he isn't.  If you want me believe that Quenco really works then that forces me to believe he is poor at managing this endeavour.

Philip hasn't updated the Quenco site because he has no functioning quencos.  It's very likely that he can't have them as any Maxwell's Demon device is essentially a computing device.  The fact that Philip maintains that there is some 2LOT hole at the quantum level not only breaks Lord Kelvins interpretation of 2LOT it would also likely violates algorithmic information theory....and of course if TWO people think something it MUST be true.

I'm here because this is a place Phil posts and I think it's worth mentioning how long and hard he's pushed the "it's almost there button".  Believe if you want in Quencoism but you also must believe that Phil is a lousy manager...or cook up some special definition of "good manager" which includes his poor practices.

For me, it is not a matter of "believing" or not.  It is a matter of how we treat someone else on this forum, who for all intents and purposes, owe neither you, nor I anything, not even an explanation.  Also, Phillip has been a member of this forum far longer than yourself.  If you want to be discouraged over the delays, that is your perogative.  But remember, he owes nothing to any of us, and only posts out of respect for some members in this forum.

As many years as some of us here have been working on projects, another couple of months is hardly a big deal at all.

My personal opinion is that we are living in a fantasy land if we think for a moment that the government will not intervene if quanco does work as advertised.  No way in a zillion years, they would risk the economy and millions of oil jobs.  They will cite "national security" and it too will go away with all of the others.

Cheers,
 
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« Reply #511 on: December 13, 2012, 04:24:43 AM »
For me, it is not a matter of "believing" or not.
Actually it is.  Like it or not you do have to come to one of those conclusions.  Either Philip is managing this project badly or not (or you can make up some definition of "not badly" which includes bad practices).   Right now, if you want to believe that Quenco is real then you pretty much have to believe that Philip has managed things badly.
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It is a matter of how we treat someone else on this forum, who for all intents and purposes, owe neither you, nor I anything, not even an explanation.
Uh you realize that you have strongly asserted that we owe Philip something (a certain kind of treatment) but he owes us absolutely nothing.  I mean you're wrong but it's worth pointing out that inconsistency.  I'd say, and you will agree because you're not a moron.  That he owes us honesty.

However either he has been dishonest about his schedules OR he has been inept.  Which is just being dishonest about the level of confidence we should have.  For example right now he is saying "I have no doubt we will succeed in February" so if he fails there in a place where he has ZERO doubt.  Isn't that an example of dishonesty?  Having no doubt when you know that you should?  You either know you know for sure or you are lying that you know for sure.
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Also, Phillip has been a member of this forum far longer than yourself.
What?  All of a sudden I really am a new poster?  No apology either for being so utterly and completely wrong?
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If you want to be discouraged over the delays, that is your perogative.
I'm pointing out some rather obvious logical consequences of someone who has said "a few more weeks" for well over a year.
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only posts out of respect for some members in this forum.
Please restrict yourself to stating things you can actually know.
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As many years as some of us here have been working on projects, another couple of months is hardly a big deal at all.
Ok and when he fails in Feb?  How about then?  June?  He fails there too?   December?  In December 2013 he says "It will be done in February 2014 for sure".    At what point - if you can not believe that Quenco isn't working.  Do you have to believe that Phillip sucked in a deep and abiding way at managing this?  2015? 2016? 2020?  Just let me know what it will take.

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« Reply #512 on: December 13, 2012, 05:12:05 AM »
Actually it is.  Like it or not you do have to come to one of those conclusions.  Either Philip is managing this project badly or not (or you can make up some definition of "not badly" which includes bad practices).   Right now, if you want to believe that Quenco is real then you pretty much have to believe that Philip has managed things badly.Uh you realize that you have strongly asserted that we owe Philip something (a certain kind of treatment) but he owes us absolutely nothing.  I mean you're wrong but it's worth pointing out that inconsistency.  I'd say, and you will agree because you're not a moron.  That he owes us honesty.
 
If Philip is managing the project, not up to your standards or specifications, I suggest you write him your brilliant managerial assistance that will help him.  Considering that you have built nothing, nor contributed nothing to this forum, but taking up useless bandwidth to be critical of a man because you feel "let down" or "lied to" somehow, get over it dude!  And get over yourself.  My last post to you should have been enough, but know, you have to keep on..... like a troll would.  Are you a troll, just repeating and repeating and repeating yourself?  It is HIS project to do with what he will.  He can take it and shut it down tomorrow if he chooses.  Or he can delay until 2016.  Truth is, who really cares?  It will be here when it get here, if it gets here.  All of your pissing in the wind contributes nothing to the end result... is MY point.  Get it?   ::) ::)   ~ Bruce


However either he has been dishonest about his schedules OR he has been inept.  Which is just being dishonest about the level of confidence we should have.  For example right now he is saying "I have no doubt we will succeed in February" so if he fails there in a place where he has ZERO doubt.  Isn't that an example of dishonesty?  Having no doubt when you know that you should?  You either know you know for sure or you are lying that you know for sure.What?  All of a sudden I really am a new poster?  No apology either for being so utterly and completely wrong?I'm pointing out some rather obvious logical consequences of someone who has said "a few more weeks" for well over a year.Please restrict yourself to stating things you can actually know.Ok and when he fails in Feb?  How about then?  June?  He fails there too?   December?  In December 2013 he says "It will be done in February 2014 for sure".    At what point - if you can not believe that Quenco isn't working.  Do you have to believe that Phillip sucked in a deep and abiding way at managing this?  2015? 2016? 2020?  Just let me know what it will take.

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« Reply #513 on: December 13, 2012, 05:46:50 AM »
Hi All,


Just popped in to wish you all a merry Christmas and a happy new year.


I have posted my latest excuse on the quentron website :-)


Apparently some nasty troll here wants me to admit I am not good at management, ok I will admit that, I will also say that I am naive, overly optimistic, believe experts, have faith in the overall good of humanity and hope that we are all prepared to be honest with each other when there is so much as stake.


Why some people want Quenco to be wrong or fools gold I cannot fathom, all I can say is that I use my real name, that I am 100% sure that Quenco will become the power generation device that will power our futures and that it will be very very cheap.


That people call me names is hurtful, it bothers me, I have children and friends that read and hear things, and friends and acquaintances that become aware of these cheap shots. However at this stage I know that no such negative and viscous attacks can stop something now in so many hands, people who know all I have said is true and that Quenco is beyond doubt.


I am happy with the failures of the last few months because they were only delays. The delays caused by issues not related to Quenco and outside my control gave me / us time to deal with other matters that now makes building Quenco easy. For instance when I first arrived at Stanford the prior work done by Australian scientists gave me a head start but when we considered the need to reduce dimensions still further to overcome the substitution of barium (because we could not get permission for its use) with Yttrium, we came up against some issues regarding dielectric defects and strength, in the time we had we found a method using RTA (rapid thermal annealing wherein we could improve the dielectric properties by about 70x. We also worked out a reliable method to selectively etch SiO2 without any damage to HfO2. All in all we lost time to make the quenco this year but we used the time productively such that our work in February is now just a matter of schedule, not of trail and error, of course we still need to apply process controls of characterization and witness plates, but once these are done we can make a batch of quenco just like any production line. NOTE single layer at this point in time.


As far as expected results with the ability to have better dielectric strength and thinner layers the use of a 3.1ev emitter (yttrium) in no way limits the quenco, in other words we are totally comfortable with device currents of more than 1,000A per cm2, and we now feel that we can increase the voltage per layer to 100mV. Without question multilayer Quenco will always be limited by the ability to get heat in so talk of 10,000A per cm2 is irrelevant but nonetheless the modelling says that is easily achieved.


I still make the point that the big inventions and tasks ahead are how to use Quenco to it maximum utility. I have said it to many and will say it now, my job is done in February, after the release of the samples to the licencees a lot of money flows to the foundation, not to me, and that becomes the premier research organisation to take Quenco forward.


I note someone called me greedy and such, may i say that is unfair, check the overunity prize and see that I have made the largest pledge of funds, and that my website (crude as it is) stated that all the royalties go to the foundation. My reasoning for not making this open source are based upon a lot of consideration of submissions made from forum members and others. Realities are that only a very small number of people have the money to get things going, without those industrialists quenco cannot do anything for climate change and nothing for the poor. If you believe that open sourcing is a better option then you are mistaken, it sounds good but then so does socialism. The best we can do is to make a good deal with the devil (Capitalism).


Now this really is my last post for this year but I will come back once Quenco is finished so I can gloat at the noted silence of some.


BYE

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« Reply #514 on: December 13, 2012, 06:06:31 AM »
If Philip is managing the project, not up to your standards or specifications, I suggest you write him your brilliant managerial assistance that will help him.
It's not even a question of MY standards.  It's a question of "what standards are reasonable?".
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Considering that you have built nothing,
Again please confine yourself to statements you can know.
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nor contributed nothing to this forum, but taking up useless bandwidth to be critical of a man because you feel "let down" or "lied to" somehow
Again it's not a question of how I feel.  It's a simple question of what is reasonable.  Is it reasonable to believe that Philip managed this project badly or not.  If the tech is real then it's hard to argue that he didn't do things poorly.  Again it's not a question of "feeling" lied to.  Either he told the truth or he didn't.  Either he knew that the deadlines were stupidly optimistic or he didn't.  If he did then he lied to us.  If he didn't he lied implicitly in terms of confidence he portrayed.

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My last post to you should have been enough
The only person with a humongous ego here appears to be you.  Or did you get elected to the "council who decides what is and is not enough"....Must have missed the memo.

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It is HIS project to do with what he will.  He can take it and shut it down tomorrow if he chooses.
Nobody has questioned that...please confine yourself to relevant arguments.
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Truth is, who really cares?  It will be here when it get here, if it gets here.
So if someone said to you every day for a year: "It will get here tomorrow, for sure!" that doesn't erode your faith in their statement?  What about two years?  Twenty?  No?  Never?  You would never, ever change your estimation of their word regardless?  I suspect you're attempting to shift the discussion here because it's uncomfortable for you.  That's just speculation though.
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All of your pissing in the wind contributes nothing to the end result... is MY point.  Get it?
However pointing out that someone is probably shouldn't be trusted in a particular sense with rather well thought out arguments (a statmentto which you will make a criticism without substance) might shift peoples attention to something more worthwhile. 

Or are only cheerleaders allowed here?  You should put that in a sticky somewhere.

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« Reply #515 on: December 13, 2012, 06:26:45 AM »
Apparently some nasty troll here
I figure someone like Philip would be old enough to use the term "troll" in it's classical sense.
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wants me to admit I am not good at management, ok I will admit that, I will also say that I am naive, overly optimistic, believe experts, have faith in the overall good of humanity and hope that we are all prepared to be honest with each other when there is so much as stake.
How about saying "I, Phil Hardcastle suck at management"?  I've read over a number of your hugely boastful posts you've placed here and in that moletrap place you mentioned.  Considering how much business acumen you say you have.  Is it really reasonable to accept the "I was fooled" excuse? How many times were you fooled?  It seems like a lot, it's been over a year apparently.  Again, at what point SHOULD we discount your credibility? Feb? Mar? December?  Feb 2014? 

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Why some people want Quenco to be wrong or fools gold I cannot fathom
I can't fathom all the strawmen in your post.  What people want is orthogonal to what is being discussed.
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, all I can say is that I use my real name, that I am 100% sure that Quenco will become the power generation device that will power our futures and that it will be very very cheap.
...and nobody should find that compelling in and of itself.
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That people call me names is hurtful, it bothers me, I have children and friends that read and hear things, and friends and acquaintances that become aware of these cheap shots.
Please differentiate between describing you and calling you a name.  I can only speak for myself but I'm making a pretty objective, if colourful analysis.  Really, I've met some pretty terrible managers...and none of them would have made the scheduling errors you appear to make...repeatedly...for over a year.

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However at this stage I know that no such negative and viscous attacks can stop something now in so many hands, people who know all I have said is true and that Quenco is beyond doubt.
Yawn.  There is simply no such thing.  Open your mind even a micrometer.  The amount of evidence for 2LOT outweighs the amount you have produced against it by so many orders of magnitude it's not even funny.  However you are asking people to doubt based pretty much entirely on your word.  So if something like 2LOT can be in doubt - even slightly.  Then clearly YOUR ideas can not, by extension be without doubt.  Logic.

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but once these are done we can make a batch of quenco just like any production line.
heard it before.
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my job is done in February
heard it before.
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Now this really is my last post for this year
heard it before.
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but I will come back once Quenco is finished so I can gloat at the noted silence of some.
Definitely heard that before too.

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« Reply #516 on: December 13, 2012, 06:27:07 AM »
I don't buy what you are saying Philip.  All that I see from you is talk.  There are too many things missing in your narrative, such that you have no substance.

About a month or so ago there were some links related to your project, most of them were about a year old.  I read what you had to say by following those links.  You were unable to properly articulate the technical aspects about the electrical output from your device.  That's something that you should be able to do with ease.  You have never discussed the thermal issues in detail and how that relates to the electrical output.  You have never cited a test experiment with prototype device.  In fact, you have never even mentioned a prototype.  When you talk about "1000 amperes from one square centimeter" it's hard to take you seriously because there is no practical way to make a 1000-ampere hookup to a device that is one square centimeter in size.

You appear to be a one-man fabless semiconductor guy, and you seem to be almost nonchalant about claiming geometries that are smaller than the latest Intel and AMD semiconductor technology that's used in the latest generation of processing chips.  It costs hundreds of millions or perhaps billions of dollars to do a new generation of semiconductor technology at a reduced geometry, and yet we are supposed to believe that you are working with semiconductor layers that are about 15 hydrogen atoms thick.  That's smaller than what Intel and AMD are working with right now.

I don't know what your game is but your Internet footprint is almost nil.  If you were real and had what you say you have there would have to be an online presence for your alleged organization with multiple names popping up when you do some searching.

Nothing is going to happen in February, mark my words.  In fact nothing is ever going to happen.  That's my honest and unbiased appraisal of the current state of affairs.  For those of you that will get upset, if there was a sense of substance from Philip and there was an Internet footprint indicating a legitimate organization I would be saying something different.  Do you get it?  I am basing my opinion on the facts at hand, and not because I want to see Philip fail.

Why this "free energy dance" is going on is unknown.  You would have to really know what is going on in Philip's head.

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« Reply #517 on: December 13, 2012, 11:01:10 AM »
Hi All,


Just popped in to wish you all a merry Christmas and a happy new year.


I have posted my latest excuse on the quentron website :-)


Apparently some nasty troll here wants me to admit I am not good at management, ok I will admit that, I will also say that I am naive, overly optimistic, believe experts, have faith in the overall good of humanity and hope that we are all prepared to be honest with each other when there is so much as stake.


Why some people want Quenco to be wrong or fools gold I cannot fathom, all I can say is that I use my real name, that I am 100% sure that Quenco will become the power generation device that will power our futures and that it will be very very cheap.


That people call me names is hurtful, it bothers me, I have children and friends that read and hear things, and friends and acquaintances that become aware of these cheap shots. However at this stage I know that no such negative and viscous attacks can stop something now in so many hands, people who know all I have said is true and that Quenco is beyond doubt.


I am happy with the failures of the last few months because they were only delays. The delays caused by issues not related to Quenco and outside my control gave me / us time to deal with other matters that now makes building Quenco easy. For instance when I first arrived at Stanford the prior work done by Australian scientists gave me a head start but when we considered the need to reduce dimensions still further to overcome the substitution of barium (because we could not get permission for its use) with Yttrium, we came up against some issues regarding dielectric defects and strength, in the time we had we found a method using RTA (rapid thermal annealing wherein we could improve the dielectric properties by about 70x. We also worked out a reliable method to selectively etch SiO2 without any damage to HfO2. All in all we lost time to make the quenco this year but we used the time productively such that our work in February is now just a matter of schedule, not of trail and error, of course we still need to apply process controls of characterization and witness plates, but once these are done we can make a batch of quenco just like any production line. NOTE single layer at this point in time.


As far as expected results with the ability to have better dielectric strength and thinner layers the use of a 3.1ev emitter (yttrium) in no way limits the quenco, in other words we are totally comfortable with device currents of more than 1,000A per cm2, and we now feel that we can increase the voltage per layer to 100mV. Without question multilayer Quenco will always be limited by the ability to get heat in so talk of 10,000A per cm2 is irrelevant but nonetheless the modelling says that is easily achieved.


I still make the point that the big inventions and tasks ahead are how to use Quenco to it maximum utility. I have said it to many and will say it now, my job is done in February, after the release of the samples to the licencees a lot of money flows to the foundation, not to me, and that becomes the premier research organisation to take Quenco forward.


I note someone called me greedy and such, may i say that is unfair, check the overunity prize and see that I have made the largest pledge of funds, and that my website (crude as it is) stated that all the royalties go to the foundation. My reasoning for not making this open source are based upon a lot of consideration of submissions made from forum members and others. Realities are that only a very small number of people have the money to get things going, without those industrialists quenco cannot do anything for climate change and nothing for the poor. If you believe that open sourcing is a better option then you are mistaken, it sounds good but then so does socialism. The best we can do is to make a good deal with the devil (Capitalism).


Now this really is my last post for this year but I will come back once Quenco is finished so I can gloat at the noted silence of some.


BYE
Hi Philip,
 
I think we should all choose to ignore the attention seeking trolls from this point.  Thank you again for the update and taking the time to write.  Best of luck to you and we will see you in February.
 
Merry Christmas!   :)
 
Bruce

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« Reply #518 on: December 13, 2012, 11:42:04 AM »
Thanks for the info Phil. Hope you have a great Christmas home in Australia.

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« Reply #519 on: December 13, 2012, 03:12:22 PM »
Apparently some nasty troll here wants me to admit I am not good at management, ok I will admit that, I will also say that I am naive, overly optimistic, believe experts, have faith in the overall good of humanity and hope that we are all prepared to be honest with each other when there is so much as stake.

Friend Philip,

It's great, have good news you're okay.

Trolls are very good in the process of show to us the true human nature, we are all selfish, enjoy when others fail just for the pleasure of feeling superior, we are not sensitive to what happens to others, alone we care that we are well and we have the reason.

If we have the pleasure of receiving updates on your progress with Quenco, this does not satisfy us, we always want more and more. These trolls never have enough, if you give them information reports will ask then, if you give one then be asked 2 if you give 2 them will be asked 3 then 3, and so on to infinity, look at the rich, no amount of money is enough for them, always want more and more money without limits. So are we all, our selfishness is not satisfied with anything and always wants more.

Let the trolls alone, they only will change with proper education.

In general human nature constantly make us think on how to have more, how to own more. When we must to develop us, be taught to do the opposite, we must continually think as give more, as we are more sensitive towards other human beings and the planet.

So the solution to the world's problems, not is Quenco, the solution is integral education, learn to think, to reason, learn to be sensitive, to learn to work together, learn to think out of the box, learn to be a real human.

Quenco is a great catalyst of this solution, with money of the foundation, the foundation of Philip, we can change the education system, implementing comprehensive education worldwide, and from there work on solving the other problems of society, food, work, home, etc.. But it all starts with the shift to the right kind of education.

Philip, great work !,You've done a lot in a very short time, has come a long way, and all your efforts will be rewarded with success.

Take a vacation, relax, enjoy share with your family, sure when you return in January to continue working with Quenco, God will arise in your mind great ideas and solutions to soon have a multi-layer Quenco.

Happy holidays to all, 


The Eternal God guide us !

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« Reply #520 on: December 13, 2012, 03:31:38 PM »
Philip:


Keep up the good work and good luck to you!


And a very merry Christmas and happy new year to you and your family.


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« Reply #521 on: December 13, 2012, 04:16:52 PM »
I think we should all choose to ignore the attention seeking trolls from this point. 
Hmmm....Philip is supposedly against namecalling but that's pretty much all you guys are doing.  Calling someone a "troll" is namecalling and also an implicit ad hominem attack.  Look it's ok to like Philip for whatever reasons but there's no reason to let go of your rationality at the same time.  I've got friends who I would never loan more than a dollar to.  They're still my friends but objective data says that they would use the money to hurt themselves or someone else.  So in order to be responsible with my money I have to make decisions about probable outcomes based on objective data.

Likewise with Philip.  You simply have to look at the objective data concerning his ability to deliver and make some kinds of rational dispassionate decisions.  Is he likely to have a good grasp of what it takes to deliver a product on a specified date.  If yes, then at what point do you stop believing that?  How many failures will it take to affect your judgement.  If the answer is "no amount of failures" then you're not really making a rational decision.   Likewise and I hesitate to bring this up here where emotions run your lives but there would, rationally speaking be a point at which a number of failures would tell us that Philip is simply not the man for the job.  Not that he might not have value elsewhere but he simply shouldn't be leading this kind of project.  Especially if there are $100's of millions of dollars invested from other companies (or potential revenue).  Philip has on many occasions told us that his lack of disclosure it to protect the interests of other companies.  Do you really think that such interests don't extend to some level of executive control?  Like I said, all of this sounds like someone who hasn't managed more than a lemonade stand.
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Let the trolls alone, they only will change with proper education.
More namecalling and ad hominem.
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So the solution to the world's problems, not is Quenco, the solution is integral education, learn to think, to reason, learn to be sensitive, to learn to work together, learn to think out of the box, learn to be a real human.
Exactly where does Philp do any of this.  Really Quenco is exceptionally scant on information, like near nothing useful.  Philip can't or won't respond to arguments, has zero doubts (why doesn't that worry anyone?).  This is the world you think is better.  Where everyone tells you unlikely things and never, ever has to produce useful evidence to support this?  Is that really thinking?  It sounds like the opposite.  Philips arguments are by and large arguments from authority...so is that "reasoning" or "thinking"?  Logicians, thinkers would probably say "no".

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Thanks for the info Phil. Hope you have a great Christmas home in Australia.
Where was the info?  If you look closely he spent a fair amount of time talking about things irrelevant to the fact that quencos - which he was expecting to be delivered with barium emitters and require so little finishing work that they would be ready for the international product launch in a couple of days - mostly for pictures.

You also have avoided my question.  What happens in Feb?  Will you still think Philip knows what he's talking about when he says "June".  What about in June?  What if December 2013 he says "for sure in Feb 2014" are you still going to assume that he knows what he's talking about?  If so, when does your judgement shift? 


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« Reply #522 on: December 13, 2012, 05:40:12 PM »
The problem is that many people here are late in arriving. Philip had posted many different updates on his web page describing the Quenco process and theory and at times probably gave more information into it's operation than he wanted.

If you are one of those late people then it simply sucks to be you and you should just get over it and do some research. There are many devices that exhibit similar properties to the operation of a Quenco chip if you look into it.

The tunnel diode has a similar effect but requires a bias current because the barrier is much thicker that the proposed Quenco chip.

Mosfet gate tunneling became a problem when the gate barriers were reduced under 90nm, another similar effect.

In fact, the current limit in CPU is about 65nm and requires reduced voltages so the electrons don't tunnel through.
So you can see that tunneling is a real effect that occurs at a voltage dependent on the barrier thickness.
Now if you can reduce the barrier to something very small like 3nm and you provide a voltage only by the difference in work function of two different metals, then with just a tiny bit of heat, an electron could tunnel the barrier and cause a current to flow.

This is only MY view of a working Quenco based on information from Philip and my own research.
Quenco works not to defy the laws of physics, but because of the laws of physics!

I for one am very convinced that Quenco is a real device that Philip will get into production in a fast time frame.

Just think if Edison was trying to make a light bulb, how some would be calling him a fraud and if it worked he should have it by now and just a flash from his device was not useful and on and on and on, just like they do now with other peoples ventures.

The facts are that most skeptics are just jealous people that have accomplished nothing in their own life and have little self esteem.





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« Reply #523 on: December 13, 2012, 06:03:16 PM »
Lumen:

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The facts are that most skeptics are just jealous people that have accomplished nothing in their own life and have little self esteem.

You have got to be kidding, that's just a nonsensical and gratuitous ad hominem attack.  You and others are uncomfortable with Philips's failure to deliver yet again, so in frustration you attack others that don't share your opinion.  Other contributors to this thread have done the same thing as you.

Shame on all of you that have done this, we are here to discuss Philip and the Quentron free energy proposition.  Try to stick to the subject at hand.

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« Reply #524 on: December 13, 2012, 06:33:48 PM »
More namecalling and ad hominem.Exactly where does Philp do any of this.

Sorry is not just you, everyone have a troll inside also me ! but must be jailed inside.

This is the world you think is better.  Where everyone tells you unlikely things and never, ever has to produce useful evidence to support this?  Is that really thinking?  It sounds like the opposite.  Philips arguments are by and large arguments from authority...so is that "reasoning" or "thinking"?  Logicians, thinkers would probably say "no".

You are late to the party, Philip give us a Theory, drawings, explains, and also very important a simple test,  I do the simple test with the vacuum tube and by myself experiment I can tell you, THIS WORK !   This is real education, try by yourself not just to believe in words in the air from someone.

You also have avoided my question.  What happens in Feb?  Will you still think Philip knows what he's talking about when he says "June".  What about in June?  What if December 2013 he says "for sure in Feb 2014" are you still going to assume that he knows what he's talking about?  If so, when does your judgement shift?

All the life is a learning process, keep one eye open !,  Philip is learning a lot about nano deposition process, then in some time Philip will have a Working Quenco, if this is not in February don't worry, he dont is asking money from us.

If you observe the life with care, we the humans dont have any control about what happen. if you think you have control over your life and your actions, you have not yet seen life carefully. It's just our pride and littleness that makes us think that we are in control of something, the truth is that nothing is under our control. Clearly with this, I'm not saying that we should not plan, you have to plan and prepare everything in advance, but be sure that our plans will be met as design is just the lack of seeing what happens in real life.