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« Reply #2025 on: February 05, 2014, 09:40:02 PM »
@sarkeizen lol you cant take an ordinary textbook and unmake my arguments
That would require for you to have made a relevant argument.  So far you are just asserting things.  The statement in question, remember is about textbooks necessitating eternal batteries.

So far I have an chemistry textbook that you selected (even though you don't have it), and it does not appear to have any information suggesting eternal batteries.  So this must reduce our confidence in your assertion.

So what evidence is there to support your assertion that textbooks *do* necessitate eternal and continuous batteries?

Let me know when you come up with some. :D :D :D

no one has yet risen to that challenge.no one has even risen to my challenge over 2 wikipedia instances
Nobody has risen to debunking something that you refuse to define, support by cites, provide experimental data or provide an argument for. I wonder why... :D :D :D
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« Reply #2026 on: February 05, 2014, 10:52:09 PM »
@mark E put me in your lab and pay me in dollars(not south african rands) and you,l see my real intent :-).im just here for mental stimulation to see if anyone can rise to my challenge and point out exactly where and how any one of my diagrammed cells will run out of juice.no one has yet risen to that challenge.no one has even risen to my challenge over 2 wikipedia instances nevermind my designs.yes i agree that it will be very easy for you to determine if the suggested higher power devices are kelvin breaches but i dont need to be convinced.i need to be un-convinced.
Profitis, perhaps you do not understand:  It is the burden of one who makes extraordinary claims to provide strong evidence for those claims.  We already have plenty of evidence for what is ordinary.  You have made at least two extraordinary claims:  1) A claim of batteries that fully recharge themselves when they are not loaded, and 2) A claim of batteries that recharge themselves by drawing heat from a single ambient heat reservoir, IE there is no colder reservoir to receive heat removed from the ambient reservoir.  Anytime that you would like to offer strong evidence for either or both of your claims I am happy to review it.

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« Reply #2027 on: February 06, 2014, 09:03:20 PM »
@sarkeizen,if my argument was irrelevant then you would be able to show exactly how the nernst equation doesnt lead directly to an equal pressure gaseous concentration cell e.g.the karpen device and the wikipedia oxygen device. B) i need to define,support,provide cites,provide data for you to show me kelvins ROLE in 2 wikipedia instances? Is this a joke?

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« Reply #2028 on: February 06, 2014, 09:26:00 PM »
@mark E..but if i show you something that proves numbers 1 and 2 is there the possibility that you would give me a full-time job? :D:D

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« Reply #2029 on: February 06, 2014, 09:29:53 PM »
@sarkeizen,if my argument was irrelevant then you would be able to show exactly how the nernst equation doesnt lead directly to an equal pressure gaseous concentration cell
Not true.  Your argument is irrelevant because it does not provide a cite from an ordinary textbook and you have not provided a formal logical argument from your cite.

Claiming that my inability to demonstrate anything somehow affects the truth of a statement like "(all) textbooks necessitate that you can build a battery that lasts forever and works continually" - is a logical fallacy - specifically an "argument from ignorance".

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« Reply #2030 on: February 06, 2014, 09:49:41 PM »
@sarkeizen..nope.the nernst equation is no fallacy buddy-bro.youre basicly saying that the nernst equation doesnt lead directly to a working wikipedia oxygen device when my whole argument is that it does.

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« Reply #2031 on: February 06, 2014, 10:06:21 PM »
the nernst equation is no fallac
I'm not commenting on anything other than your claim that if I can not demonstrate something than it affects the truth of the statement: "an ordinary textbook NECESSITATES the existence and ability to build a battery which can power an ipod like device continually and eternally".  Which is what you are claiming and it is a logical fallacy...moron.
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youre basicly saying that the nernst equation doesnt lead directly to a working wikipedia oxygen device
I can't be saying that because you've never provided a useful definition of what that is.  :D :D :D

What I am saying is that a) You haven't provided a correct cite from an ordinary textbook and b) You haven't provided a formal logical argument to the conclusion "therefore it is impossible for an eternal battery to not exist and it is also impossible to rationally claim that it can not be built".

Clearly you have provided neither of those, so clearly you have not provided a relevant argument to your point that an ordinary textbook NECESSITATES the existence and ability to build a battery which can power an ipod like device continually and eternally.

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« Reply #2032 on: February 06, 2014, 10:19:11 PM »
@mark E..but if i show you something that proves numbers 1 and 2 is there the possibility that you would give me a full-time job? :D:D
Profitis any employment problems you might have would not be much of a concern.  But first you would have to prove one of the claims.  Saying you can prove something and actually proving it are very different things.

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« Reply #2033 on: February 06, 2014, 10:23:10 PM »
@sarkeizen..nope.the nernst equation is no fallacy buddy-bro.youre basicly saying that the nernst equation doesnt lead directly to a working wikipedia oxygen device when my whole argument is that it does.
You do know that in an air - metal battery that the metal electrode oxidizes don't you?  Even if one treats the finite oxygen in the atmosphere as effectively unlimited, the amount of metal in an air - metal battery anode is far more finite.  That's true even if one were to construct a really big cell.

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« Reply #2034 on: February 07, 2014, 01:24:45 AM »
@mark E wow i might just take you up on that challenge because i can get a job in research here easily but our currency is crappy,even if we get a large sum.when i said wikipedia oxygen device i was refering to wikipedia,s oxygen concentration cell seperate from its accelerating effect upon iron corrosion.

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« Reply #2035 on: February 07, 2014, 01:58:05 AM »
@sarkeizen where exactly did i not necessitate the construction of perpetual batteries by looking in textbooks in this thread?you have to now DE-NECESSITATE the ability of textbooks to uphold a spontaneously reversable gaseous concentration cell cycle in violation of kelvin law.specificly at the point of the cycle where equilibrium is reached and gas has been transfered in accord with faraday,s law of electrochemical equivalency.

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« Reply #2036 on: February 07, 2014, 02:05:04 AM »
@mark E wow i might just take you up on that challenge because i can get a job in research here easily but our currency is crappy,even if we get a large sum.when i said wikipedia oxygen device i was refering to wikipedia,s oxygen concentration cell seperate from its accelerating effect upon iron corrosion.
Profitis there are two claims outstanding:

1) A battery that recharges itself when unloaded.
2) A battery that recharges itself by withdrawing heat from a single ambient heat reservoir with no other colder reservoir.

I would be absolutely delighted to see proof of either claim. 

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« Reply #2037 on: February 07, 2014, 02:35:29 AM »
excellent @mark E. I,l let you know.

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« Reply #2038 on: February 07, 2014, 05:25:27 AM »
where exactly did i not necessitate the construction of perpetual batteries by looking in textbooks in this thread?
You have never provided a useful cite or a formal logical argument.  Without a formal argument nothing is necessitated.  QED.

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« Reply #2039 on: February 09, 2014, 12:52:49 AM »
it was exceptionaly formal @sarkeizen.the way i bridged the gap between textbooks and this website by throwing down a nernstian bridge strait into the heart of concentration cell territory necessitating a thorough cross-examination of your client,s statement.like a sword straight into the bulls neck in the arena. Its time for you to start thinking about how this is going to affect information theory in the future.how the assymetry of switching between two reversable entropy states is going to change your formula.

 

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