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Offline sarkeizen

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« Reply #2355 on: May 17, 2014, 04:24:33 PM »
So then what kind of evidence would satisfy you that demons exist @sarkeizen. What are your standards for evidence
One way would be for you to produce a valid formal logical argument which ends in "Ordinary textbooks necessitate the existence of and ability to build a battery which would power an ipod-like device eternally and continually".  However you said
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@sarkeizen.i cannot come to you with a textbook argument for a 2nd law breach using textbook words
So I guess that's out. Moron. :D

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Offline profitis

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« Reply #2356 on: May 18, 2014, 01:17:16 PM »
Or YOU can use a textbook to try find flaw in my statement @ sarkeizen.any gas electrode overpotential differential galvanic cell,NECESSITATES a 2lot violation.you have a nasty habit of partially quoting peoples statements around here.

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« Reply #2357 on: May 18, 2014, 10:17:49 PM »
Or YOU can use a textbook to try find flaw in my statement @ sarkeizen.any gas electrode overpotential differential galvanic cell,NECESSITATES a 2lot violation.you have a nasty habit of partially quoting peoples statements around here.

To demonstrate a 2nd LoT violation isn't it necessary to define the boundaries of the closed system ?

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« Reply #2357 on: May 18, 2014, 10:17:49 PM »
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Offline profitis

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« Reply #2358 on: May 19, 2014, 12:14:19 AM »
No farmhand.it is only necessary to define and demonstrate an assymetrical entropy state.the physical demonstration must give enough power to rule out 'natural' resources completely eg sunlight,vibration,heat gradient,radio waves etc

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« Reply #2359 on: May 19, 2014, 05:25:04 AM »
Or YOU can use a textbook to try find flaw in my statement
...and if I didn't that would not significantly adjust the odds of you being correct.  Hence what I suggest is good evidence and what you suggest is stupid.  QED.

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Offline profitis

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« Reply #2360 on: May 19, 2014, 09:44:31 AM »
Its not stupid if you look into it @sarkeizen.for example the suspected 2lot violator,the original karpen cell blueprint fits the bill of that statement very cosily i.e.gold and platinum with their different oxygen potentials giving current and power in a predictably repetitive manner.

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« Reply #2361 on: May 19, 2014, 07:49:18 PM »
Its not stupid if you look into it.
I'm saying your test for evidence can't significantly shift the probability that you are correct.
Clearly any test which does not shift the likelihood is stupid.   Sorry that's just the way it is.

QED

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Offline profitis

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« Reply #2362 on: May 20, 2014, 12:30:11 AM »
its a broad-based statement thus your inability or ability to textbook-bash it increases or decreases probability dramaticaly. there's nothing about the statement that contradicts established physics exept the part about a 2lot violation so either you should be able to give a broad-based established textbook counterexplanation or not.if not,then the 2nd half of the statement begins to look shiny.its not a particle collider we're dealing with here @sarkeizen.its a broad class of battery.

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« Reply #2363 on: May 20, 2014, 02:35:56 AM »
your inability or ability to textbook-bash it increases or decreases probability dramaticaly.
Sadly your math is worse than Phillips.   How do you get so terrible at it?  Do you actually have to spend time taking courses that un-teach probability theory?  Or is it just a successive series of sharp blows to the head?

Please provide the calculations to prove your point.  You of course can't but it will be fun to see what dodge you come up with.

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« Reply #2364 on: May 20, 2014, 07:59:45 AM »
There's no math required.just plain logic.if I point to one item and declare it a 2lot violation people might laugh,a handful might take it serious.if I point to over 100 different combinaton of items and declare them a 2lot violation,you'd better be damn well prepared to offer a counterexplanation otherwise your going to trip people up @sarkeizen.the statements seriousness is proportional to its broadness in this case.

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« Reply #2365 on: May 20, 2014, 05:38:01 PM »
if I point to one item and declare it a 2lot violation people might laugh,a handful might take it serious.if I point to over 100 different combinaton of items and declare them a 2lot violation
I love this answer.  Remember the question at hand is "Why don't I use your standard of evidence?".   Profitis has already admitted that she is unable to meet my standard of evidence.  I've stated that her belief that my ability to prove or disprove some things has no significant effect on their probability of being true.  For example I am probably unable to prove the Reimann Hypothesis.  Does that make it untrue?  Profitis would apparently say "yes" but that would of course be an exceptionally stupid thing.  As I am also unable to prove it's inverse.  Which would according to Profitis reasoning make it's inverse untrue.   However since the Reimann hypothesis must be either be true or it's inverse must be true.  Then the Profitis system of reasoning can not possibly be correct.
 
Profitis claims her belief requires no math.  However she is clearly attempting to add probabilities.  She also apparently was never taught how.  Do you think profitis can guess why 100 combinations may not add up to a significant shift in likelihood?  My bet is "no".

Profitis will now prove me right. :D

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« Reply #2365 on: May 20, 2014, 05:38:01 PM »
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« Reply #2366 on: May 20, 2014, 06:37:22 PM »
Your using it by not using it man.you see what I mean,you yet again delayed a direct address and counterattack to the statement.it is now a statement hanging in the balance for errr a couple months now?hanging there unchallenged.its the hanging that increases probability mr sarkeizen.the hanging that beckons urgency dudet.makes it more real with each passing second.reiman hypothesis has nothing to do with a hundred different combination of gas electrodes shoved in electrolyte so its irrelevent here.a bad example @sarkeizen.probability favours the statement being more true with each passing second of your delayed counterattack mr sarkeizen.the first half of the statement is ESTABLISHED PHYSICS ya'll so where is your ESTABLISHED COUNTERATTACK?

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« Reply #2367 on: May 20, 2014, 08:20:35 PM »
You just proved that Sarkeizen's prediction was correct.

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« Reply #2368 on: May 20, 2014, 08:21:40 PM »
Your using it by not using it man.
As I said you proved me right.  You have no idea why your "100 combinations" would have no significantly better odds than one.

Come back when you can answer that question. :D

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« Reply #2369 on: May 20, 2014, 09:11:31 PM »
No I just proved that sarkeizen is dancing around my statement and not on it @mark E

 

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