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Author Topic: Video: Working Gravity Wheel?  (Read 27826 times)

Offline 4Tesla

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Re: Video: Working Gravity Wheel?
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2012, 09:04:06 PM »
I experimented once with such a setup.
The ball or roller just get to the max sticking point and stays there, fixed.
Once fixed, no more movement, neither in the ball nor in the wheel
video analisys is OK but experimentation is better.
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Thank you for verifying that it doesn't work.

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Re: Video: Working Gravity Wheel?
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2012, 09:40:25 PM »
Guys,
 
this is quite an easy experiment to validate.
Anyone with a normal garage workshop will create such a wheel in an hour, and neos do we all have.
 
I might just test it for fun. Nothing to lose but your ego, and that's not a loss worth grieving. ;D
 
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I did this experiment with a slightly different setup several years ago and it worked only for few seconds (sometimes 10 to 15 at most.)   Very frustrating.   The steel ball slips/sticks and gets out of sync with the wheel very easily.    I suspect the video clips are from several tries and is the best that can be done with his setup.   Maybe the audio mismatch is from clipping of the video using poor quality editing software?   Also notice the magnet is held by mister hand...  slight movement of the hand may be a factor to keep the rotation as long as shown.
No continous rotation but just a few moments of excitment. 
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Re: Video: Working Gravity Wheel?
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2012, 10:00:11 PM »
Guys,
 
this is quite an easy experiment to validate.
Anyone with a normal garage workshop will create such a wheel in an hour, and neos do we all have.
 
I might just test it for fun. Nothing to lose but your ego, and that's not a loss worth grieving. ;D
 
Gwandau
I agree, but I think it is wise to do some critical research first, and at least use some very basic math before any building attemt. Only if the math provides unconclusive results, building a machine could be the right thing to do. In this particular case, the outcome is given already before the math is done - it's that obvious.
I must, however, give the person in the video credits for a nice high tech looking device, and also for not saying a word about what it is (no OU claims). Just pity that such a gifted person uploads a misleading video.


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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Video: Working Gravity Wheel?
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2012, 02:48:21 PM »
.... it is wise to do some critical research first..... Just pity that such a gifted person uploads a misleading video.


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Critical research? Like looking at the web site that is the origin of the video?

Misleading? Where it is clearly explained that all the many devices that they show are models, illustrations of _impossible machines_ that do NOT work?

Why would anybody want to do that? It's much more fun to speculate without any knowledge or research or experimentation at all. Isn't it?

http://www.veproject1.org

If what you are seeing appears to violate the well-understood laws of Conservation of Momentum or the Second Law of Thermodynamics.... then you are _most probably_ misinterpreting what you are seeing, and that is the very first thing that you should rule out in your investigations. Are you interpreting what you are seeing correctly?

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Re: Video: Working Gravity Wheel?
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2012, 03:16:05 PM »
The video originally comes from this guy; veproject1

http://www.youtube.com/user/veproject1?feature=watch

He is an engineer and likes mechanical games  ;) That explains almost everything...
But.. if someone achieved oscillation of ball nearby magnet along the circle of wheel, it might supposedly work. But probably I am wrong.

Ooops... TinselKoala is ahead of me with info...

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Offline Lakes

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Re: Video: Working Gravity Wheel?
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2012, 04:33:34 PM »
I`d like to know where the motor is hidden in this one though. :)

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Re: Video: Working Gravity Wheel?
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2012, 01:25:06 PM »
Critical research? Like looking at the web site that is the origin of the video?

Misleading? Where it is clearly explained that all the many devices that they show are models, illustrations of _impossible machines_ that do NOT work?

Why would anybody want to do that? It's much more fun to speculate without any knowledge or research or experimentation at all. Isn't it?

http://www.veproject1.org

If what you are seeing appears to violate the well-understood laws of Conservation of Momentum or the Second Law of Thermodynamics.... then you are _most probably_ misinterpreting what you are seeing, and that is the very first thing that you should rule out in your investigations. Are you interpreting what you are seeing correctly?
The wheel does not violate anything, and does not work without external energy supply. I know that alteady. I posted an audio analysis image, and an audio track earlier in this thread - busted this vido big time. The question is why the inventor, or someone, faked the audio in the video by repeating audio loops instead of using the original audio from the actual video recording. The answer is uite simple: Hiding suspicious sounds from any possible external energy supply to make people like us talking a speculating about it ;) .  If he had done the audio editing properly, there would not be that short "HSSS!!" sound - typical sound from a high air pressure nozzle.


As I have mentioned earlier, the person does not write anything about it. No claims, just a video that illustrate a perpetual motion machine - if interpreted correctly...


Anyways, the wheel does not run by its own power. That's the important thing to know. The intentions behind the video isn't that interesting.


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Re: Video: Working Gravity Wheel?
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2012, 01:37:14 PM »
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Offline ltseung888

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Re: Video: Working Gravity Wheel?
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2012, 05:58:37 PM »
Note that the ball oscillates and rotates.
 
The rotation of the ball turns the wheel which doe not need much energy at all.
 
The oscillation will lead-out gravitational and magnetic energy.  It is similar to the pulsed pendulum.  Enegy comes from the surrounding environment and does not violate the Conservation of Energy.
 
The trick is to tune the system so that the oscillation lasts as long as possible.  The tuning requires the matching of the friction of the ball and rail, type of material of the ball, strength of the magnet, correct positioning of the magnet and others.
 
It will be fun for some to replicate it.   If I have time, I shall try to modify the two attached files to give this toy some theoretical backing.
 
 

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Re: Video: Working Gravity Wheel?
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2012, 02:56:59 PM »
And this is what my intuition says too. What if we use a plastic roller with eclipse shaped piece of steel inside? Just to help oscillations to continue? We can also gear roller and wheel together...

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Re: Video: Working Gravity Wheel?
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2012, 03:25:29 PM »
And this is what my intuition says too. What if we use a plastic roller with eclipse shaped piece of steel inside? Just to help oscillations to continue? We can also gear roller and wheel together...
No. Nature doesn't care about the shape. If oscillation occour, the movement will be around an "average point" where the ball would be if there wasn't any oscillation.
This device cannot work because there is no energy that keeps it running.


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Re: Video: Working Gravity Wheel?
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2012, 09:06:22 PM »
The ball or roller just get to the max sticking point and stays there, fixed.

I did this experiment with a slightly different setup several years ago and it worked only for few seconds (sometimes 10 to 15 at most.)   Very frustrating.   The steel ball slips/sticks and gets out of sync with the wheel very easily.

Would it work, if one uses some kind of "cage" to prevent the ball getting to the sticky point? See image below: the wheels must not be connected, but both must be fixed strongly to the same axis. Then a cage can be put in between the wheels to give the ball a certain bandwidth to roll up and down?

Edited Image: perhaps the "cage" needs also some "rollers" on the inside to keep the rotation of the ball continuous and not causing an abrupt stop, when the ball touches it. This would still cause a small friction though.

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Re: Video: Working Gravity Wheel?
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2012, 11:41:00 PM »
maybe someone can try it
ball should be steal
magnet looks not like a neodym, maybe its pure iron magnet, old style
the wheel is probably milled out of aluminium, double sided
(aluminium has strange effects while a magnet is moved over it, although it isnot much magnetic)
the angel is approx. 45°, half of the weight is lifted by magnet,
other half lies on the wheel, so can speed it up
oscilation is important, because ball needs to push the wheel and roll at the same time and same position
a soft, kind of auto-adjusting magnetic field should be best, its the edge of the rectangled bar-magnet
someone should try it...

 

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