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broli

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« Reply #105 on: June 05, 2012, 11:03:10 AM »
The pricing forecast seems to be quite conservative or even pessimistic to some, I wouldn't bet on it. I did notice a bigger monetary aspect in your latest business plan change though. If quenco gets released I doubt it would take beyond 2014 to get a roll-to-roll ALD production line set up by you or by anyone else ripping the technology off. Your prices seem fine for proof of concept and prototypical studies. But these won't last beyond the first few months when pretty much anyone has accepted the reality of this technology and would want to get on the bandwagon ASAP to start "printing" these like stamps by the millions.

neptune

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« Reply #106 on: June 05, 2012, 01:31:57 PM »
@TinselKoala. The situation is not clear here . Firstly, I do not of course, want to see Quentron disappear. My understanding is that the technology has not yet been patented, nor has a patent been applied for . I may be wrong.So applying for a patent would thrust this into big brothers face, and would in my opinion, forcibly draw the attention of the wrong people.
@Philip. It is probably simplistic to assume that Governments have the peoples interests at heart. Governments have the Governments interest at heart. Not the same thing.
ADDED LATER.I have found that the situation regarding USA patents has much improved since 2003. Just what the situation is in other countries, I do not know. So what I am basically saying is that I wish you every success, but at all times watch your back and look before you leap.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2012, 04:54:27 PM by neptune »

e2matrix

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« Reply #107 on: June 05, 2012, 06:52:29 PM »
Some additional thoughts....   Look at the economical difference between NiMH, NiCd, Li-Ion batteries that are rechargeable versus alkaline batteries.  Rechargeable batteries are hundreds of times if not thousands of times more economical (and don't become as much of an environmental problem) than alkaline batteries.  Yet Duracell, Eveready and others still sell millions of alkaline batteries.  What is my point?  It is that people may be slower to adapt to a much smarter solution than we might think.  That may be a good thing in the short term in that if this technology moves forward first into smaller devices like AA size batteries, E-bikes, and similar things that do not threaten the major energy cartels it could possible get established without creating the wrong sort of attention.  Once established it could then move onto bigger things like cars, home power and so on as it would be a known and proven technology which at that point I believe would be hard to stop.  Just some rambling thoughts. 

    Some more...   My Dad used to say all politicians are crooks.  I thought that was rather a callous outlook way back then but now I would tend to agree.  And if they don't start out that way how many can resist both the huge payoffs (some call contributions) they get from big corporations.  And if that doesn't work then I'm sure in some cases they are given a choice which involves taking a nice sum of money or having their families threatened.   So IMO is it naive to trust that our government will be helpful in getting this into the hands of the people.  You know my answer to that.  A recent article at the top and center of CNN.com (mainstream news page) was titled "Why do politicians LIE?"  I was actually surprised to see that on CNN but once in a while CNN does surprise me with something real. 

   I continue to wonder if it is a good idea to bring a lot of attention to quenco until they are in production in such numbers (million or more ?) that it could not be shoved under a rug.  Yes finding a really altruistic billionaire would be great but I won't hold my breath.  People like Gates and Buffett who might now seem altruistic with all the billions they are giving to charities will simply not want to upset the status quo and I think quenco has the potential to do that - although it would be in a very good way in the longer term.   The Google boys seem to always be looking for ways to reduce energy usage and be greener.  Their energy usage to run those millions of search servers is astronomical.  They built one of their main centers in Oregon where water powered energy (dams) is much cheaper and greener than many areas.  They also were very involved in the Tesla electric roadster.  They might be one possible investor.  The Waltons (Walmart) seems to always be looking to ways to reduce their cost of energy and they do invest in greener solutions.  Just some more ramblings....

e2matrix

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« Reply #108 on: June 05, 2012, 06:55:25 PM »
@TinselKoala. The situation is not clear here . Firstly, I do not of course, want to see Quentron disappear. My understanding is that the technology has not yet been patented, nor has a patent been applied for . I may be wrong.So applying for a patent would thrust this into big brothers face, and would in my opinion, forcibly draw the attention of the wrong people.
@Philip. It is probably simplistic to assume that Governments have the peoples interests at heart. Governments have the Governments interest at heart. Not the same thing.
ADDED LATER.I have found that the situation regarding USA patents has much improved since 2003. Just what the situation is in other countries, I do not know. So what I am basically saying is that I wish you every success, but at all times watch your back and look before you leap.

Could you elaborate on what you found that lead you to think the situation regarding USA patents has improved since 2003? 

neptune

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« Reply #109 on: June 05, 2012, 07:01:20 PM »
Ok, so much for politics and patents, back to technical matters.
 Firstly, we have talk of a 200 volt device for electric cars . That is 200 volts DC. So this unit can not be used in its present form as a domestic power source. This can be overcome by the use of an inverter. Power Mosfets, which are one of the main components of an inverter are plentiful and cheap. Although our mains supply is AC, many domestic appliances actually convert this AC to DC before using it. So in time, when every appliance has its own built in power supply, this problem will disappear.
        Early models of Quenco look like being 2 volt or 12 volt . We could certainly use the 12 volt on an electric bike , either by rewinding the motor to use 12 volts, or by using a DC-DC converter. We may even be able to use the 2 volt version if enough amps are available . I am not sure if we could build a DC-DC coverter to run on 2 volts. Does anyone know?

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« Reply #110 on: June 06, 2012, 06:02:54 AM »
Hi,


Quick short post.


People have asked how they can help, that is fantastic and I appreciate the community spirit.


Answer is that I am not sure, what I do know is that I am not going to cope too well after launch if I try and do everything. I am more than ever convinced that I need to form a not for profit foundation that would control all the IP rights. Such an organisation should have a strict constitution based upon sound humanitarian principles.


So I need people that want to provide legal, governance, technical, production, logistics, pr, accounting and many other skills.


I would like those people to be motivated for all the right reasons and they should not have any conflict of interest.


I will set up some pages on the quentron website with some words when I have received feedback from interested persons.


Can you please contact me via the website contacts page rather than the message system here as it is easier for me to manage and respond to.


Lastly, a quick technical response,


I do not know how cheap quenco could become, I can tell you that if you melted one down (so to speak) the materials would be worth about a dime, the costs are machine and labour. I can tell you that making the first ones has been a battle and that I have been given quotes that looked like telephone numbers, I can also say (and will say more some other day) that I have also been given assistance by some very good people whose only motivation was to help make this all happen, ultimately with the assistance of many good and smart people Quenco might well become cheaper than a postage stamp.


Phil [size=78%] [/size]

neptune

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« Reply #111 on: June 07, 2012, 09:03:35 PM »
My main purpose of this reply is to keep Quentron on the front page. The fact that the Quentron web site is in the process of change suggests that we can probably expect more informationto be relaesed very soon .

lumen

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« Reply #112 on: June 08, 2012, 08:10:41 PM »
So, is the launch now set for the original June 11 or has it been pushed back as stated earlier?


Goat

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« Reply #113 on: June 09, 2012, 11:05:01 PM »
Hi All;

I've been following this thread for awhile and been thinking about the solutions being discussed and then it hit me!

From what I understand Philip Hardcastle mentioned that he could demonstrate that a quenco unit could boil water in one reservoir and in the other reservoir freeze water and produce electricity from the process.

What if there was a pump supplying the correct proportion of hot water to the cold side reservoir to keep it from freezing and continue pumping from there into the bottom of the hot side reservoir  so that you could stop the cold side from completely freezing.

Sorry if this idea is wrong but it seemed a simple solution a minute ago :)

P.S.: If the above idea doesn't work what about a year long ice cube and hot water supply!  LOL

Regards,
Paul

lumen

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« Reply #114 on: June 10, 2012, 02:46:47 AM »
Goat,

I think you are looking to deeply at this, if you just disconnect the wires to the heater then the hot side stops getting hotter and the cold side stops getting colder. But yes you could feed some of one side back into the other just to keep it within the desired range I suppose.

The new refrigerator / hot water heater unit!





Goat

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« Reply #115 on: June 10, 2012, 03:58:17 AM »
Goat,

I think you are looking to deeply at this, if you just disconnect the wires to the heater then the hot side stops getting hotter and the cold side stops getting colder. But yes you could feed some of one side back into the other just to keep it within the desired range I suppose.

The new refrigerator / hot water heater unit!

Hi lumen;

With all due respect, how am I "looking to deeply at this"? 

Up to this point this thread has been trying to look at the possibilities of augmenting power by different methods but the basic problem seems to be the heat and cold side of the module.  If what I proposed would solve the problem then what's wrong with that solution?

Maybe I missed something in your post as a counter argument, if so, please explain it, I'm sometimes dumb at getting the point of someone's point in a post, so if I missed it please forgive me and carry on  :)

P.S.:  "The new refrigerator / hot water heater unit!"  That part I agree with :)

Regards,
Paul

 

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« Reply #116 on: June 10, 2012, 04:22:59 AM »
Hi lumen;

With all due respect, how am I "looking to deeply at this"? 

Up to this point this thread has been trying to look at the possibilities of augmenting power by different methods but the basic problem seems to be the heat and cold side of the module.  If what I proposed would solve the problem then what's wrong with that solution?

Maybe I missed something in your post as a counter argument, if so, please explain it, I'm sometimes dumb at getting the point of someone's point in a post, so if I missed it please forgive me and carry on  :)

P.S.:  "The new refrigerator / hot water heater unit!"  That part I agree with :)

Regards,
Paul

 

Paul,

There is no "but the basic problem seems to be the heat and cold side of the module".

The module converts heat directly to energy. So you need to apply heat to both sides
of the module. The limiting factor is how much and how fast you can provide heat to the module.

GL.

broli

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« Reply #117 on: June 10, 2012, 11:17:16 AM »
On the latest site update it states

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We are still a few weeks away from showing the public proof that Quenco is as claimed
  The production delays are minor but are out of my control
  So I will not make the mistake of announcing a new launch date yet

http://www.quentron.com/

Goat

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« Reply #118 on: June 10, 2012, 02:12:17 PM »
Paul,

There is no "but the basic problem seems to be the heat and cold side of the module".

The module converts heat directly to energy. So you need to apply heat to both sides
of the module. The limiting factor is how much and how fast you can provide heat to the module.

GL.

Thank you for clearing that up Groundloop, now I understand.

Regards,
Paul

lumen

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« Reply #119 on: June 10, 2012, 04:35:42 PM »
Goat,

I was agreeing with you!
I was only stating that a quenco device seems to have a more direct approach to solving the machine you were talking of.

If I understand this correctly, heat will convert directly to electrical energy in the quenco chip. The heat causes a charge to accumulate but if you do not use it (or no current flows) then no additional heat can be converted to electrical energy.
Only when you deplete the charge will more heat be converted to increase the charge again. So if you disconnect the wires from the quenco chip, it stops converting heat to electrical energy and in essence stops cooling.