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Offline tim123

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« Reply #1890 on: January 23, 2014, 08:07:40 PM »
Profitis and Sarkeizen,
  with all due respect, you guys have been bickering like an old married couple for months now. It's pretty tedious...

Some of us occasionally consider posting on the topic, but the endless tide of spam from you guys is a big put off.

Either get married, or get divorced, eh.

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« Reply #1891 on: January 23, 2014, 08:26:53 PM »
its sarkeizens fault @tim.he wont admit defeat,even now while he,s standing in a wikipedia corner.please,have your say.this debate couldve been put to rest ages ago if sarkeizen had just built any of the diagrammed cells and checked it out firsthand.

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« Reply #1892 on: January 23, 2014, 08:43:29 PM »
Hi Profitis,
  I understand the principle of the Quentron device, and the 'Sebby' unit. Although I'm not really qualified to express an opinion, I might be cajoled into doing so...

I think there's a great deal of misunderstanding in physics, and the world in general, and between you guys too... I think that Quantum Mechanics is *uncertain* ;)...

The bottom line is always experimental proof.

Is there, buried somewhere in the thread, something that can be built, which is testable? Other that the Quentron device itself which requires special processes...

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« Reply #1892 on: January 23, 2014, 08:43:29 PM »
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« Reply #1893 on: January 23, 2014, 09:06:16 PM »
amazing @tim.ive been waiting the whole time for someone with common sense such as yourself to visit the thread and ask that important question.yes there is such a device buried in this thread.its on page 121 i think (for uncompressed data viewers),the diagram blueprint for a palladium/silver hydrogen concentration cell.it gives whopping power(for a concentration cell) permanently.about 1volt and 10-30 milli-amperes/cm2 electrode area at the top of its discharge curve.its quite expensive to make but it,s undeniably useful for powering small to medium electronic devices.you must make sure that it is absolutely sealed to prevent gas leakage and air entry.

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« Reply #1894 on: January 23, 2014, 10:17:32 PM »
It looks like you could find everything you would need to build the cell on Ebay for about $100 or less.
 

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« Reply #1895 on: January 23, 2014, 10:35:02 PM »
Hi Profits,
  Ok, the post is this one: http://www.overunity.com/12207/quentron-com/msg382512/#msg382512

It looks quite simple in principle. But expensive indeed.
Palladium foil - Thickness: 0.0015mm 25x25mm £ 420 - (http://www.shopmetals.co.uk/pd_fl_005.html)

 1) Is there a way of doing it with cheaper materials?
 2) What exactly is the principle of operation - where does the power come from? Is it a similar QM effect to Quentron?
 3) Has it ever been experimentally proven - if so by whom? Reference?

Thanks
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« Reply #1896 on: January 23, 2014, 10:42:39 PM »
Profitis and Sarkeizen,
  with all due respect, you guys have been bickering like an old married couple for months now. It's pretty tedious...
Seriously?  Compared to what?  Waiting years for Philip's nothing-machine?

Tell you what, as soon as Philip produces something non-stupid then I'll gladly let him have his soapbox back. Deal? :)

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« Reply #1897 on: January 24, 2014, 01:16:16 AM »
@tim 1)yes nickel may substitute palladium.the nickel must be tightly coated with nickel-black or at least grey spongy layer electrolyticaly before use(this is an art).2)yes its identical to quenco,s fundamental principal,except its electrochemical,not thermionic.quenco is an electron concentration cell and this is an electrochemical concentration cell.it obeys all the rules of concentration cells except kelvins rule.palladium/nickel concentrating thousands times more hydrogen on their surface than silver.3)ive done plenty experiments but i must warn you that its no easy feat getting hydrogen to saturate nickel/palladium,AND seal the device off free of air.if theres air trapped inside after sealing then implosion can result due to vaccuum forming.silver or gold wire must be used as your contact wires in the cell as they dont dissolve hydrogen and leak it. nickel gives somewhat less power than palladium.a few milliamps/cm2,still good enough for some practical purposes,especially in series.

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« Reply #1898 on: January 24, 2014, 02:59:49 AM »
sotheonlythingthatpreventsusfromusingfreeenergyisprofitisawkwardpunctuationschemeandhisrefusaltoprovidethecitationshepromisedbutotherwiseitsadonedeal.

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« Reply #1899 on: January 24, 2014, 04:19:57 AM »
The first sentence on page 304 is "In the alkaline version, as shown in Fig. 11.12b NH4CL is replaced by KOH."

So I wonder, what excuse profits will come up with now....

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« Reply #1900 on: January 24, 2014, 10:02:54 AM »
I've found a few links to what sound like similar devices. Profitis - is this the same? They have similarities to what you posted, but they don't look quite the same...

 - Nernst Equation - http://qmviews.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/chem-001-nernst-equation.html
 - Concentration Cells - http://dwb4.unl.edu/Chem/CHEM869U/CHEM869UMats/ConcentrationCells.html
 - http://alevelchem.com/aqa_a_level_chemistry/unit3.5/s353/02.htm
 - http://jes.ecsdl.org/content/158/6/B667.abstract
   "The Electromotive Force of a Hydrogen and/or Oxygen Concentration Cell Using 10 mol % In-doped CaZrO3 as the Solid Electrolyte"

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« Reply #1901 on: January 24, 2014, 03:36:56 PM »
@orbut: itsadonedeal baby..wink-wink ;-)  @sarkeizen: please send a photo of page 304 so that i can see too.its impossible for me to determine if i was lying about that book without evidence.

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« Reply #1902 on: January 24, 2014, 03:58:01 PM »
@tim those concentration cells are all type 1 concentration cells,electrolyte concentration cells,except the last one which is a type 2 concentration cell,an electrode concentration cell,which is the category for our cells here,including karpen,s cell,including the wikipedia o2 concentration cell.ours falls directly in line with the one explained here: www.chem.queensu.ca/people/faculty/mombourquette/Chem221/8_Equilibrium/Electrochem.asp where the species is hydrogen differentialy absorbed into nickel/palladium/platinum versus silver. The last cell you linked is of this type electrode concentration cell : www.askiitians.com/iit-jee-chemistry/physical-chemistry/concentration-cell.aspx ,where we must put in energy to create a pressure differiential across two identical gaseous electrodes.our gaseous electrodes create a concentration differiential at equal pressure without expenditure of energy on our part.

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« Reply #1903 on: January 24, 2014, 05:06:54 PM »
What would be the best electrolyte for the palladium and silver cell so there would be no reaction to the electrodes?


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« Reply #1904 on: January 24, 2014, 05:26:30 PM »
What would be the best electrolyte for the palladium and silver cell so there would be no reaction to the electrodes?
I'm pretty sure the correct answer is "Unicorn".  If that doesn't work try "Eye of newt".  Seriously, nonsense tinkerers constantly trying to create more and more elaborate ways of fooling themselves.
@sarkeizen: please send a photo of page 304 so that i can see too.its impossible for me to determine if i was lying about that book without evidence.
I can see how it would be hard for you to validate that sentence being on page 304 (or even a nearby page) if you don't have the book...it's ok.

Anyway I hope this is ok...my cat jumped into the frame, while I was trying to take the picture.  You know how cats are.

 

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