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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #2295 on: February 27, 2014, 03:12:51 PM »

It's statements like that TK that make me wonder why you REALLY are here.

I'm REALLY here because I'm hoping that someday, somebody might actually show some valid _evidence_ that supports their claims of overunity outputs. Like real data from valid experiments, properly performed to test a well-formulated potentially falsifiable hypothesis. So far, this has been as rare as hen's teeth.
A secondary reason is that I hope to be able to help people to accomplish that end, by directing them out of blind alleys, by helping them use and interpret their test equipment properly, sometimes even by attempting "replications" myself, if the work fits with my education and skillset and doesn't cost too much. It's kind of like a busman's holiday, since I was engaged professionally in that kind of work for many years, and still sometimes do it for money, when I can drag myself away from looking at this website.
When people start disrespecting and insulting me, though, after it has become evident that they can't show data that supports their claims, or they refuse to formulate proper hypotheses to test.... I feel free to engage in a little pointed mockery, in the hope that the person will "show me the sausages" or admit he doesn't have any to show. But really, this never affects the claimants except to make them stomp their feet and turn blue, but it does emphasize to the observers that there may be problems with the claims.

Why are you REALLY here? For the Lulz?

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Re: quentron.com
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« Reply #2296 on: February 27, 2014, 04:43:46 PM »
Why are you REALLY here? For the Lulz?
I know I'm here for the arguing and watching how people convince themselves of something crazy or preserve their belief in something crazy. :D

Some things I've learned...

-There's an almost palpable shift when people argue "defensively".  They no longer define their terms.  Often try to change the subject.  This may not mean they are right or wrong but it does tell me that they're not confident.
-People have a tendency toward complex systems rather than simple ones.   Rather than attempting to find the simplest case where some effect happens, some idea is correct, etc.. they try to create some very complex system.
-People have some weird biases. For example, here "building things" is some badge of honor.  If you aren't in some workshop attempting to create something that probably won't work then you are something less than those who aren't.  Another one is what I call the "tinkering" bias.  The idea that things "almost work" you just need to find a slightly better X.  Which to me says "the problem is largely solved" however given the subject matter of this board that seems ludicrous.
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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #2297 on: February 27, 2014, 07:33:13 PM »
lol @sarkeizen.building things is a bias? Its your fault you dont own a pair platinum pants.

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #2297 on: February 27, 2014, 07:33:13 PM »
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Offline Hope

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #2298 on: March 04, 2014, 06:11:35 PM »
I know I'm here for the arguing and watching how people convince themselves of something crazy or preserve their belief in something crazy. :D

Some things I've learned...

-There's an almost palpable shift when people argue "defensively".  They no longer define their terms.  Often try to change the subject.  This may not mean they are right or wrong but it does tell me that they're not confident.
-People have a tendency toward complex systems rather than simple ones.   Rather than attempting to find the simplest case where some effect happens, some idea is correct, etc.. they try to create some very complex system.
-People have some weird biases. For example, here "building things" is some badge of honor.  If you aren't in some workshop attempting to create something that probably won't work then you are something less than those who aren't.  Another one is what I call the "tinkering" bias.  The idea that things "almost work" you just need to find a slightly better X.  Which to me says "the problem is largely solved" however given the subject matter of this board that seems ludicrous.






Agreed,  revision and increasing circuits does not necessarily refine a device.   Nature usually is our best example of how to do some process in the most efficient way.  Suggest you protype the device Phil and work through the revisions until theory becomes proof.

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #2299 on: March 04, 2014, 06:18:24 PM »

I'm REALLY here because I'm hoping that someday, somebody might actually show some valid _evidence_ that supports their claims of overunity outputs. Like real data from valid experiments, properly performed to test a well-formulated potentially falsifiable hypothesis. So far, this has been as rare as hen's teeth.
A secondary reason is that I hope to be able to help people to accomplish that end, by directing them out of blind alleys, by helping them use and interpret their test equipment properly, sometimes even by attempting "replications" myself, if the work fits with my education and skillset and doesn't cost too much. It's kind of like a busman's holiday, since I was engaged professionally in that kind of work for many years, and still sometimes do it for money, when I can drag myself away from looking at this website.
When people start disrespecting and insulting me, though, after it has become evident that they can't show data that supports their claims, or they refuse to formulate proper hypotheses to test.... I feel free to engage in a little pointed mockery, in the hope that the person will "show me the sausages" or admit he doesn't have any to show. But really, this never affects the claimants except to make them stomp their feet and turn blue, but it does emphasize to the observers that there may be problems with the claims.

Why are you REALLY here? For the Lulz?


And you have many efforts to your credit, we appreciate your earnest work.


Let's remember that others are not walking in our shoes and do not have the knowledge we have gained with years of this desire driving us to the present education.   Thank you for coming to this topic and sharing your views TK.

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #2299 on: March 04, 2014, 06:18:24 PM »
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Offline Hope

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« Reply #2300 on: March 04, 2014, 06:20:29 PM »
And Phil that link you are sharing is a closed website.

Offline e2matrix

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #2301 on: March 04, 2014, 06:42:28 PM »

I'm REALLY here because I'm hoping that someday, somebody might actually show some valid _evidence_ that supports their claims of overunity outputs. Like real data from valid experiments, properly performed to test a well-formulated potentially falsifiable hypothesis. So far, this has been as rare as hen's teeth.
A secondary reason is that I hope to be able to help people to accomplish that end, by directing them out of blind alleys, by helping them use and interpret their test equipment properly, sometimes even by attempting "replications" myself, if the work fits with my education and skillset and doesn't cost too much. It's kind of like a busman's holiday, since I was engaged professionally in that kind of work for many years, and still sometimes do it for money, when I can drag myself away from looking at this website.
When people start disrespecting and insulting me, though, after it has become evident that they can't show data that supports their claims, or they refuse to formulate proper hypotheses to test.... I feel free to engage in a little pointed mockery, in the hope that the person will "show me the sausages" or admit he doesn't have any to show. But really, this never affects the claimants except to make them stomp their feet and turn blue, but it does emphasize to the observers that there may be problems with the claims.

Why are you REALLY here? For the Lulz?


No,  I'm here for several reasons but Lulz is not one of them.   One is to share bits of knowledge I have with others.   Another is to help prevent some of the usual Internet behavior that results in an idea or a build getting squashed before it has the chance to be fully explored just because some people think they know everything or they are sure it can't be done.   I don't think I need to throw out all the usual quotes about the Wright brothers and Einstein and others we have all heard in that regard.   Another I will admit is the hope that sometime a good free energy device will come along with good directions and a parts list on how to build it.   I'm a good builder but not the best on theory in some areas.   I also see some ego's get in the way of progress at times and I try to help out with smoothing things out in that arena as I have a lot of experience and training in that area as well as having the opportunity of learning in person from some of the world's best.    I try to keep the forums I visit a positive atmosphere since that is the only way to have real growth and learning and hopefully the success of a free energy device someday that nearly everyone can build.   


I value your knowledgeable input at times but not the insults to others.   

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #2301 on: March 04, 2014, 06:42:28 PM »
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Offline sarkeizen

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« Reply #2302 on: March 06, 2014, 05:43:14 PM »
Another is to help prevent some of the usual Internet behavior that results in an idea or a build getting squashed before it has the chance to be fully explored just because some people think they know everything or they are sure it can't be done.
How do you know that an idea has been "fully explored" or not?  As far as I can tell here this problem isn't much of a problem.  People have absolutely no issue with deciding to spend time and money on something regardless of how sane the idea is.

How about, instead that ideas be explored to a degree proportional to the likelihood of their success otherwise we stop caring.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #2303 on: March 06, 2014, 05:53:36 PM »
Ah, the old "skeptic effect" again.

I wonder how many Free Energy Overunity devices have been utterly squelched, suppressed, hidden away from public sight, because some mean old skeptics on an internet forum somewhere manage to keep the inventor away from his work by posting on the forum.

Skeptics have powers beyond even those of the MiBs! We can suppress innovation just by asking questions on teh internest!

Does anyone remember "elecar" by the way? I'm sure he's off manufacturing his patented selfrunning not-a-SMOT --- if he can stand the noise it makes. Don't you think? He pulled himself away from this forum and its few skeptics and he went off somewhere and just got down to his own work and has made his selfrunning magnet motor and is on the short list for the MacArthur Foundation Genius Award. Hasn't he?

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Offline Farmhand

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #2304 on: March 09, 2014, 11:12:53 AM »
Ah, the old "skeptic effect" again.

I wonder how many Free Energy Overunity devices have been utterly squelched, suppressed, hidden away from public sight, because some mean old skeptics on an internet forum somewhere manage to keep the inventor away from his work by posting on the forum.

Skeptics have powers beyond even those of the MiBs! We can suppress innovation just by asking questions on teh internest!

Does anyone remember "elecar" by the way? I'm sure he's off manufacturing his patented selfrunning not-a-SMOT --- if he can stand the noise it makes. Don't you think? He pulled himself away from this forum and its few skeptics and he went off somewhere and just got down to his own work and has made his selfrunning magnet motor and is on the short list for the MacArthur Foundation Genius Award. Hasn't he?

Oh but TK,  don't Skeptics have less powers than Naysayers, Skeptics are benign beings whereas Naysayers are malevolent Skeptics and more destructive. At least that is the impression I get.  ::)

It would seem that some do consider all Skeptics to have unnatural powers.

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Offline SeaMonkey

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Re: quentron.com
« Reply #2305 on: March 10, 2014, 03:25:53 AM »
Quote from: FarmHand
It would seem that some do consider all Skeptics to have unnatural powers.

Aye, unnatural powers for a fact! ;)

The skeptics that matter do seem though to have
quite a lot more experience and have acquired
considerably more knowledge/wisdom than the
typical experimenter. 8)

Overunity or the Search for Free Energy in many
ways is like a Religion where the Noobs have the
highest level of Faith that it (Free Energy) is a reality. ::)

Until, that is, they in due time become Skeptics
themselves after having "paid their dues" in
trial, error and disappointment;  not to mention
the sizable financial outlay. :o

The "been there done that" Skeptic in most cases
didn't ever want to become one at all... :'(

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« Reply #2306 on: April 07, 2014, 04:29:47 AM »
The quentron.com website is down.

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« Reply #2307 on: April 16, 2014, 02:35:57 AM »
This was an amusing thread, it is a pity its over. Does anyone know whether Mr. Hardcastle simply disappeared with the funds of investors, or whether he's already in jail? Or was his last charge of Quenco finally successful, and he sits now frozen at 0 K in his lab, because Quenco converted all the heat into electric power?

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« Reply #2308 on: April 16, 2014, 02:42:49 AM »
This was an amusing thread, it is a pity its over. Does anyone know whether Mr. Hardcastle simply disappeared with the funds of investors, or whether he's already in jail? Or was his last charge of Quenco finally successful, and he sits now frozen at 0 K in his lab, because Quenco converted all the heat into electric power?


AFAIK, Mr. Hardcastle burned his own money on this. He's not a fraud like Wayne Travis.

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« Reply #2309 on: April 16, 2014, 02:52:56 AM »
AFAIK, Mr. Hardcastle burned his own money on this. He's not a fraud like Wayne Travis.
Why do you think so? BTW, is Mr.Philip Hardcastle his real identity? If I remember well he claimed to be working with the Stanford University, and been Australian, but I never managed to find any reference. Is there his CV available anywhere on the web?

 

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