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« Reply #1470 on: October 08, 2013, 06:39:11 PM »
@sarkeizen thats why im shy to stake claims about the 2nd law. that is something for people to decide for themselves in their calculators,ipods,labs,brains,whatever on their own time and leisure as its generaly impossible to convince people who dont have something to gain by purchasing and/or physicly playing with such devices so what i rather do here on the thread is simply show the connection of established formulas to the system and then ask you to help me find a flaw .the textbooks predict the cell and its voltage theres no question about it,thus textbooks also predict its functioning and so we simply follow through and by following through exactly by rules we get the shock of our lives.or do we? If a system with 2 maximum entropy states(not 1) calls to go up a temperature gradient for 1 state and down the gradient for the other why not? If we throw some salt into water it heats up.if we throw some  KNO3 into water it cools down ie.entropy doesnt care how you get there just as long as you get there.i,l organise that book just now,just having a kofi quik..

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« Reply #1471 on: October 08, 2013, 07:22:03 PM »
@sarkeizen thats why im shy to stake claims about the 2nd law. that is something for people to decide for themselves
Deeply and truly idiotic of you to say so.  A violation of the 2nd law is not subjective.  It's also ingenuous since you have many times made statements where are necessarily equivalent to breaking the 2nd law.

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what i rather do here on the thread is simply show the connection of established formulas to the system and then ask you to help me find a flaw
Actually what you do is blather mindlessly to make yourself feel more convinced.  You constantly refuse to answer my question. (implied request #19).

 "Help you find a flaw" rings pretty empty when you explain poorly, define no terms usefully, refuse to think critically and have notation that would earn you a failing grade in anything outside of high-school.  So much so it's worthless reading just about anything you write. All of which could be helped by citing a text (Request #20) not to mention validating your initial assertion that every text supports your conclusion.

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« Reply #1472 on: October 08, 2013, 08:59:08 PM »
@sarkeizen but thats what im asking you,what part of a  O2 concentration cell doesnt fit with your world view, your belief system,your visual/psychological robotics?you expect an O2 concentration cell to reach a permanent equilibrium like many people ok but the rules of the textbooks dont imply it as the rules of the textbooks tell us what happens after the switch is tripped aswell as before its tripped.all im asking you to do is APPLY those rules @sarkeizen,not MY rules YOUR RULES ie apply YOUR own rules to two identical platinum electrodes at different depths in a glass of acid.your making me angry so im going to delay quoting from the textbook now.

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« Reply #1473 on: October 08, 2013, 09:58:46 PM »
@sarkeizen but thats what im asking you,what part of a  O2 concentration cell doesnt fit
Actually what you're doing is (in addition to trolling) attempting to argue by ignorance.  You have had ample time to produce a cite.  I think it's reasonably likely that the textbooks don't really say anything very close to what you are concluding.  While you might be able to find formulae that vaguely resemble what you are typing (and it's not even clear that you even understand what you are typing considering you couldn't even tell me what one symbol meant).   You won't find a claim equivalent to your claim that you can build a battery that will run something like an iPod forever.

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your making me angry so im going to delay quoting from the textbook now.
Troll, troll, troll, troll, troll...ROFL :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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« Reply #1474 on: October 08, 2013, 10:05:11 PM »
@sarkeizen hillarious yes !  you refuse to apply your rules to a common air-cell lol! Omg

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« Reply #1475 on: October 08, 2013, 11:09:55 PM »
you refuse to apply your rules to a common air-cell
Which rules are those?  The primary set of rules we've been discussing are those in textbooks.  That was your claim, that any textbook would validate that you can create a battery which would run an ipod like device forever.  I don't have a textbook  So I asked you for a cite.  At that point all, real conversation stopped and you spent post after post avoiding this really simple question.

At this point, I think it's quite possible that textbooks don't actually validate your point or at least you don't know if they do or not.   I lean to the former because evidence suggests that you actually don't understand the formulae you are posting.  You are also, of course going for some kind of trolling record.

As for me, aside from laughing at you.  I'm due to hit "hero member" in less than a month.  Given your problem with citing and my tenacity for calling you on it.


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« Reply #1476 on: October 09, 2013, 12:37:44 AM »
@sarkeizen i cited a wikipaedia formula that shows it works,so why do you want a cite from a textbook?sounds like your just being an ass.if you think i dont understand the formula thats your problem not mine.

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« Reply #1477 on: October 09, 2013, 03:45:41 AM »
@sarkeizen i cited a
Wrong. Go back and read what a cite is. :D
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why do you want a cite from a textbook?
Well for one because that was the claim you made and that I have contention with...do I really need to quote it again?  You made a clear-as-day claim that your conclusion was supported by not just *a* textbook but virtually all textbooks.  In fact you specifically requested that we focus on what the textbooks say. 

Are you withdrawing this claim? or does it still stand?  If the former then perhaps we can talk about something else if the later I will continue to pursue the claim you made.

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sounds like your just being an ass.
ROFL.  Actually that's you.

It was your claim, is it somehow bad manners for you to be held to your own claim?  If so, then I guess I'm not Emily Post.
On the other hand you've spent a week or so just avoiding fulfilling a task that should be easy for you to do.  If it's hard, then I would have expected an explanation.  It seems deliberate so I figure you're a troll.  Which kind of makes you the ass, don't you think?

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if you think i dont understand the formula
What evidence do we have that you understand anything?  A few formulae which doesn't really resemble what comes out of a textbook, containing symbols that are not standard math symbols and when asked what they are supposed to represent (both explicitly and implicitly you were asked this) you don't seem capable of answer.

What other choice does a rational person have except to consider you ignorant?

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« Reply #1478 on: October 09, 2013, 01:23:31 PM »
@sarkeizen citation: concentration cell,a galvanic cell in which the chemical energy  converted in2 electrical energy is arising from the concentration difference of a species at the 2 electrodes of a cell.this process will continue until the concentration difference is equaled in the cell. electrochem.cwru.edu. A marvelous citation from a internet electrochem dictionary.so now lets hear your grievences with this crystal clear citation predicting a air-conc. cell that continues until equilibrium.i,l organise that textbook citation just now i promise,having a kofi quick..     
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« Reply #1479 on: October 09, 2013, 05:02:49 PM »
now lets hear your grievences with this crystal clear citation
Go back and read what I wrote about citations.  Why do you try so hard to avoid what any high-school student can do?  I mean unless you're a troll?  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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l organise that textbook citation just now
Yawn.  Troll, troll, troll troll.

This sounds like an employee trying to weasel out of work.   Since when does citing a textbook - that you would think you OWN - requires organization.  Oh yeah, it's a HUGE undertaking, requiring thousands of person-hours to look something up in an INDEX.  It's like building the Brooklyn Bridge finding that thing that is in EVERY textbook.

You are hilariously stupid.

Aside: Isn't it kind of tedious typing deliberately poorly?

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« Reply #1480 on: October 09, 2013, 05:19:35 PM »
@sarkeizen so you have no grievences with that citation?yes or no

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« Reply #1481 on: October 09, 2013, 05:26:30 PM »
@sarkeizen so you have no grievences with that citation?yes or no?
It's not a cite.  Read what I wrote about citations, figure out what you did wrong.

In fact, as a general rule I would advise that few people enjoy repeating themselves as much as I do so your lack of desire and/or inclination in this respect might explain your inability to have a conversation with well...everyone here.

READING - those tv shows you watched as a kid were right.  It's important! :D :D

Also - 4 hours after your quick coffee...no textbook cite or are you still in the "organizational" part of that process.  Perhaps recruiting a team of researchers to find what you claim is in every textbook?

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« Reply #1482 on: October 09, 2013, 05:30:24 PM »
@sarkeizen so you have no grievence with that citation case closed.now theres no need to cite anything more..

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« Reply #1483 on: October 09, 2013, 05:31:27 PM »
@sarkeizen so you have no grievence with that citation case closed.now theres no need to cite anything more..
As I said.  It's not a cite.

Suppose you were working your shift at Burger King and a customer comes in and orders a Whopper and you say: "Here's your sandwich let me know if you have any problems." and you hand them a frog.  Are you saying that you can infer they are completely satisfied with something you didn't give them?

I mean the frog isn't even between two slices of bread. :D

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« Reply #1484 on: October 09, 2013, 05:40:31 PM »
@sarkeizen so you  endorse that citation too,niiicccee

 

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