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« Reply #1425 on: October 02, 2013, 07:58:34 PM »
@sarkeizen i made a claim that a O2 concentration cell will power your calculator for 30 years(somebody is going to break it,pet dog,kids,angry neibor etc) and that it works on exactly the same principal as quenco(an electron concentration cell). i did not make a claim that either quenco or hammerstein is a 2lot violation,however when i was asked by you if it is a 2lot violation(after being suckered into your courtroom)i gave an answer in the affirmative.i gave an answer,i did not claim.big big difference.then i ran from your courtroom narrowly escaping a guilty verdict and savage knifewounds barely one minute into the trial before the jury had even arrived.now you want me to come back into YOUR courtroom to face more of your crap instead of just building the thing and testing it?disgusting. yes the textbook will tell you how to build a quenco-hammerstein cell that will absolutely work.it will not tell you how to violate 2lot,are we clear now?forget about what philip said.a quenco wont violate 2lot but it will power your ipod for 97 years(lifespan of the transistor on-switch in the ipod circuit).guaranteed.

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« Reply #1426 on: October 02, 2013, 08:54:03 PM »
@sarkeizen i made a claim that a O2 concentration cell will power your calculator for 30 years
Nope.  You said: "power ipods permanently.in fact its imposible to drain their power or even weaken their power unless you break them up."  At no point did you say that this claim was invalid.  If it is, stand up and say so.

Permanently.  Impossible.  Those are pretty strong claims.
Are you saying that such a claim, when true in an isothermal environment does not NECESSTATE a 2LOT violation?  If they do.  How is that different than claiming this device violates 2LOT.
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works on exactly the same principal as quenco(an electron concentration cell).
The only claim you can make is that it works on exactly the same principle as the PROPOSED quenco.  Nobody has quencos.   The proposal is that it works by converting environmental heat into electricity.  Does your device not work by absorbing heat?

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i did not make a claim that either quenco or hammerstein is a 2lot violation
Ok you claimed that it works on the EXACT principle as quenco claims to.  Quenco CLAIMS to absorb heat and turn it into electricity even in an isothermal environment.  Does your thing not do that?

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i gave an answer,i did not claim.big big difference.
ROFL.  Man are you squirming. So now you want to attempt a special definition of "claim".  Which means something much, much, much less than "states as true".
This forces me to ask again.  Are you stupid?

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then i ran from your courtroom narrowly escaping a guilty verdict and savage knifewounds barely one minute into the trial before the jury had even arrived.
You fantasies are pretty vivid.  I wonder what they're like when you're sober.

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now you want me to come back into YOUR courtroom
If there is a courtroom it's in YOUR HEAD.  Perhaps brought on because you refuse to either backdown from claims you clearly made (like powering something forever in an isothermal environment) OR provide the location of where these claims can be validated in a textbook  Which YOU SAID was where I could find validation.

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to face more of your crap instead of just building the thing and testing it?disgusting.
Dude, you made a few claims.  Including one about 2LOT violation - even though you are trying like freaking crazy - to the point of *redefining* the word "claim".  To avoid...heck I don't know what you are trying to avoid there perhaps you need to have a talk with someone or something.

Other claims were that in some textbook somewhere there is information that validates some device which will power something like an iPod FOREVER.  I'd simply like to know which textbook and where in it.  This again amongst humans is a pretty reasonable question.   Why don't you answer it?  Really.  Why?

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yes the textbook will tell you how to build a quenco-hammerstein cell that will absolutely work.
You said that the RULES in the textbook state that it will power something like an iPod FOREVER.  I'd like to see those rules.  Can you point me to a specific textbook and a specific place in it?  Why not?

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forget about what philip said.a quenco wont violate 2lot but it will power your ipod for 97 years(lifespan of the transistor on-switch in the ipod circuit).guaranteed.
Sorry the guarantee from someone who stresses "these rules in a textbook show that you can construct something that will run something like an iPod FOREVER" but when asked "which textbook specifically?" spends every waking moment avoiding the question isn't worth very much.

Seriously dude.  I'm asking you to answer ONE question which was posed - AT YOUR BEHEST (you said to focus on the textbooks).  How is it that you are singularly useless at answering it?

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« Reply #1427 on: October 02, 2013, 09:59:29 PM »
@sarkeizen i already told you dude.why must i repeat myself? reach for a standard chem textbook,go to section titled concentration cells,use it to help you build a O2 concentration cell,test it on your calculator for permanent number of years.what part of this process dont you a)understand b)get.. You said the word permanent implies a 2lot disgrace and so?what are you waiting for?must i now sing?jump up n down?pay you?..?

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« Reply #1428 on: October 02, 2013, 10:31:28 PM »
@sarkeizen i already told you dude
Wrong as usual...

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.its written and predicted in  textbooks under section 'electrode concentration cells'
See, you said this.  I am asking WHERE it is WRITTEN AND PREDICTED.  Your words.  Not mine.  Either admit you lied and this is not written and predicted or tell me where it is written and predicted or admit you don't know where it is written and predicted.

You have not told me where, precisely this cell that will power something forever in an isothermal environment is written and predicted.   You said these things now man up.

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why must i repeat myself? reach for a standard chem textbook,go to section titled concentration cells,use it to help you build a O2 concentration cell
You probably have to repeat yourself because you're consistently not answering giving me the information you said you had (or at least implied you had).  Notice in this quote nothing whatsoever was mentioned about building anything.  You just made that up after to avoid answering the question.

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test it on your calculator for permanent number of years.what part of this process dont you
The fact that it has nothing to do with the question I asked about the information you said was "written and predicted".  Why say "written and predicted" if you can't tell me where the powers-an-ipod-forever-battery-is "written and predicted".

Again, your words.  You said this.  Why are you being so evasive about showing me something you claimed you could answer.

Also unless you're a moron, you would realize that your test wouldn't demonstrate a 2LOT violation.

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You said the word permanent implies a 2lot disgrace and so?what are you waiting for?must i now sing?jump up n down?pay you?..?
I want you to answer the question that you implied you could answer, or admit you didn't really know what you were talking about or that you lied.

On the upside I'm sure I'll be a "hero member" in no time since Profitis will probably keep dancing and squirming for weeks.

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« Reply #1429 on: October 02, 2013, 11:34:02 PM »
@sarkeizen..written E= RTIn C1/C2.predicted E= RTIn c1O2/c2O2. Here is your formulae for a very well predicted O2 hammerstein cell voltage.now lets check up duration uhhm uhh whats that formula for capacity again W=V x I,,,x time..V=0.3 (hammerstein volts) x 1000micro-amp x time,uhm time? Time?holy shit its permanent! the friggen fuel to the anode is replenished by the cathode,mama mia.

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« Reply #1430 on: October 03, 2013, 12:30:55 AM »
@sarkeizen..written E= RTIn C1/C2.predicted E= RTIn c1O2/c2O2. Here is your formulae for a very well predicted O2 hammerstein cell voltage.now lets check up duration uhhm uhh whats that formula for capacity again W=V x I,,,x time..V=0.3 (hammerstein volts) x 1000micro-amp x time,uhm time? Time?holy shit its permanent! the friggen fuel to the anode is replenished by the cathode,mama mia.
What textbook is this from....and what page because you said:

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.its written and predicted in  textbooks under section 'electrode concentration cells'

So please cite the textbook.  I mean that's what you said.  So if you didn't lie.  It should be in a textbook.  Predicting a cell that will power an iPod forever.  Right?  That's what you said right?  So if you weren't being deceptive.  Then you should be able to point to a textbook that predicts this.  Right?  You said written and predicted in a textbook.  So, because I think you're an honest person.  I'd expect you to be able to produce a cite from a mainstream textbook and then you can tell me where.

Simple.  If you were being very honest.  If you were being less than honest you might dance around a lot and try any which way to avoid answering the question. 

But I have faith. :D ... as my post count skyrockets. :D



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« Reply #1431 on: October 03, 2013, 01:14:30 AM »
@sarkeizen even more predicted..E= qM + §MSu..where q is the work function and E is the electrode potential thus Eo2 (a)-Eo2 (b) =qM (a)- qM (b) = E hammerstein.

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« Reply #1432 on: October 03, 2013, 02:22:00 AM »
@sarkeizen replenished: O + 2H+ +2e- = H2O(cathode E=nF+RTln aO2 + work function platinum).H2O = O + 2H+ + 2e-(anode E=nF +RTln aO2 + work function gold). E hammerstein =work function gold -work function platinum
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« Reply #1433 on: October 03, 2013, 02:32:54 AM »
@sarkeizen replenished: O + 2H+ +2e- = H2O(cathode E=RTln aO2 + work function platinum).H2O = O + 2H+ + 2e-(anode E=RTln aO2 + work function gold). E hammerstein =work function gold -work function platinum
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Textbook please....if you're being honest.  If you're not, well you should be honest about that.

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« Reply #1434 on: October 03, 2013, 02:13:42 PM »
 the scary bit E hammerstein =E Pt-O(ads) - E Au-O(ads) simplifies Equenco= EAu-EPt

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« Reply #1435 on: October 03, 2013, 04:02:57 PM »
the scary bit E hammerstein =E Pt-O(ads) - E Au-O(ads) simplifies Equenco= EAu-EPt

But you said...

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.its written and predicted in  textbooks under section 'electrode concentration cells'

So where is it?  So far you just seem to be doing yet another dance to avoid the question that you wanted me to ask and kind of making yourself out to be a liar in the process.

Not to mention that your notation is so unbearably bad it's like reading a kindergartners (and your usual all-too deliberate typing style doesn't help).  I suspect you're just copying something from a free energy web page or just making crap up.  I mean is "§" a wreath product, a selection, a summation sign, a definite integral, a contour integral, a partial integral, a scilicet or simply an admission you don't know what you're talking about?

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« Reply #1436 on: October 03, 2013, 04:41:51 PM »
@sarkeizen woooo! you want to be my schoolteacher now? Kinky but not my thing thanks.just go to an average chem textbook and use it to help you build an O2 concentration cell and test it thoroughly,and i mean thoroughly.if you dont want to build it you can draw it ie.draw a standard diagrammed concentration cell and chek if it runs forever ON PAPER to your satisfaction since you absolutely and stubbornly refuse to build the frikkn thing.fair enough?

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« Reply #1437 on: October 03, 2013, 05:56:28 PM »
you want to be my schoolteacher now?
No but if you're going to write something it should be intelligible and your deliberate misspellings and typographical conventions are silly.  You don't even know what half the things I mentioned are.  Do you?
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just go to an average chem textbook and use it to help you build
What?  Back to building again? You see for some reason I thought you said:
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Oh that's because you did...and you're reneging on that.  How disappointing.

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test it thoroughly,and i mean thoroughly.
You are, yet again an idiot.  I've already explained that nothing in my house, or my neighbours house or my non-existent electrochemist friend's house.  Can test this in any meaningful way.

The only reason I bothered asking you anything was i) because you whined like an infant about my talking about 2LOT (then you turned around and talked about it as much or more yourself even when it was clearly not the topic at hand) and ii) because you said a textbook predicted it, that we should focus on the textbooks.  Here I am trying to do that and all you're doing is avoiding some pretty important questions to do just that.

Why are you avoiding the question?

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chek if it runs forever ON PAPER to your satisfaction since you absolutely and stubbornly refuse to build the frikkn thing.
ROFL.  Seriously?  That probably can't be done.  You can hypothesize about physical systems on paper but you can't actually test them.  You can test, in a really laborious way a computer program on paper, or a finite state automata or even a formal axiomatic system but a physical system probably not.

It's not being stubborn.  It's just holding you to your word.  There is no value to the question at hand in building it, there is no value to the question at hand for you to constantly try to sidetrack the conversation into building it.

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fair enough?
No.  You said...

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.its written and predicted in  textbooks under section 'electrode concentration cells'

Again, nowhere does this say that I need to build anything.  If you want to withdraw this statement then just say so or perhaps you were stretching the truth a bit.  Just man up and say so.

and just stop being a dick about it.

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« Reply #1438 on: October 03, 2013, 07:05:59 PM »
@sarkeizen..written E=nF +RTln C(a). Predicted E=nF +RTln C(O2). translation: this formula,applied to every single battery electrode predicts that the voltage of an O2 electrode will be directly proportional to the concentration of O2 on that electrode.it predicts that we can build a cell with 2 O2 electrodes with 2 different O2 concentrations on them.we use such electrodes as indicators for aquarium O2 levels,oceanic O2 levels because their voltage is directly proportional to their O2 concentration.we use these electrodes in zinc-air batteries too.if we cover the air vent of a zinc-air cell we see the voltage come down,why?because the O2 concentration drops at the air electrode @sarkeizen,predicted again,by E=nF+RTln CO2.if ocean scientists want to use this  formula to predict their O2 concentrations why dont you want to use it to predict O2 concentration cells? 

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« Reply #1439 on: October 03, 2013, 08:19:58 PM »
@sarkeizen..to summarize,that formula predicts the possibility of construction of a quenco cell..if you cant see it get a friend to translate it,this given quenco predicting formula found in textbooks.

 

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