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Offline sarkeizen

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« Reply #1950 on: January 30, 2014, 03:34:15 PM »
not by a long-shot @sarkeizen
I'd say we're pretty close to my goal.   See all you have to do is say you can't make your point about textbooks necessitating the existence of and the ability to create a battery which would continuously and eternally running an ipod like device from ordinary electrochemistry textbooks.

And your argument falls, because you said it was in "all textbooks" (and even being generous and assuming you meant "virtually all" or even "most" your argument is pretty much toast).

If it can be demonstrated from ordinary textbooks like the one you dishonestly asked me to check.  Then well, you would have to demonstrate that. But I think we all know you can't and I think you know you cant...why?  Simple.

By appearances you have a textbook - not the one you asked me to look at but who knows why you would make a stupid mistake like that - except to be deceiving.  If you really had a clear and straightforward argument from that text then instead of spending months being an asshole.  You could have just stated your starting point from the text, if I doubted you.  You could have just supplied photographs of the pages in question.  Then you could have made your argument from there.  If I wanted to read the book myself, I could have simply procured a copy.

Instead what do you do?

Lie about things ("Oh I'll get you a textbook cite after coffee", "I'll get you a textbook cite if you answer this question?", etc..)
Attempt to distract from the point ("No you have to build it", "You have to disprove some statement that I completely made up about you")
Stall (Three months for a textbook cite?, Weeks avoiding answering simple questions.  Simply refusing to talk about issues with your argument)

From the beginning I've been on one point, you either can not support your statement about textbooks OR the support isn't nearly as strong as you say.

You know you've lost this.  Time to suck it up loserboy.

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« Reply #1951 on: January 30, 2014, 04:15:14 PM »
so why dont you want to talk about the WIKIPEDIA OXYGEN CONCENTRATION CELL @sarkeizen? Anybody else notice this?

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« Reply #1952 on: January 30, 2014, 04:17:31 PM »
or wikipedia gaseous spillover cycles @sarkeizen? Anybody else notice this?

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« Reply #1953 on: January 30, 2014, 04:31:12 PM »
or the relation of wikipedia oxygen concentration cell to wikipedia catalyst oxygen gas spillover?anybody else notice this?

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« Reply #1954 on: January 30, 2014, 04:36:21 PM »
or platinum-gold oxygen gas spillover,nevermind platinum-platinum oxygen gas spillover?anybody else notice this?

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« Reply #1955 on: January 30, 2014, 04:47:26 PM »
Well, in short....your original statement that I disagreed with is about textbooks - all textbooks in fact (or virtually all or perhaps most).  So anything that doesn't start with a textbook citation can't really make that point.

Hence anything else is a distraction from this point.  So far you have produced no ordinary textbook cites about any of the other fantasies you are currently having.  Now in theory you could take an ordinary textbook like the one you deceived me into getting and demonstrate that it necessitates and predicts some wikipedia-unicorn-moron-thing and then attempt to try and demonstrate that such a thing necessitates a battery which powers an ipod-like device continually and eternally.

However a) You haven't done that b) It seems like the long way around to make your point c) It seems very, very, very, very, very much like you're just trying to distract from the point.  Since you yourself said that you discovered the wikipedia-monkey-karate-death-car during your postings with me.  However that was well after your made your statement about textbooks and well into your months of stalling.  So it's impossible for that have been the original reason for your statement.  So either you can still demonstrate your point from an ordinary textbook, or you realized that you can't and now are trying to snow me by bringing in all sorts of other non-textbooks things - most of which you don't appear to have read. :D :D :D :D :D

So why not jut own up, say you were wrong and move on?

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« Reply #1956 on: January 30, 2014, 05:01:46 PM »
how can i say im wrong with the monster nernst equation staring me and you in the face @sarkeizen dont be like this .my only point,given that ambient pressure gaseous concentration cells BEHAVE AS EXPECTED,is that i dont see kelvin statement anywhere in their thermodynamic cycles of operation.do you? Does anybody? Let them speak up now..

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« Reply #1957 on: January 30, 2014, 05:10:34 PM »
how can i say im wrong
Because you can't seem to form a formal logical argument from whatever you imagine an ordinary textbook says.  The fact that you don't really understand how physical equations are derived is interesting as well.
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my only point,
Wrong.  Your original point, which I disagreed with, which you reiterated several times was about TEXTBOOKS necessitating the existence of and ability to build batteries which would run an ipod-like device continually and forever.  If you want to CHANGE your point or even if you want to talk about something else.   Just admit that you can't support it.   If you could, why haven't you done so already?  Why have you spent so much time avoiding my questions, postulating new unrelated or unnecessary statements, demanding I demonstrate something that you made up and just generally being an all-around asshole?

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« Reply #1958 on: January 31, 2014, 01:27:53 AM »
and you still,to this day,cant seem to get it in your head that im telling you that this class of concentration cells behave as expected @sarkeizen,expected.how do you personaly expect the nernst equation to apply to e.g. an ambient pressure oxygen electrode concentration cell?theres only one way,the way its supposed to apply.

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« Reply #1959 on: January 31, 2014, 04:06:01 AM »
and you still,to this day,cant seem to get it in your head that im telling you that this class of concentration cells behave as expected
Depends.  If by "behavior" you mean "continuously and eternally running an ipod battery".  Then "expected" probably doesn't mean more than "expected by profitis the ultra-moron and general asshole to honest people."  Now if you mean "expected by the general populace of electrochemists and physicists" then that seems pretty unlikely.   For that to be expected by such a large group of people yet there is no direct note of it anywhere in a textbook.  No, "Here's how you create a battery that lasts forever" or "Hey we were just joking about the 2nd law" or "If you need to power something infinitely then here's how you do it". You've said this yourself.

So the fact that YOU expect some configuration of chemicals to behave in a certain way is not in dispute at all.  The problem is you said it's necessitated from an ordinary textbook which you still can't demonstrate.  I'm pretty sure you know you can't too.  So your only choice is to desperately try to change the subject...which is what you've been doing for months...and lying.

Just admit this and we can move on.

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« Reply #1960 on: January 31, 2014, 09:55:39 AM »
Yes i mean by the large grand population of electrochemists man.why do you think i keep asking you to bring one such an expert onboard and why do you keep stalling with that too? Now show me a textbook that discusses an wikipedia-type equal pressure oxygen concentration cell @sarkeizen.cmon,show me.. And while your at it,show me a discussion about bismuth electrode concentration cells,or bromine electrode concentration cells..or germanium electrode concentration cells..or iodine electrode concentration cells..very hard or impossible to find,does that mean they dont exist? The nernst formula is infallible @sarkeizen,it applies to all concentration cells.

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« Reply #1961 on: January 31, 2014, 04:48:44 PM »
Yes i mean by the large grand population of electrochemists
Then it should be no problem to find a textbook which clearly states: "Here's how you make a battery that will run a small device continually and eternally?" or "Here's when you should use an eternal battery design over a non-eternal one." or really any discussion that clearly talks about batteries which can power a device continuously and eternally like they were a real thing.

You can't, so that alone means that this line of discussion where you fantasize about how most electrochemists agree with you can't make your point about textbooks.  So it's irrelevant.

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very hard or impossible to find,does that mean they dont exist?

It doesn't mean that they do either and if these are the only examples of a text which makes your point.  Then....

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
:D You have just conceded the argument. :D
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Congratulations!!!! You lost and it only took you three months to realize what was clear to anybody with high-school logic in the first few posts.

Also thank you for providing a new lower bound for "stupid people I have met on the internet".

Of course...if these examples which you clearly just googled and sort of fabricated or deluded a connection between them and your own ideas.  If these AREN'T the only way to make your point.  Then they are - yet another - dodge.  Yawn.
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The nernst formula is infallible
See this is where I think you are just purely trolling, such a monumental level of ignorance about how physical formulae are derived is crazy.

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« Reply #1962 on: January 31, 2014, 06:51:21 PM »
lol @sarkeizen.you only win when you show a disconnection to the textbooks between a equal-pressure gaseous electrode concentration cell and the average college chem textbook.use jennifer lopez equation if you want,just find a spot for kelvin rule..

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« Reply #1963 on: January 31, 2014, 10:23:31 PM »
lol @sarkeizen.you only win when
You can't support your statement from an ordinary textbook.  That's the only statement I'm arguing.  Any other argument is simply your own delusion.

So again, are you saying you can't support your "eternal continuous ipod battery" from an ordinary textbook?  If you can, please do so...if not please give me some dodge, evasion, demand to build, demand to provide a proof of something I didn't say, demand to provide some member of the scientific community to speak...as a means of letting me know that you concede the point. :D :D :D

Take your time. :D

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« Reply #1964 on: February 01, 2014, 12:56:26 AM »
@sarkeizen.cycle 1 (on): compression of gas satisfies electrochemical entropy at expense of temperature entropy.cycle 2 (off): decompression of gas in line with temperature entropy. How is this concentration cell cycle incompatible with rules of college textbooks.theres zero incompatibility.zero incompatibility means we can use a college textbook to predict this repeatable cycle.

 

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