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Offline profitis

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« Reply #1590 on: November 11, 2013, 10:27:38 PM »
@sarkeizen yet im capable of refering you to the section titled,'rules of electrochemical cells'. please apply @sarkeizen.what.is.wrong.widjoo.apply the rules @sarkeizen.apply the rules of cells @sarkeizen.no tricks,no deception,no jokes.apply the rules to a T.not a B or an A,or a Z.a T @sarkeizen.a T so precise,so scientificly conservative,so disgustingly non-artistic,non-creative.a T @sarkeizen.doesnt this frighten you?it should.

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« Reply #1591 on: November 11, 2013, 11:49:43 PM »
@sarkeizen yet im capable of...
...attempting to get other people to do your homework.  Yes you consistently ask me to research your point for you.  Which you said is plainly found in any textbook.  So either:

i) You do not have access to textbooks.
ii) You have textbooks and are unwilling to look things up in them and report them here in a way that I can easily check.
iii) You have textbooks are willing too look things up in them and report them here in a way that I can easily check but the things you are talking about are not contained in them (or are not contained in them in a clear fashion which makes your point)

As these are mutually exclusive and collectively exhaustive (in the current situation) and since i) is exceptionally unlikely and ii) violates the social contract of the discussion the most likely candidate is iii) if you are being sincere.  If you're not then the likely case is ii).

So you keep making your argument less likely (or yourself more of a jerk) with every vacuous post.

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« Reply #1592 on: November 12, 2013, 06:41:08 AM »
idono @sarkeizen you sound highly suspect.why would someone want a quotas when they was refered to a generalized textbook to calculate all relevant issues?its either because a)you dont understand chemistry textbooks and require help along the way,just say so if thats the case or b)you want to sabotage the claimants case by simply repeating the phrase,'but the emotional word everlasting isnt there' or c)your feelings are hurt by the possibility that the claimant is correct.which is it?the social contract was honoured when i wrote down the principals of electrochemistry earlier in the thread to assist your calculations.textbooks dont have emotional words like 'everlasting' in them even if something is everlasting.they speak just formulas and math.

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« Reply #1592 on: November 12, 2013, 06:41:08 AM »
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« Reply #1593 on: November 12, 2013, 02:46:23 PM »
idono @sarkeizen you sound highly suspect.why would someone want a quotas
Just a cite EOA, that's what's been asked for and you said you would provide and you haven't.

Again either you have no access to textbooks, have access to them and will not provide them in a way that I can check or have access are willing to provide but they don't make your point.
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they was refered to a generalized textbook to calculate all relevant issues
If this was true then you could provide a formal logical argument (a series of steps where each one is forced by the prior one) which would reach your stated conclusion (you can create a battery which will run an ipod or ipod like device forever) using only the resource you claim you have referred to.  However, you haven't done so even though you have been asked repeatedly.

Again this leaves us with a few mutually exclusive and collectively exhaustive options:

i) You are not capable of making such an argument
ii) You are capable but are unwilling.
iii) You are capable and willing but the data simply does not support it.

If i) then your opinion is weaker than you claim it is, if ii) then you are violating the social contract of the discussion.  So again the most likely option, if you are being sincere and are at least knowledgeable enough to determine if you could make a logical argument is iii).

Your argument wasn't mutually exclusive or collectively exhaustive so your conclusion is not valid.

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« Reply #1594 on: November 12, 2013, 10:44:38 PM »
profitis, have you considered to replicate the karpen pile with activated carbon. Surely the ginormous surface area of the material should have a profound effect on current.

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« Reply #1595 on: November 13, 2013, 07:51:51 PM »
ive tried it all @broli.carbon rods from zinc-carbon batteries are actualy compressed activated carbon and they must be dewaxed,cleaned etc before use in karpen systems.for oxygen systems they give a good demonstration of a concentration cell coupled with e.g. silver cathodes in alkaline media but they tend to cling on to gases thus they arent really practical in this instance.they may,however,be highly practical for non-gasesous systems.

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« Reply #1596 on: November 13, 2013, 11:20:28 PM »
Well yeah I assumed we were talking about a liquid system. Activated carbon comes in many different types, they can also be impregnated with different substances including silver. So a regular and impregnated electrode could be used for instance in such system.

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« Reply #1597 on: November 14, 2013, 04:26:27 AM »
yes @broli.but it is better to use just plain silver with a highly blackened surface(electrolyticly anodized silver,sponge silver) seperate from the carbon otherwise you will have a cell within a cell,oxygen spillover from the silver to the carbon within the cathode itself. 

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« Reply #1598 on: November 15, 2013, 07:43:41 PM »
@sarkeizen its just the electrochemical variant of the following process.thats all it is.nothing more nothing less..totaly reversable.

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« Reply #1599 on: November 16, 2013, 02:49:06 AM »
@sarkeizen its just the electrochemical variant of the following process.thats all it is.nothing more nothing less..totaly reversable.
Which is not a formal logical argument, which of course makes my point.  If the books were so clear, then you could create a series of steps each of which is forced by the prior one which brings us to the conclusion that you can build a battery which will run an ipod like device forever.

Your desire to imagine that some thing is just like some other thing is, of course irrelevant.

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« Reply #1600 on: November 16, 2013, 03:43:34 PM »
no imagination required @sarkeizen,just integration.because the oxygen activity potential difference is directly tied to the work function difference at ordinary pressure,compensation must occur in order to flatten the potential.thus a karpen system will only come to rest when a pressure difference is maintained between the two electrodes.here Eo2=oxygen activity potential.p=gas pressure:   

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« Reply #1600 on: November 16, 2013, 03:43:34 PM »
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« Reply #1601 on: November 16, 2013, 07:12:41 PM »
Here's a different take on the above.

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Two similar and parallel Ag-O-Cs surfaces in a vacuum tube ceaselessly eject electrons at room temperature. A static magnetic field applied to the tube plays the role of "Maxwell's demon". The thermal electrons are so controlled by the magnetic field that they can travel only from one Ag-O-Cs surface to the other, resulting in collections of positive and negative charge on the two surfaces, respectively, with an electric potential between the two surfaces. A load, a resistance outside of the tube for example, is connected by wires to the two surfaces, continuously receiving electric power from the tube. The ambient air is a single heat reservoir in this situation, and all of the heat extracted by the tube from the air is converted to electric energy, without producing any other effect. The authors believe that the experiment is in contradiction to Kelvin's statement, and that the famous hypothesis proposed by Maxwell about 140 years ago is eventually realized.
The paper:
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0311104

The video:
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Different paper same team:
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0509111

A different view on the experiment:
http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/15/5/1916

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« Reply #1602 on: November 17, 2013, 06:50:42 PM »
really interesting @broli.2 same work functions with the magnetic field acting as suppressor grid.what do you think would happen if we took Cs or barium and put it in close proximity(a few nanometers)from a high work function material eg gold and then bring it close to a magnetic field? Might solve hardcastles dilemma and do away with the need for that cumbersome middle suppressor grid.

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« Reply #1603 on: November 18, 2013, 03:34:08 AM »
no imagination required @sarkeizen,just integration.because the oxygen activity potential difference is directly tied to the work function difference at ordinary pressure,compensation must occur in order to flatten the potential.thus a karpen system will only come to rest when a pressure difference is maintained between the two electrodes.here Eo2=oxygen activity potential.p=gas pressure:
Yawn.  Still no formal argument.  Still no cite. So still you fail.

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« Reply #1604 on: November 18, 2013, 08:56:18 PM »
errm @sarkeizen..formal argument?fail? A karpen cell will absolutely not stop until you maintain a   pressure difference between the two gaseous electrodes.this you can test .this you can check.this you can 1)see 2)feel 3)touch 4)test 5)mathematicize.this @ sarkeizen is revolutionary..we are entering a new age with new energy sources.money is to be made.   

 

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