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Offline profitis

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« Reply #1905 on: January 24, 2014, 05:50:52 PM »
@lumen.potassium hydroxide,sodium hydroxide by far the best.sodium carbonate(washing soda),sodium tri-phosphate also excellent.make them concentrated.alkaline electrolytes are necessary.its like a fuel cell without air.you can use blackened nickel anode with rough etched copper cathode(copper not brass or bronze) and copper connecting wires in sodium hydroxide but be careful,air contamination corrodes the copper rapidly.you have to be certain that all surface metallic oxides and traces of oxygen present have been completely chemicaly reduced by the hydrogen before sealing.you must let the system rest a day or two under H2 to saturate the system,load it,before sealing.

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« Reply #1906 on: January 24, 2014, 06:23:31 PM »
@lumen.i forgot,you must thoroughly rinse nickel after the plating process.do not dunk it into alkaline electrolyte straight from the plating bath.rinse thoroughly first.to blacken silver or copper use them as an anode first in an sodium hydroxide electrolyte bath with a graphite cathode for a minute of two,then swap polarity and cathodize them until H2 bubbles stream off them hecticly.

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« Reply #1907 on: January 24, 2014, 07:08:32 PM »
.i,l post a photo after.
So where's your photo liar?

Just wondering.  :D :D :D :D

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« Reply #1908 on: January 24, 2014, 07:31:20 PM »
Profitis,
  from the evidence you have provided, and from what is available online, it seems that your understanding of concentration cells is incorrect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_cell
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A concentration cell is a limited form of a galvanic cell that has two equivalent half-cells

The picture of the cell you are describing here has only one cell with two electrodes in it:
http://www.overunity.com/12207/quentron-com/msg382512/#msg382512

Perhaps the device you describe does work as you suggest, but it doesn't look like it's a 'concentration cell' - because there is only 1 cell - hence no concentration gradient.

Regards, Tim

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« Reply #1909 on: January 24, 2014, 09:33:50 PM »
here@sarkeizen,without furballs in the way.see,you was lying,your book doesnt have my quote on page 304 :-)

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« Reply #1910 on: January 24, 2014, 09:40:55 PM »
its an electrode concentration cell @tim.the gradient is between electrodes not electrolyte :-).

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« Reply #1911 on: January 24, 2014, 09:57:14 PM »
here@sarkeizen,without furballs in the way.see,you was lying
Lying about what?  I have the book, I have page 304 and you saw there is no nernst equation there.

Why won't you show the whole page?  I did...what are you hiding...and your photo is really grainy...and why is your page number on the side of the page...you sure you didn't photoshop that?

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« Reply #1912 on: January 24, 2014, 10:12:04 PM »
and im supposed to take your word for it @sarkeizen? I mean,i didnt even see the words sienko n plane anywhere.all i saw was a cat and some info about zinc-carbons.shocking man.. Please send a pic of the book title on the page,then we,l know you have sienko n plane :-)

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« Reply #1913 on: January 24, 2014, 10:31:11 PM »
and im supposed to take your word for it @sarkeizen?
No if you actually HAD the book, which you don't.  You would have been able to find my quote from page 304 - even if it was a different edition or imprint or something.  You would be able to find it on another page. You would also be able to find the text in the photo I gave you.   It would be easy but you can't.

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I mean,i didnt even see the words sienko n plane
Proves that you don't have the book then.   The book doesn't print that text in the page footer or header (at least on 304).  Now if you had posted the whole page, we would have seen that but you decided to be deceptive.  Wonder why?  Oh yeah, you have no problem lying. :D

You sent some fuzzy photo of some book that puts page numbers in the left margin, underneath a topic heading, flush with the left edge of the text?

Riiiiiiiiight. :D 


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« Reply #1914 on: January 24, 2014, 10:40:26 PM »
Profitis, every link you provided, and the phrase 'concentration cell' itself, implies a galvanic reation, or transferrence of pressure / concentration.

While the diagram you provided may be a functional device, it's not related to the links, or the phrase.

None of the devices works by some quantum separation effect - as the quentron is supposed to.

So unless you can either:
 1) Provide any references related to your diagram / idea, or
 2) Build & demo the thing yourself.

Then I won't be pursuing this any more.

Regards, Tim

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« Reply #1915 on: January 24, 2014, 10:54:32 PM »
Lol.quit lying @sarkeizen.sienko nd plane has its name printed clearly on every page at the top :-).anyway,its not important because any textbook with info on the nernst formula can be used to predict and sustain ambient-pressure gaseous electrode concentration cells @sarkeizen,without interference from the monster kelvin law...

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« Reply #1916 on: January 24, 2014, 10:55:39 PM »
1) Provide any references related to your diagram / idea, or
Well I knew you would get there eventually. :D
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Build & demo the thing yourself
Yeah about that...remember the claim is that it runs eternally right?  So there's no actual empirical test for that right?

Now you could argue that you could build something that goes beyond the output (or some other metric) that is expected but  that runs into exactly the same way that Philip fooled himself, lumen fooled and continues to fool himself, and so on...

The amount of examination you can do of a system in a forum like this, simply isn't very good.

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« Reply #1917 on: January 25, 2014, 12:07:49 AM »
quit lying @sarkeizen.sienko nd plane has its name printed clearly on every page at the top
Well thanks for admitting you lied...(again)

a) You are lying, as I doubt you have looked at every page.
b) You are lying, since you can clearly see the top of the page in my photo.  If this was such a clear and unambiguous piece of evidence it would have jumped out at you.  It wouldn't have been "I didn't see those words anywhere".  It would have been "Hey it's missing the byline at the top this is a fake".   
c) You could have settled this, totally and completely by simply posting the photo, unfortunately I guess you have to take time to try and photoshop something. :D

Please post it when you are done.

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« Reply #1918 on: January 25, 2014, 10:20:52 PM »
@tim its directly related to my links and it works by a quantum work function differential affecting potential differential,like any galvanic cell,the only difference is a gas pressure difference arises at equilibrium(energy diagram shown below).

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« Reply #1919 on: January 25, 2014, 10:29:15 PM »
heres a video of a nickel/silver device under H2: www.overunity.com/downloads/sa/view/down/526/ . The power seen here roughly 0.5 milliamp/0.7v(top of discharge curve) on a few mm2 active nickel-black plating.the silver cathode etched.the electrolyte sodium hydroxide.