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wideyed_tutank

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #495 on: December 12, 2012, 03:35:49 AM »
@vrstud


So you want to be the first one out with a quenco powered vibrator? :)

e2matrix

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #496 on: December 12, 2012, 04:32:49 AM »
Your "first" post?  Not likely!  You simply grab another user name, so that you can talk trash.  You seem a "bit" too eager to see Philip not deliver and to bad mouth him.  It reminds me of two other guys on this forum, who should have been banned a long time ago.
Be PATIENT!  At least he is attempting to do something, and he would not continue to post here if there was nothing to it.  All of you eager beavers, can't wait for either the blueprint or are eager to "prove" why it couldn't possibly work.   Sheesh, dude, why don't you build something, or wind a coil, or build an OCAL Motor.  That's a sure bet winner for you....
 
Cheers,
 
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I agree Bruce this sarkeizen is just a cowardly troll here under another name so he can take cheap shots at someone or a troll who has an agenda of some sort that would be negatively influenced if Quenco succeeds and is under some delusion that his post will hinder Quenco. 

   This sometimes reminds me of the stock market when I was day-trading.   You'd see all the short sellers talking complete trash and BS about a company in the company's forum while all to people holding stock or buying would be posting rumors of over the top profits and fantastic futures.  It was pitifully obvious everyone was trying to influence the stock and very obvious which side each poster was on.   They all had their agenda. 

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #497 on: December 12, 2012, 09:59:57 AM »
@vrstud


So you want to be the first one out with a quenco powered vibrator? :)

Great plan! The  industry is one of the biggest there is :)
Not sure the ladies would like to sink the ambient to -200 deg C though! :)

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #498 on: December 12, 2012, 10:18:44 AM »

The nature of man is to take advantage of others, and we must understand this, and consciously do the opposite.


Philip is doing a great job in many areas that had not worked before, and doing it without asking anything from anyone, not a single dollar. We are to support him as our only investment is patience, something very simple and costs nothing.


Please stop trying to Philip as his slave, and stop demanding and rather look for ways to support it, if only in words.


As I wrote before, if Philip can not have ready Quenco this day, happy to continue to support and waiting.


Philip, please write, to know you're okay physically.


The Eternal God bless to Philip.

Madebymonkeys

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #499 on: December 12, 2012, 10:26:59 AM »
Tell me Mary; do you think that by appearing here and lazily pushing PJHs buttons with another of your breathily enthusiastic sock-puppets, you've managed to increase or decrease the chances of an update from the horses mouth?

Who is Mary?
I think neither increased or decreased. He announced to this audience (you included) some awesome claims, 100% proven technology available immediately etc. To then ignore the audience is somewhat odd - think of him on the 'stage' with the audience sat down.....PJH, the speaker, states the awesome claims and says 'I will be back after the break to demonstrate to the world how this will change it' etc....the break starts, he goes to get a coffee.........and doesnt come back, the audience are sat there wondering what has happened, people look at their watches, people get more agitated, people cry hoax etc.
You do see what I mean right?

Everyone works hard (everyone I employ or know at least) but spending a few minutes to tell your 'audience', be it your friends, colleagues, family whats going on is valuable. Even if the news is bad, its good to talk (as BT said!).

The old saying 'no news is good news' doesnt hold true all the time.....in fact, almost none of the time.

Seriously though, a few minutes for an update to his audience would do him a lot of favours.

You do have to excuse me for getting a bit annoyed but I feel like I have been duped, hoodwinked into believing in something which is panning out in the same way as all other OU technologies. Snakeoil.

Nothing is pointing to a successful conclusion of the Quenco project just yet although I genuinely do hope the scientists and engineers missed something and its real (on a useful level as quoted by PJH - 10kW etc).
 
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I don't mean the chances of anything remotely interesting being observed - which is not affected by anyone's belief, opinions or attitude. Just the chances that he'll give an update of any kind?


What do you reckon?

As above, I dont think its increased or decreased the chance. It takes a few minutes to post an update - posting a Quenco demo would change the mood considerably!
The 'big reveal' is scheduled for today - lets see. Shame the Quenco site is down - there is now no public way of rescheduling the date!

mbm

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« Reply #500 on: December 12, 2012, 10:34:35 AM »
The nature of man is to take advantage of others, and we must understand this, and consciously do the opposite.


Philip is doing a great job in many areas that had not worked before, and doing it without asking anything from anyone, not a single dollar. We are to support him as our only investment is patience, something very simple and costs nothing.


Please stop trying to Philip as his slave, and stop demanding and rather look for ways to support it, if only in words.


As I wrote before, if Philip can not have ready Quenco this day, happy to continue to support and waiting.


Philip, please write, to know you're okay physically.


The Eternal God bless to Philip.

I think you are missing the point.

mrsean2k

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #501 on: December 12, 2012, 01:16:45 PM »
"Who is Mary?"

Well that's a question a few people have been interested in. I'm not personally, in the definitive sense; who you are IRL is irrelevant.

But I address myself to your continuum of dull sock puppets, as you are well aware.

In terms of your response, you (and others) pushed a few buttons and got the response you were after. You now want to play wide-eyed innocence and chuck in a few light hearted exclamation marks! again, well your schtick is as monotonous as ever. Any one with a brain is aware of the issues, anyone without doesn't care what they are.


What favour do you believe he needs from anyone here, that would be served by an update? If there is anything interesting your favours aren't needed; if there isn't, your favours are pointless.

Madebymonkeys

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« Reply #502 on: December 12, 2012, 02:15:20 PM »
"Who is Mary?"

Well that's a question a few people have been interested in. I'm not personally, in the definitive sense; who you are IRL is irrelevant.

But I address myself to your continuum of dull sock puppets, as you are well aware.

Apologies, I dont follow what the "who is Mary" and "sock puppet" comments mean - can you explain?

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In terms of your response, you (and others) pushed a few buttons and got the response you were after. You now want to play wide-eyed innocence and chuck in a few light hearted exclamation marks! again, well your schtick is as monotonous as ever. Any one with a brain is aware of the issues, anyone without doesn't care what they are.

Explanation marks, smilies, I love 'em. Its about the only way you can put a forum post into some kind of context (humorous, angry etc). The standard assumption here is that everythings said by a skeptic is said in an angry or sarcastic tone, TBH most of it is the latter.

With regards to the issues, I am not sure that I am aware of the issues and I do have a brain. Can you clarify what the issues are (if you have a brain?).....wait for it........!
I also think that if some of the issues were shared on here we have enough collective intelligence to at least have some valid input to help solve them. Since its a closed ship we have no visibility.
PJH Has a priority date on the patent so he has some level of protection.

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What favour do you believe he needs from anyone here, that would be served by an update? If there is anything interesting your favours aren't needed; if there isn't, your favours are pointless.

Sharing the issues and having our collective intelligence help him work through them. Thats what seems to happen on this forum, people have a go at a project and run into trouble and ask for help...which is generally given. Thats kind of the point of the forum. Its not a 'look at this, its 100% proven and will change the world, but I cannot prove it or share info' forum....or is it?

He is having issues, he has at least said that  -(and you have made clear that anyone with a brain is aware of the issues) how about sharing the issues and getting some help, where is the problem?

If his claims are true then 'changing the world' could, potentially, only be held back by these issues.

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #503 on: December 12, 2012, 04:38:34 PM »
That would be the bedroom tinkering :P  Besides, wouldn't be too popular, lets make you cold and "hot" at the same time.


@vrstud


So you want to be the first one out with a quenco powered vibrator? :)

sarkeizen

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #504 on: December 12, 2012, 07:04:45 PM »
Your "first" post?  Not likely!  You simply grab another user name, so that you can talk trash. 
You are simply and completely wrong.
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Be PATIENT!  At least he is attempting to do something, and he would not continue to post here if there was nothing to it.
It's not a question of patience period.  Either Philip is a competent manager or he isn't.  If you want me believe that Quenco really works then that forces me to believe he is poor at managing this endeavour.

Philip hasn't updated the Quenco site because he has no functioning quencos.  It's very likely that he can't have them as any Maxwell's Demon device is essentially a computing device.  The fact that Philip maintains that there is some 2LOT hole at the quantum level not only breaks Lord Kelvins interpretation of 2LOT it would also likely violates algorithmic information theory.
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I agree Bruce this sarkeizen is just a cowardly troll here under another name so he can take cheap shots at someone
...and of course if TWO people think something it MUST be true.

I'm here because this is a place Phil posts and I think it's worth mentioning how long and hard he's pushed the "it's almost there button".  Believe if you want in Quencoism but you also must believe that Phil is a lousy manager...or cook up some special definition of "good manager" which includes his poor practices.

MileHigh

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« Reply #505 on: December 12, 2012, 08:26:52 PM »
So unfortunaely Quentron is not delivering on the "promised delayed date" after December 1st was promised as the "real drop-dead date."

I am not surprised at all.  Lumen and a few others around here can eat crow.  Lumen even had the gall to upload a picture of "crow pie" about three weeks ago to "shame" the skeptics and I posted back that you shouldn't count your chickens before they were hatched.

This whole thing has more holes in it than a Swiss cheese and I could write up a long posting detailing them but I won't bother.

All I can do is ask the fanboys to do some soul searching.  Why can't you ask some polite technical questions of these dubious free energy promoters or politely ask for some evidence of prototypes, preliminary test data, whatever?  Instead all that you do is cheer and otherwise you are mute in anticipation.  If any of you had the desire and will to ask Philip some basic reasonable questions the cracks in the foundation would have started to show right away.

MileHigh

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« Reply #506 on: December 12, 2012, 09:37:01 PM »
You are simply and completely wrong.It's not a question of patience period.  Either Philip is a competent manager or he isn't.  If you want me believe that Quenco really works then that forces me to believe he is poor at managing this endeavour.

Philip hasn't updated the Quenco site because he has no functioning quencos.  It's very likely that he can't have them as any Maxwell's Demon device is essentially a computing device.  The fact that Philip maintains that there is some 2LOT hole at the quantum level not only breaks Lord Kelvins interpretation of 2LOT it would also likely violates algorithmic information theory....and of course if TWO people think something it MUST be true.

I'm here because this is a place Phil posts and I think it's worth mentioning how long and hard he's pushed the "it's almost there button".  Believe if you want in Quencoism but you also must believe that Phil is a lousy manager...or cook up some special definition of "good manager" which includes his poor practices.

and how many cutting edge never-before-done earth changing projects have you accomplished to be such a bloody expert on how things are done and how long it takes????  U show up here on Dec. 7th for first time and your first post is trying to shred somebodies reputation? 

 U aren't fooling anyone here.  u are nothing but an f***ing troll with bad intentions and much of what you said is outright lies.   

i'd expect a new technology like this to take 5 to 10 years to be in production.   right now we are being asked to wait until feb. 2013 for a product release and 6 more months for it to be in full production.   i think that is amazing if it happens that fast.   details are up on quentron.com with good explanations.   i fully expected it wouldn't happen before end of this year. 

 he says all technical details have been resolved.  the only thing it requires now is patience.

sarkeizen

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« Reply #507 on: December 12, 2012, 10:21:24 PM »
and how many cutting edge never-before-done earth changing projects have you accomplished to be such a bloody expert on how things are done and how long it takes????
That's the point about things which have never been done before.  You don't know how long it takes.  So it is bad management to say you do.  Philip says he does - frequently - and has been wrong every. single. time. For well over a year.

It would be different if you had a working part made through the same process then scaling up would, in theory be possible to determine how long something would take.  However even *then* companies often miss the mark.   So you build your schedules with the necessary slack time.  Philip, even if he had a working part of this kind, which he probably doesn't doesn't  do this.  He is a *bad* manager.
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U show up here on Dec. 7th
11th.  Not 7th.
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for first time and your first post is trying to shred somebodies reputation?
So I'm trying to keep score.  Is that one vote for my post on the 11th for being my first and two votes for me being someone else who has posted before? Or are you being ironic and that's three (poorly informed) votes for me being someone else?
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much of what you said is outright lies.
I notice that you forgot to mention exactly *what* you think is a lie.
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i'd expect a new technology like this to take 5 to 10 years to be in production.
Then it's bad to tell people it will be just a few months...and it's even worse to keep telling people that each time you don't make your deadline right?  Just like Philip.
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right now we are being asked to wait until feb. 2013
Which is exactly what he said last year, at just about this time.
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details are up on quentron.com with good explanations.
Only if you haven't been listening to him.  According to the last site update it sounded an awful lot like he was expecting a shipment of quencos with barium emitters.  According to him it takes very little to package or use the device (don't you remember when he was talking about using them as hearing aid batteries? He said this.).  At the very least it would be possible to wire one by hand.

Now if I'm wrong there (or Philip is telling less than the truth) and the quencos do require significant finishing.  Then any manager that wasn't horrible would have booked that equipment in advance rather than miss an INTERNATIONAL PRODUCT LAUNCH date.  If you didn't then you know right well you probably wouldn't have made the date.    If you know that you won't hit a product launch and you keep telling people you will - you are a *bad* manager.  Today (or yesterday if he was running on ACT) was the *PRODUCT LAUNCH* that means there is PRODUCT that is usable in some sense of the term. 

Evidence suggests that Philip either is a terrible manager or he simply does not have functioning Quencos.
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i fully expected it wouldn't happen before end of this year. 
So did I but Philip said otherwise.
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he says all technical details have been resolved.  the only thing it requires now is patience.
So far Philip has shown himself to be an abysmal manager.  Why would you take the word of a bad manager on an issue which is primarily about production.  Feel free to accept his opinion as a (geo) physicist or an EE or whatever.
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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #508 on: December 13, 2012, 02:18:17 AM »
Oh well we will have to wait for February to come around, lets hope all the teething troubles will be ironed out by then.

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« Reply #509 on: December 13, 2012, 02:26:20 AM »
Oh well we will have to wait for February to come around, lets hope all the teething troubles will be ironed out by then.
...and if not...when do you stop believing?

Also consider that Philip says: "For those waiting for this to become a reality all I can say is that I have no doubt we will succeed in February"

No doubt...a complete absence of uncertainty.  If he doesn't make it in Feb will you at least admit he knows zero about managing delivery schedules?