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lumen

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« Reply #330 on: October 29, 2012, 12:39:46 AM »
I am just telling you the truth as I see it and I have 30  years worth of experience in electronics to draw on to help me form my impressions and opinions.  As a general comment, you would be wise to factor in the advice and suggestions from people that have more experience in something that you don't have experience in.

Finally, no takers to explain why the $10 TV tube experiment overturns the 2nd LoT?  I personally don't see that happening at all.

Someone with your electronics experience could easily do the $10 experiment and produce current from an isothermal environment. (which does overturn PART of the second law)
 
Or you could do the experiment that was posted by "TheCell" a few posts back. Again, current from an isothermal environment.
Or, being a good skeptic, you could just believe you are right and keep crying about how impossible it is. (this is by far the easiest and is recommended for general life failure skeptics)
 

MileHigh

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« Reply #331 on: October 29, 2012, 02:20:09 AM »
Lumen:

Who says I'm crying and what pray tell is a "general life failure skeptic?"  Haven't the skeptics been winning?  You need to chill out.  If this ends up going nowhere I would like an acknowledgement from you that I was right.

Nor did I say current flow was impossible.  What I said was I don't see how this experiment violates the 2nd LoT in an any way.

Can you explain how the experiment violates the second law?  So far I haven't heard from anybody, perhaps you would like to take a crack at it?

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« Reply #332 on: October 29, 2012, 03:19:21 AM »
 ;)

hollander

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« Reply #333 on: October 30, 2012, 09:04:04 AM »

@Philip

There are some things that I do not understand. I made a simple question about your pentode experiment and you asked me and other people to repeat the experiment, maybe posting the results on youtube. What is the goal of all this? Try to convince me and other "skeptic" that the pentode results were real? I said that one must be extremely careful in performing very very very low current measurements because it is quite easy to measure the instrument own disturbance, above all when you are doing measurement @ 500 C.

I think that the best way to silence people like me is: post a video of your own results with a Quenco working prototype. You are saying that Quenco is a "million times more powerful" than your pentode experiment. Moreover, now the patent has been filed, so no copyright problem. Why you do not do that?

One more question: Do you already have a Quenco working prototype? If not, how one can say that it is a "million times more powerful" than the pentode experiment? Are you try to sell a technology before having tested it?




 

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« Reply #334 on: October 31, 2012, 08:23:07 AM »

I see that quentron.com site changed layout once again. Preparing for the launch?

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« Reply #335 on: October 31, 2012, 10:31:32 AM »
Chips to be fabricated in November, hope Stanford can meet the very tight specifications and that Quenco awes the world. ;D

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« Reply #336 on: November 01, 2012, 01:24:16 AM »
SUCCESSFULL REPLICATION of Philip Hardcastle Pentode test.

Confirmed VIOLATION OF THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS. Yes we can, extract work from a heat reservoir, with no temperature difference.

The second law of thermodynamics express "This means it is impossible to extract energy by heat from a high-temperature energy source and then convert all of the energy into work. At least some of the energy must be passed on to heat a low-temperature energy sink"

We use a pentode,  model EL34, grid  G3 (Pin 1) connected to the anode (Pin 3) and measuring the current to the cathode (Pin 8 )

We used a home electric oven and electric grill resistor further inside, the tube was placed inside a glass dome with the resistance burner to reach a higher temperature than the oven.

We get currents up to 0,3 micro ampere, when I get to a temperature of about 350°C, but could not raise the temperature as the control card of the oven was damaged by the temperature.

The current was up from the 0,0 micro amps at room temperature to 0,3 micro ampere, the positive lead of the tester was connected to the anode and grid, the tester negative lead was connected to the cathode. By exchanging the polarity of the tips in the current tester polarity change by the same amount in the display of the tester.

We hope to put a video tomorrow better done and reaching higher temperatures and thus higher currents.

The test was conducted by myself plus two friends as witnesses, Smith Rivero and Yeruel  Bustamante.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2012, 03:01:44 AM by Elisha »

MileHigh

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« Reply #337 on: November 01, 2012, 02:35:55 AM »
Elisha:

Now it is time to think about how researchers act responsibly and in a scientific manner.

You see what looks like an interesting result and you are supposed to question yourself, look for where you might have gone wrong, look for other possible alternative explanations, and even encourage your peers to question your results.  You are supposed to try to double-check yourself and look for possible sources of problems.  The problems might be related to measurement error or something else.

If you are really serious about this research, you would also be looking for reasons that your data and conclusions might NOT be true, because that is what good and real science is all about.

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« Reply #338 on: November 01, 2012, 11:23:23 AM »
SUCCESSFULL REPLICATION of Philip Hardcastle Pentode test.

Confirmed VIOLATION OF THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS. Yes we can, extract work from a heat reservoir, with no temperature difference.

The second law of thermodynamics express "This means it is impossible to extract energy by heat from a high-temperature energy source and then convert all of the energy into work. At least some of the energy must be passed on to heat a low-temperature energy sink"

We use a pentode,  model EL34, grid  G3 (Pin 1) connected to the anode (Pin 3) and measuring the current to the cathode (Pin 8 )

We used a home electric oven and electric grill resistor further inside, the tube was placed inside a glass dome with the resistance burner to reach a higher temperature than the oven.

We get currents up to 0,3 micro ampere, when I get to a temperature of about 350°C, but could not raise the temperature as the control card of the oven was damaged by the temperature.

The current was up from the 0,0 micro amps at room temperature to 0,3 micro ampere, the positive lead of the tester was connected to the anode and grid, the tester negative lead was connected to the cathode. By exchanging the polarity of the tips in the current tester polarity change by the same amount in the display of the tester.

We hope to put a video tomorrow better done and reaching higher temperatures and thus higher currents.

The test was conducted by myself plus two friends as witnesses, Smith Rivero and Yeruel  Bustamante.

edited to reflect PeterMax's post bellow
Thx PeterMax
 
Hi Elisha, nice work.
Thanks for posting the results.
Mike
 
http://www.quentron.com/index.html 
"...To see that this is not science fiction but the biggest breakthrough ever you need to see proof, and that proof must be provided by an independent scientific body, you simply will not believe me just because I told you so.

So I offered $10,000 if someone would do the proof of concept experiment and NOT get an electrical power output, a sort of "prove me wrong" challenge, but there were no takers, so the challenge has been increased to.............
$25,000..."

 
 

 
   

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« Reply #339 on: November 01, 2012, 11:55:44 AM »
No price for success in reproducting experiment:

...proof of concept experiment and NOT get an electrical power output...

Temperature gradiant:
If Phil is right some heat will be converted in electrical current, so a part of the tube will cool down a little. This is caused by the effect and not the source of the effect.


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« Reply #340 on: November 01, 2012, 01:15:42 PM »
@Elisha

Very nice, well done.

lumen

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« Reply #341 on: November 01, 2012, 03:30:37 PM »
It's strange how those with little, can do so much and those with so much, do so little!

Very good job Elisha!



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« Reply #342 on: November 01, 2012, 11:29:45 PM »
I could get access to the time/equipment at a Russell Group university lab via a research scientist friend.  I have no doubt that the experiment would be replicated.  From there though, would the university be willing to endorse it?

Now if there was a challenge to replicate something using various pure metal foils (for example) producing useable power with multiple layers in an oven for example with a prize for first/best validation then I am sure there would be uptake.


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« Reply #343 on: November 02, 2012, 08:52:49 AM »
While Philip Hardcastle is changing (resetting) once more the look and the content of his website (new launch date... a bit annoying, to be honest), I'm still waiting for his reply to one of my previous questions, that I think to be central:

self quote:
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One more question: Do you already have a Quenco working prototype? If not, how can one say that it is a "million times more powerful" than the pentode experiment?

trim12

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« Reply #344 on: November 02, 2012, 01:05:28 PM »
I could get access to the time/equipment at a Russell Group university lab via a research scientist friend.  I have no doubt that the experiment would be replicated.  From there though, would the university be willing to endorse it?

Now if there was a challenge to replicate something using various pure metal foils (for example) producing useable power with multiple layers in an oven for example with a prize for first/best validation then I am sure there would be uptake.

If you managed to successfully replicate a Quenco chip, a very hard start of the art thing to do at the moment, you wouldn't need an oven, room temperature would do nicely.

As a reputable University like Stanford are attempting to fabricate the chip at the moment if they are successful to make the layers flat enough so it won't short circuit than we will all know soon enough whether Lord Kelvin was a big as twerp about thermodynamics as he was about heavier than air flight.

Maybe I am being a bit hard on Lord Kelvin as the weirdness of quantum mechanics were not discovered when he was around.