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Philip Hardcastle

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #345 on: November 02, 2012, 04:12:38 PM »
Hi All,


I am making a special posting here today to explain the changes to the Quenco long term strategy.


First a quick update on the technical issues.


I am pleased to announce that the biggest hurdle to manufacture has been solved, I cannot reveal the details because that is subject to a new patent application, what I can tell you is that the change means fabrication is now no longer exotic and difficult, and yields can now be guaranteed to be near 100%. Of course we are a long way from being able to do 1000 layer devices.


Now the changes to Quenco strategy, some time ago a lot of people here gave me their thoughts and they made sense to the point that I increased the royalty to $100 per cm2, I am no longer comfortable with that level and so I have reduced it back to my earlier pricing. It does mean a substantial drop to the foundation but in the end the needs of the environment and all the people come first. Early adoption of technology is very important and so the barriers must be kept low, even the licence fees are reduced to get the thing going asap.


The charitable foundation will have as its prime goal to produce quenco for the poor and the foundation will have a licence such that the income it receives can be efficiently applied to produce massive amounts of free quenco for those unable to afford it. Clearly this means production of billions of cm2 for the 3rd World.


It is my view that this is the best strategy.


As to the removal of the challenge, firstly there was not a single taker despite it generating an amazing amount of hits, secondly the feedback was hostile and nasty. Thirdly, and most importantly, it probably was just me being a bit childish and naive, the fact is the best proof is a fully operational quenco. So I am simplifying and focussing on that, and that alone.


Phil

e2matrix

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #346 on: November 02, 2012, 06:58:31 PM »
More great news!   Thanks again for the updates.   Sorry to hear this didn't bring in big business interests yet but I suspect it's so far above what most people can believe that until some sort of device is "in their face and hands" and see a working unit that interest may be a bit slack.   You show both great knowledge and high Integrity Philip.   I am always left with a good feeling in reading your updates.     In case others haven't looked lately at the web site here's something for you from quentron.com:

                              "   The only acceptable proof of such a device is a working device

                                                                         So be here

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #347 on: November 02, 2012, 07:44:57 PM »
@Phil

That's the ticket, are the colonies civilised enough to sell Watneys and pork pies yet and do they have PG tips? ;)

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« Reply #348 on: November 03, 2012, 03:16:38 AM »
It really is very laudable, good intention of Philip, desire that this development comes quickly to those in need. And encourage her friends and colleagues in this great challenge, the generator thermionic, which has taken so many years.

But we must be realistic, Quenco price will be high for the first to use it, regardless of the price of the license, because although you can make a high production, demand, will be much more large, therefore the price to the consumer will be high.  Therefore if the license is cheap, what will happen is that the manufacturer  and intermediaries  they will remain with much of the gain, and Philip will have minimal income compared with manufacturers, being philip, the most time and money has risked in this invention.

We propose the following.
Limit 100 licenses.
$ 10 royalty per cm2.
$ 10M Application fee per license.
$ 10M Annual renewal fee.

This is the reasoning:
The companies that will be asking Quenco licenses, and they will mass produce, are Intel, Samsung, TSMC, Global Foundries, Samsung, Micron, Toshiba, etc.. These companies are accustomed to pay hundreds of millions of dollars for licenses, semiconductor, ie $ 1 million is nothing for these companies, lawyers may charge more money to write a contract of these characteristics, more that what it costs the license. For example, Intel paid this year 2.3 billion dollars for a stake of 10% in a company of semiconductor wafer fabrication.

If philip, want to help a friend, to facilitate the entry, production, Quenco because philip can directly give the discount, you want.

For the foundation proposed by philip, its purpose it should be bring solutions for the production of food, housing, water and electricity.  At cost and long-term financed. The poor do not need, Quenco and they will not know how to use it, they need solutions that work with Quenco. What could happen is that unscrupulous brokers would use these free Quenco,  making profit of the needs of the poor.

The solution to the problems of the people, is not give anything for free, because that's filled with shame, and takes away the possibility of earning their own living, and to develop themselves as individuals and as a society . What we you have to do is provide all the tools and conditions for they can have a decent life, not charging interest, giving them time and work, so they can afford what they really need.

An individual without dignity, is dependent of what you always give to him. This being the opposite of the result sought.

Note: Again we do the pentode experiment, and this reached a maximum of 3.9 micro ampere, just before melting. (Much more, than 0.3 micro ampere in previous test).

MileHigh

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #349 on: November 03, 2012, 03:57:48 AM »
Elisha:

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Note: Again we do the pentode experiment, and this reached a maximum of 3.9 micro ampere, just before melting. (Much more, than 0.3 micro ampere in previous test).
   
I hate to say this, but it's time for everybody in this thread to get real.  People that want to believe in free energy cannot simply close their eyes to the truth.

Seamus103 already stated it in posting #339 but you did not want to acknowledge it and no one else did either.  Your experimental setup is clearly not an isothermal setup, it's a toaster oven!  A toaster oven can't even make evenly browned toast.  The heating element cycles on and off according to the setting of the thermostat.  That does not product a constant temperature, that produces a variable temperature.  In addition, the parts of the pentode tube that are closer to the heating element will be hotter than the parts of the pentode tube that are farther away from the heating element.

Unfortunately you haven't replicated anything.  That is the truth and if it's upsetting to you, channel your frustration in a positive way.  Try to make a better experimental apparatus.  A toaster oven will simply not work, sorry.

The truth is without any specialized equipment, the chances are very slim that you will be able to make an isothermal oven.

MileHigh

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #350 on: November 03, 2012, 04:57:00 PM »
@Elisha

Nice, but you ought to save your money, we should all know within about a month when Stanford have successfully fabricated the millimetre baby Quencos.

When tests on them show a small current without an oven then bingo!

lumen

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« Reply #351 on: November 04, 2012, 06:40:10 AM »
Anyone that thinks a toaster oven is not sufficient for this test is severely limited in problem solving.

1: Heat the tube and record the current and polarity. Let the oven cool down and rotate the tube 180 degrees. Reheat and record the current and polarity. Is it the same polarity? If yes then it works.

2: Place the tube on a rotating shaft and slowly rotate while heating. Does it produce an alternating current? If no, then it works.

Wow, tested in a toaster oven without expensive isothermal oven.



TinselKoala

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #352 on: November 04, 2012, 08:00:22 AM »
Anyone that thinks a toaster oven is not sufficient for this test is severely limited in problem solving.

1: Heat the tube and record the current and polarity. Let the oven cool down and rotate the tube 180 degrees. Reheat and record the current and polarity. Is it the same polarity? If yes then it works.

2: Place the tube on a rotating shaft and slowly rotate while heating. Does it produce an alternating current? If no, then it works.

Wow, tested in a toaster oven without expensive isothermal oven.

If yes, then it works? If no, then it works?

Really? So your tests in the toaster oven are ruling out ANY OTHER POSSIBLE explanation for seeing a current indicated on the instrumentation? 

Wow, your toaster oven must be really something. Do you put the meter in there too, so it's not acting as a cold sink for some thermoelectric effect?

MileHigh

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« Reply #353 on: November 04, 2012, 02:08:28 PM »
Lumen:

Your comments are nonsensical.  You are implicitly conceding that the toaster oven is not an isothermal environment but you have a Lumen-inspired "work around" for the problem.  Just rotate the tubes like barbecue chicken and if they produce current in a variable-temperature environment then all must be fine.

Your "problem solving" is severely limited.

MileHigh

lumen

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #354 on: November 04, 2012, 07:37:53 PM »
If yes, then it works? If no, then it works?

Really? So your tests in the toaster oven are ruling out ANY OTHER POSSIBLE explanation for seeing a current indicated on the instrumentation? 

Wow, your toaster oven must be really something. Do you put the meter in there too, so it's not acting as a cold sink for some thermoelectric effect?

Absolutely! Yes for test #1 and No for test #2.
These are separate tests so they have separate answers for the true condition.

Do you doubt the tests ability to determine if the result is due to uneven heating?

Of course, there is always the possibility that just after you rotate the tube 180 degrees, the toaster oven will suddenly reverse it's heat flow direction just to mess with your test. (maybe it's a smart toaster oven!)

It may even rotate the heating direction to match the tube rotation in test #2 so only one side of the tube will get heat. Yes it's a magic convection toaster oven!

Or, maybe the tests actually work as described. (naw, this is impossible in view of the other probabilities)

Cold sink!, Yes, first show me one that uses the same wire type for both sides of the connection! Oh, and test #3, Swap the wires connected to the tube and repeat tests #1 and #2.

Where is the "Cold Sink "idea now? Gee, I don't see it!

All the equipment in the world does not produce a good test, analytical thinking is the best equipment.

lumen

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #355 on: November 06, 2012, 07:48:41 AM »
Lumen:

Your comments are nonsensical.  You are implicitly conceding that the toaster oven is not an isothermal environment but you have a Lumen-inspired "work around" for the problem.  Just rotate the tubes like barbecue chicken and if they produce current in a variable-temperature environment then all must be fine.

Your "problem solving" is severely limited.

MileHigh

Umm, works for chicken!

The idea is that if uneven heating is a problem, it will show up as changing polarity or changing current, provided the tube is rotated slowly. If the tube is rotated rapidly then there could be no such thing as uneven heating even if you used a cheap heat gun!

So think about that limited problem solving.

It doesn't really make any difference now since it appears Philip has his Quenco chips working!

"We now know how to produce almost perfect Quenco's,
and we will make a 2cm x 2cm array of 4mm2 Quenco's,
mounted on a 115.5 x 62.1 x 12.3 mm heat absorber.
 
We will use this array to perpetually power an iPhone,
an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary proof,
a witnessed working device."

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #356 on: November 06, 2012, 05:41:42 PM »
Lumen:

Your comments are nonsensical.  You are implicitly conceding that the toaster oven is not an isothermal environment but you have a Lumen-inspired "work around" for the problem.  Just rotate the tubes like barbecue chicken and if they produce current in a variable-temperature environment then all must be fine.

Your "problem solving" is severely limited.

MileHigh

I am about sick of a couple of you on this forum.  Why don't you go back with your buddy TK and use your "problem solving skills" to design a "working" whipmag.  Oh, wait, you did that, but it was a fraud. 
At least lumens is testing something.  Instead of fault finding anyone really interested in finding some real solutions.  You have an agenda and TK has an agenda.  We on this forum are wise to the both of you.
 
Have a nice day!
 
Bruce

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« Reply #357 on: November 06, 2012, 05:58:11 PM »
Lumen:

There is an expression about counting chickens.  You say the incubation period will be over at the end of the month?  We will both have to wait and see.

Bruce:

You can't fit a square peg into a round hole no matter how much you try.  Lumen is not testing anything, we are discussing Elisha's testing.

Now, Elisha's test is either an isothermal test or it's not an isothermal test.  The TRUTH is that it is CLEARLY NOT an isothermal oven.  Now, is this progress, to do improper tests and then just push ahead and act like you are deaf, dumb, and blind?

What is your opinion, do you think Elisha's test setup is an isothermal setup, yes or no?

Here is the problem Bruce:  If you close your eyes and say, "Yes, the toaster oven is an isothermal setup" then were does that lead to?   What are the possible consequences?

Well, a few people have been killed transferring liquified "HHO"  (really 2H2 + O2) from one container to another.  The roof blew off of a building in California last year, it was in the news.  Handling "HHO" is like handling a bomb - nitroglycerin - one tiny static spark and boom you are dead.

Or, your thinking based on wishful thinking and blinding yourself to the truth leads to things like Thalidomide babies.

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Thalidomide, launched by Grünenthal on 1 October 1957,[10] was found to act as an effective tranquilizer and painkiller, and was proclaimed a "wonder drug" for insomnia, coughs, colds, and headaches.

In the late 1950s and early 1960s, more than 10,000 children in 46 countries were born with deformities, such as phocomelia, as a consequence of thalidomide use.[11] It is not known exactly how many worldwide victims of the drug there have been, although estimates range from 10,000 to 20,000.

So sorry Bruce, a toaster oven is NOT an isothermal oven, and you should face up to that fact.

MileHigh

PS:  I had absolutely nothing to do with the Whipmag.

lumen

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« Reply #358 on: November 06, 2012, 07:32:57 PM »
Bruce,

Sorry Bruce, I'm not the one doing the testing. I'm just lining up the life failure skeptics for the soon to come crow feast.

If any of them would have done any research, they would have known that the principal (electron tunneling due to heat) has been a problem in the MOSFET industry when they tried to reduce gate barriers to less than 100nm.
Can you imagine the tunneling you would get with a barrier less than 1.5nm!

But you know how they are.  ::)

I don't want to say too much, I'm already -10 points with Philip.

« Last Edit: November 07, 2012, 05:52:20 AM by lumen »

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« Reply #359 on: November 08, 2012, 02:54:59 PM »

Update on the website (quentron.com) regarding the launch:

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We now know how to produce almost perfect Quenco's
For the launch we will have 3mm diameter Quenco's
These devices will be available as loans to licencees


We will also make an array of 3mm diameter Quenco's
The array will be mounted on 1/8th thick Aluminum plate
The desired output will be 5.1V @ 3Amps via a USB
Sufficient to perpetually power an iPad with no battery
I would like to nickname this integration as the QiPad

I hope to be able to get Eric Wesoff to test the QiPad
Eric seems to me to be 100% sceptical about Quenco
There can be no better report than one from a sceptic
(Eric Wesoff is the Editor in Chief at Greentech Media)
www.cleantechlawpartners.com/CLP/Eric_Wesoff.html
 
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