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Offline KHaeus

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« Reply #135 on: June 26, 2012, 09:58:09 PM »
Dear Philip (and all others),

I've been following the whole thread about your Quenco device and technology and I want to state here, that amongst all the OU devices I have come along, this is by far the most thrilling concept. Simply because of its
1. compactness, 2. power density and 3. cost efficiency (at least the prospect to reach very low cost when going mass production). No Rossi E-Cat, Bedini, et al could make my eyes brighter than Quenco and their business models do not convince me, since they are not open enough.

Being neither an electronic expert (my background is mechatronics) nor a "senior" member of the free Energy community, I am not the right person to give technical advices. But as a convinced believer in the existence of free energy and the success of open-source technology, I want to encourage Philip to stay on track and fully concentrate on the most important topic: make the Quenco as cheap as possible. Don't try to develop full-featured devices, let others do this for you and to your and our all benefit.

I am wondering how we could possibly help Philip in this stage? Donations, testing, technical inputs? It should really be in our common interest, that he will not fail just as so many others did before (e.g., Tesla, Hendershot, Schauberger,...). Criticism is OK as long as it is constructive, but what Philip needs (this is my personal opinion) is community support (more in a moral/mental way), otherwise he would not share so many thoughts in this thread. He could have done it all himself and when it is completed say: "This is it. Here is the revolution!". But he did not.

Although I am not a billionaire (not even close  :-[ ) I know many people and companies here in Central Europe who would be pleased to base new thrilling products on Quenco technology? The possibilities would definitely be endless and would certainly reveal mankind from the #1 topic of the future -> free access to energy for everyone in sufficient quantity! Just imagine a Tesla Model S WITHOUT 8000 laptop cells full of Lithium and other rare resources  ;D

Keep on going, Philip. If I could be of any support here in good old Europe, let me know!
- Kurt

Offline e2matrix

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« Reply #136 on: June 27, 2012, 02:50:10 AM »
Welcome KHaeus and thanks for you good thoughts and offers here on the Quenco thread.  I agree with much of what you are saying.  I hope to someday see a car running on Quenco based power.   That would be one of the ultimate highlights that could be achieved with this technology IMO.  I can see myself jumping up and down squealing like a kid when I even see the first flashlight or cell phone running on this tech (and I'm old enough to remember the thrill of the first color TV's :)  ) as that will mean the breakthrough has happened with finally getting a new and better energy device out to the world and into the hands of the public.

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« Reply #137 on: June 27, 2012, 03:01:19 PM »
Hollander,  Does it not seem foolish to come on here saying your are new and yet in the same post to say it seems so simple?

No. I said I am new of this forum, not that I am new of the field. 

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While videos have become a popular way for backyard experimenters to show how they built something or to simply show they actually did build something it is a great way to open up hundreds of pages of debate and questions on how you faked a video if you are claiming overunity or some new power source.   But for a known physicist it would be an exercise if frustration and a waste of time.

This is my thought: if you already have a working technology (even if it is a prototype), you do not fear to waste time to demonstrate anything. Things speak for themselves. I'd like to buy some quenco chips, but if I were a physicist I would not believe their functioning (absent scientific proofs, so far) and if I were a simple buyer, similarly I would not be sure to spend my money on something that I have even never seen before. It is for these reasons that I suggested to post photos, videos or other.  By the way, I remember that even Hardcastle wrote once on quentron.com that he would have soon posted on his website some videos about hot water cooled down by his device....


Offline e2matrix

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« Reply #138 on: June 27, 2012, 06:25:20 PM »
Currently there is nothing yet even close for anyone that is available to buy and as I have followed and read all posts in this thread it sounds like Philip is working on a well documented release of info when everything is in place.  Something this big takes time and it sounds like he is extremely busy trying to get everything in order.  I believe he has been working on this for 12 years.  He just started this thread about 2½ months ago.  We are all anxious to see and have more on this but if you want things done right it takes time and I believe that is how Philip is going about this.  Have you read this whole thread?  I believe one of the reasons he came here with this announcement was for ideas in deciding how to best go about getting the quenco from a great discovery into a useful device out to the world.  Have patience and I believe we will all be on our way to a wonderful new world of energy and more.   
    I'll add that I'm not trying to speak for Philip but I'm trying to save him time in responding to posts here.  I think after reading everything here I'm very close to being correct in my statements and some assumptions above but if not I'm sure we will hear some corrections as time allows. 

Offline vrstud

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« Reply #139 on: June 28, 2012, 10:34:59 PM »
Interesting paper discussing the thermo electrics

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Hagelsteinthermaltoe.pdf

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« Reply #140 on: June 28, 2012, 10:49:28 PM »

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« Reply #141 on: June 28, 2012, 10:56:53 PM »
http://micropower-global.com/

A company in Texas that is doing the same thing. 

Offline e2matrix

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« Reply #142 on: June 29, 2012, 01:14:44 AM »
Looking at those other ones they don't look anything like the quenco other than the fact they use heat for genereating electricity from wasted heat in certain apps.   It does not IMO sound like it's based on the same concept. 

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« Reply #143 on: July 02, 2012, 02:13:58 PM »

Offline Philip Hardcastle

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« Reply #144 on: July 07, 2012, 06:38:30 AM »
Hi everyone,


Here is an update.


The scientists working on fabrication have made a lot of progress and over the next few weeks they should finish all sorts of technical calibrations that will allow mass production. Another highly qualified and skilled scientist is joining the team so things will speed up.


The mistake of June launch was mine by being naive as to all the things that needed to be tested such that a standard method of mass production and optimisation could be developed. I am now hopeful that it will be the first week of August but I will not give a launch date until they have done all their work to their satisfaction. I have 100% confidence and respect for the top level scientists working on this, and I am so grateful they are giving their time for free to be part of this.


Phil

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« Reply #145 on: July 07, 2012, 09:27:55 AM »
It seems like you're jumping into mass production much earlier than previously expected, is this the case or am I misunderstanding your latest status update? I'm also glad you attracted the right people to get this done as correctly and as fast as possible.

Offline e2matrix

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« Reply #146 on: July 07, 2012, 08:52:51 PM »
Philip,  I'm glad to hear your update and that's great news.  I was getting ready to contact you through your site as I was getting a bit worried since you hadn't posted in a while. 

broli,  I am just guessing here but I think he may be saying things will be ready in August for a public release (and maybe video?) and that all issues that need to be resolved to put it into mass production will be ironed out so to speak.  I don't think it will actually be in mass production by then.  And I will assume this is for the mass production of the core element rather than a finished power product.  All just my guesses but I would be very surprised if a ready to use power product could be done by August.   I'd love it if there was but I don't expect it to happen that fast. 

Offline lumen

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« Reply #147 on: July 07, 2012, 09:24:20 PM »
This is very good news! As more people get involved, the process to market will move faster.

Sounds like they are dialing in the fabrication process and maybe by August they will have it working well and possibly a few samples could become available for some applications people to work with.

Though the first product would likely be of very low voltage (100mv or so) some tricky design concepts could still yield a few unique products.



Offline catbauer24

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« Reply #148 on: July 09, 2012, 08:12:42 AM »
Philip - I hope everything goes well for pilot production!

Question on the tech - is the cooling effect only present with electrical current draw from the device?  It would make sense, as the current would essentially replace the heatflow of a heat engine.

In regards to the second law of thermodynamics - stating that heat must always flow from hot "high-pressure" to cold "low-pressure" ignores the fact that theoretically, energy can be transformed into another form with 100% efficiency.  In fact it ALWAYS is, though we say something is inefficient when we transform something into multiple forms of energy, all at 100% efficiency (conservation of energy) instead of just one form.  I'd say, assuming the device does work as advertised, it could be close to 100% 'efficient' converting heat energy to electric energy, though I would go to say physical limitations probably mean there is at least a very small loss into another form of energy - maybe some form of sound or radiation emitted not being converted to electricity.

Also I've thought about heatpumps (as many have I'm sure)... for a cop of 6, if that extra 5 units of heat out could be converted to electricity with 20% or greater efficiency, that creates a 'perpetual' motion machine of the second kind if I'm not mistaken.  In a closed system I suppose that would break the second law as it could reduce entropy if introduced to a system with 100% entropy, but factoring in 'electrodynamics' as well instead of purely thermodynamics.

Basically if all atoms have high kinetic energy (say 1000C) in a closed system, entropy is '100%' and no work can be done!?! To say no heat 'flow' by itself may be true, but does it say that energy can't be converted to another form?  In that sense the other form can be utilized to create a temperature differential and truly break the 2nd law of thermodynamics I suppose.  However even in 'heat death', there is plenty of energy, and at the universe scale at least, gravity can still do work and create temperature differentials by itself (possibly some type of compression / expansion gravity heat-pump so to say).  The law of thermodynamics is a 'wrong model' but useful, as George Box would agree.

I did a search on overunity and appears 'thermotunnel cooling' doesn't have any results:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermotunnel_cooling

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« Reply #149 on: July 09, 2012, 01:41:43 PM »
more like this:
www.prior-ip.com/patent/70834999/       and instead solar heat   home:  www.nlsemi.com
to know more about magnetic capacitor potentials
enter "Google" with   " Mcap,quantum " 
 and go to energymedicine.org.tw  page11  or enter "Energy storage"  www.arpa-e.energy.gov
   
Sincerely
                 CdL
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