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Madebymonkeys

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #480 on: December 09, 2012, 01:14:31 AM »
If you want to give it away then you better have a patent on it or someone else will patent it and prevent you from giving it away.

Hmm. I don't know the full legalities but it 'should' be difficult to claim novelty (and a subsequent monopoly) on something which is fully documented (to the point where someone 'skilled in the art' could replicate) and in the public domain already?

Hey, just noticed the date....72hrs (ish) until the Quenco launch - I bet it will be postponed due to unspecified issues unrelated to Quenco again. :(

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« Reply #481 on: December 09, 2012, 07:32:05 AM »
The little RED QuenCO
 
I suppose the Story should have had a few addendums?
 
Perhaps they came in and pestered the Hen for not being Timely with the
schedule of her work,    Mocking her a bit for the delays.
 
Yes ,That would be a good addition ....""look she said she would be done with the harvest by now .......... what a liar !!""""
Or       """OHHH look the stove needs wood ....How will she ever Hold that promise Now???? [Snicker Giggle]"""
 
But all things considered it still ends the same....
 
Cept this ain't a fairy tail !
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« Reply #482 on: December 09, 2012, 08:12:44 AM »
Stefan,  I'm not sure who you are referring to by this post but if it's Phil I think you have him pegged completely wrong.  I'm not sure if it was posted here or in some of the email (not PM but email) messages I've had with him but he (and I do assume people are being honest unless proven otherwise) has said he is not out to get rich on this by any means.  He said he just wants to be able to retire to a small chicken ranch.  As I understand it most of the money from licensing will go into a foundation that will provide Quenco devices to those who really need it and can't afford it including many third world countries that have no power and no clean water due to lack of power.  Everything in my life experience (and training to hire quality people) tells me Phil is a very altruistic humanitarian that will do great things for the people of this planet if Quenco can succeed in navigating all the stumbling blocks placed along the path to success in getting this out to the world.   My only concern at this time is whether something this potentially Earth changing will be allowed to go fully forward.  In the long run I have no doubt it will be for the best of all but along the way many established businesses will likely take a big fall.  But new ones will spring up and I think a real revolution will take place in the way so many things are done.


Phil could at least post a  few pictures of his cells driving something like an LED...
If he wanted to come out with it he should by now have prototypes that run...

Regarding the patents, if you open source something like this, nobody else could patent it,....
but if some companies have the right lawyer force and enough money they can always change some few minor
details and patent it then... probably only depends on how much money you spent for the patent lawyers to come
up with a "solution" to "be liked" by the patent office...

Anyway, if this would be put up into open source at least the guys who want to replicate it could
use the exact "recipe" and use it without paying patent license fees...

Well although it is probably almost impossible to do nanometer structure layers for the common tinker man... ;=)

Madebymonkeys

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« Reply #483 on: December 09, 2012, 08:34:21 PM »

Phil could at least post a  few pictures of his cells driving something like an LED...
If he wanted to come out with it he should by now have prototypes that run...

Totally agree.

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Regarding the patents, if you open source something like this, nobody else could patent it,....
but if some companies have the right lawyer force and enough money they can always change some few minor
details and patent it then... probably only depends on how much money you spent for the patent lawyers to come
up with a "solution" to "be liked" by the patent office...

Very true, this would also be true even if it isn't open source. If there is money to be made then one man (or one foundation) won't hold all the cards, it simply won't be allowed.

If a license ever gets sold (money actually changing hands between companies) it will be for the purpose of gaining info and refining the process and improving it....at which point the license won't need a renewal, the company won't need to pay royalties, and the company can offer a better, cheaper product (potentially!). Basically patents can be worked around like you say!

Companies work around patents all the time, its a legitimate part of business.

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Anyway, if this would be put up into open source at least the guys who want to replicate it could
use the exact "recipe" and use it without paying patent license fees...

And work together for the greater good :)

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Well although it is probably almost impossible to do nanometer structure layers for the common tinker man... ;=)

And Stanford so it seems :)

Stick with fusion!

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« Reply #484 on: December 10, 2012, 12:43:22 AM »
There are many people who believe that giving free stuff is the solution to all problems, no, that's not the solution, because the problem was never a lack of things, the problem is always lack of proper education.

In my country Venezuela, given away everything you need, if you need to house the government gives it to you, if you need food the government gives it, up gives gasoline. The result is that people do not like working, prefer constantly asking the government for their needs, as well as those things are free they are not appreciated, everything quickly becomes corrupted, there is no maintenance. We want to invite you to come to my country to have it checked for yourself.

Everyone should have the opportunity  to have everything what they need, but not given, everything has to be paid with some kind of work, there is no reason for the rich can have car but not the poor, the two should be able to have both a car and be able to do something for society in exchange, which is what provides them the car and where it is used.

100% support the policies of Philip, even licending seems cheap, as any nanotechnology factory costs billions , ask how much it costs a factory intel.

Proper education, it solves all the problems of society is to learn: do not do to another what you do not like them to do to you. That means being sensitive to the needs of others, involves working for society, involves limiting what you expect to receive and increase what you give, and so on.

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« Reply #485 on: December 10, 2012, 05:47:30 PM »
There are many people who believe that giving free stuff is the solution to all problems, no, that's not the solution, because the problem was never a lack of things, the problem is always lack of proper education.

I think you have the wrong end of the stick - give the information away for free in order to have more institutions working on making Quenco a reality.
Nobody will give Quenco away for free, that could be counterproductive in some instances, as you suggest.

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In my country Venezuela, given away everything you need, if you need to house the government gives it to you, if you need food the government gives it, up gives gasoline. The result is that people do not like working, prefer constantly asking the government for their needs, as well as those things are free they are not appreciated, everything quickly becomes corrupted, there is no maintenance. We want to invite you to come to my country to have it checked for yourself.

No need, it's the same here in the UK (and probably everywhere else with a welfare state!).

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Everyone should have the opportunity  to have everything what they need, but not given, everything has to be paid with some kind of work, there is no reason for the rich can have car but not the poor, the two should be able to have both a car and be able to do something for society in exchange, which is what provides them the car and where it is used.

I agree, but giving the info away is my suggestion (not the product) - so that everyone can help to push an actual product to market....more people, more research, more chances of hitting a working solution.

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100% support the policies of Philip, even licending seems cheap, as any nanotechnology factory costs billions , ask how much it costs a factory intel.

Proper education, it solves all the problems of society is to learn: do not do to another what you do not like them to do to you. That means being sensitive to the needs of others, involves working for society, involves limiting what you expect to receive and increase what you give, and so on.

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« Reply #486 on: December 11, 2012, 04:18:50 PM »
My answer is simple, Quenco is 100% genuine, it has nothing in common with all the BS claims of Bedini, Steorn, Peswiki.
And 100% not here...

I've been looking through the past posts here and even found that moletrap place Philip mentioned...he has been promising and promising and promising...despite several times saying "next week" or "in a few months".   For well over a year.   It's hard to believe that there isn't a systemic problem here.   It doesn't have to be with Quenco it can just as easily be that Philip is inept.  Think about it, would you accept a years worth of "it's only a few weeks away" excuses from one of your employees before you turfed them?

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All those that have engaged with me privately and have an assigned or reserved licence I trust are 100% happy with me.
The weird thing here is that this should be compelling to absolutely nobody and it's a complete mystery as to why anyone anywhere would find it so.

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I am sick and tired of being asked to prove my honesty and I do not see why I have to prove a single damn thing to any skeptic.
You don't *have* to prove anything (prove is not a very good word - "provide evidence" is better) and as a result you should be content with the fact that your sincerity is worthless.

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Similarly I have pulled down the website.
Oh even though the quencos are available TODAY by your statements?  Right now?  Just a few days before the absolute final deadline and total and legitimate launch.  Seems like if you had just waited two days you wouldn't have to prove anything at all.  Quencos would be right there converting heat into energy.

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Quenco is 100% real proved physics, the implementation at the scale of 2nm is very hard to do, we are still working on it.
I thought real proved physics MEANS implementation.  Can you have real proved physics without actually implementing anything?

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There are now a number or commercial partners who are fully behind commercialising the Quenco.
This is hard to believe unless we are talking about companies populated by Philip himself...but I guess if Firepower happened once it might happen again.

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I have spent a small fortune and a chunk of my life doing this for the benefit of all.
Which can't possibly skew your perceptions at all now can they....

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Call me a liar or scammer in the same breath as you mention Steorn or Sterling or Rossi if you want, but you know I am not.
For over a year these things were supposed to be in peoples hands.  Either you are inept or you are not quite telling people the truth.

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All I have done is try to share with you all what I could, some have appreciated that, some have ridiculed me.
Some would have liked for you to make promises you could keep.  It has been the same "it's almost done" for over a year.

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I will do exactly that, I intend to ask the famous Australian Skeptic Dick Smith to do the testing.
That doesn't make much sense.  Dick Smith is a patron of a skeptical society he isn't a physicist or engineer.   Perhaps a group of people chosen by him.

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Just for fun let me tell you that he offered me $1Million for a 5Kw power source, I offered him a $20M Tesla powered by Quenco. He declined, whereas he offered Rossi $1M and Rossi declined. Of course I admit I was a little ahead of myself but also in our communication was that I offered to pay Dick a penalty of some thousands of dollars if I failed to deliver, note he was not required to pay any deposit. Of course you can ask Dick if this is true, and you can surmise from such that I am genuine, but of course you cannot know if I am deluded, only my commercial partners have enough knowledge to make such a judgement. I contacted Tesla but they refused to sell me a car without batteries.

So wait...wait.  He offered to pay you for something, you offered to give him something else entirely, offered to pay him penalties if you didn't deliver.  You didn't give him either the thing he asked for or the thing you offered or pay the penalty fees.....and how exactly does this say anything about the technology you have?

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Anyhow that really is my last comment here.
I doubt it.

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« Reply #487 on: December 11, 2012, 09:01:47 PM »
Tomorrow is the day.  I for one look forward to reading the white paper and test results. 

If you're listening Philip, there are a lot of us waiting with bated breath. 

BTW - Let me know when/where I can purchase one for my tinkering in the basement :)



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« Reply #488 on: December 11, 2012, 10:26:48 PM »
Tomorrow is the day.  I for one look forward to reading the white paper and test results. 

If you're listening Philip, there are a lot of us waiting with bated breath. 

BTW - Let me know when/where I can purchase one for my tinkering in the basement :)

Me too! Hopefully there won't be a 'catch 22' where you can't have a sample until you pay a million and you won't pay a million unless you have a sample!

The 'small fan' demo would be enough to get me believing, but right now.....I will eat my shorts if it happens :)

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« Reply #489 on: December 11, 2012, 11:39:46 PM »
Please Mr.Hardcastle, do for all of us the 'small fan' demo
cause I -like many other ,too- want to see 'Madebymonkeys: live on stage' eating all his shorts (plural  ;D ) !

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« Reply #490 on: December 12, 2012, 12:06:21 AM »
Please Mr.Hardcastle, do for all of us the 'small fan' demo
cause I -like many other ,too- want to see 'Madebymonkeys: live on stage' eating all his shorts (plural  ;D ) !

Sincerely
                 CdL

Hehehe, hmmmm ....shorts.........doh!

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« Reply #491 on: December 12, 2012, 12:32:37 AM »
And 100% not here...

I've been looking through the past posts here and even found that moletrap place Philip mentioned...he has been promising and promising and promising...despite several times saying "next week" or "in a few months".   For well over a year.   It's hard to believe that there isn't a systemic problem here.   It doesn't have to be with Quenco it can just as easily be that Philip is inept.  Think about it, would you accept a years worth of "it's only a few weeks away" excuses from one of your employees before you turfed them?
The weird thing here is that this should be compelling to absolutely nobody and it's a complete mystery as to why anyone anywhere would find it so.
You don't *have* to prove anything (prove is not a very good word - "provide evidence" is better) and as a result you should be content with the fact that your sincerity is worthless.
Oh even though the quencos are available TODAY by your statements?  Right now?  Just a few days before the absolute final deadline and total and legitimate launch.  Seems like if you had just waited two days you wouldn't have to prove anything at all.  Quencos would be right there converting heat into energy.
I thought real proved physics MEANS implementation.  Can you have real proved physics without actually implementing anything?
This is hard to believe unless we are talking about companies populated by Philip himself...but I guess if Firepower happened once it might happen again.
Which can't possibly skew your perceptions at all now can they....
For over a year these things were supposed to be in peoples hands.  Either you are inept or you are not quite telling people the truth.
Some would have liked for you to make promises you could keep.  It has been the same "it's almost done" for over a year.
That doesn't make much sense.  Dick Smith is a patron of a skeptical society he isn't a physicist or engineer.   Perhaps a group of people chosen by him.

So wait...wait.  He offered to pay you for something, you offered to give him something else entirely, offered to pay him penalties if you didn't deliver.  You didn't give him either the thing he asked for or the thing you offered or pay the penalty fees.....and how exactly does this say anything about the technology you have?
I doubt it.
Your "first" post?  Not likely!  You simply grab another user name, so that you can talk trash.  You seem a "bit" too eager to see Philip not deliver and to bad mouth him.  It reminds me of two other guys on this forum, who should have been banned a long time ago.
Be PATIENT!  At least he is attempting to do something, and he would not continue to post here if there was nothing to it.  All of you eager beavers, can't wait for either the blueprint or are eager to "prove" why it couldn't possibly work.   Sheesh, dude, why don't you build something, or wind a coil, or build an OCAL Motor.  That's a sure bet winner for you....
 
Cheers,
 
Bruce

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« Reply #492 on: December 12, 2012, 12:42:58 AM »
Quentron.com is still 'under construction', I'll bet Mr. Hardcastle and his team are busy working behind the scenes to make this launch one for the history books. 

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« Reply #493 on: December 12, 2012, 01:25:27 AM »
Your "first" post?  Not likely!  You simply grab another user name, so that you can talk trash.  You seem a "bit" too eager to see Philip not deliver and to bad mouth him.  It reminds me of two other guys on this forum, who should have been banned a long time ago.
Be PATIENT!  At least he is attempting to do something, and he would not continue to post here if there was nothing to it.  All of you eager beavers, can't wait for either the blueprint or are eager to "prove" why it couldn't possibly work.   Sheesh, dude, why don't you build something, or wind a coil, or build an OCAL Motor.  That's a sure bet winner for you....
 
Cheers,
 
Bruce

To be honest, Sarkaizen could have a point - it has been a lot of missed promises. A familiar pattern?
I have built lots of things (not related to OU) and yes, sometimes things are hard to do. But very few things appear to be approaching completion (a few days from completion in Quenco's case!) and then get delayed by so long....repeatedly.

As for being eager for the blueprint (haven't heard the word 'blueprint' since an old 007 movie!), I don't see an issue with that. The world ain't going to change if there is one patent holder sat in an ivory tower holding all the companies who could actually produce the stuff to ransom. Given that we aren't going to see any working demo tomorrow, I still maintain that it should be open sourced. I don't see the issue with that really - do you?
I know PJH has to cover the costs etc but that will be easy if a working demo can be created - money shouldn't be an issue at that point.

As for proving it couldn't work, many scientists have already done that - something to do with entropy but I am not an expert! That's not to say this isn't a new thing.....who knows, certainly not me.
You could also suggest that even PJH has proven it not to work - nobody knows otherwise, unless you have seen the Quenco demo over at Stanford in preparation for tomorrow!?

I am assuming it won't work and we will never see it (Quenco) - that's based on what I have read on this forum, the history of PJHs project, the familiar 'Steorn' pattern, the worldwide network of scientists who work with these materials every day not 'coming up with something' and also what I have read on the subject and the basic problems which make it next to impossible to achieve.

People who think that Quenco will work appear to be basing their opinion on hope (which is fine). I base my opinions on at least some facts and technical knowledge!

MBM

PS: It would be great if it works tomorrow - does anyone know what time PJH will break cover? Have any of his supporters had any contact?

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« Reply #494 on: December 12, 2012, 02:05:01 AM »
Tell me Mary; do you think that by appearing here and lazily pushing PJHs buttons with another of your breathily enthusiastic sock-puppets, you've managed to increase or decrease the chances of an update from the horses mouth?


I don't mean the chances of anything remotely interesting being observed - which is not affected by anyone's belief, opinions or attitude. Just the chances that he'll give an update of any kind?


What do you reckon?