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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Testing the TK Tar Baby
« Reply #4965 on: October 29, 2012, 03:06:24 AM »
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Re: Testing the TK Tar Baby
« Reply #4966 on: October 29, 2012, 03:58:25 AM »
Hi all,



Question: Why are you guys NOT attacking every other OU endeavor  presented on the many forums here on overunity.com?


Oh ... and YES, those delusional energy waves given off by my circuit are quite addicting. That's why I enjoy working on it so much.


Regards


Nobody is making claims. Some do but are found to be fakes. Remember Mylow? The fishing line driven Howard Jonson motor?

Just if you ever feel you have something, dont jump out till your sure. If your interested in showing, then just say you think you might have something interesting. Then as you go along, check and recheck if you are right. We all make mistakes. 'ALL'.  "we"  'We all'    ;]

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Re: Testing the TK Tar Baby
« Reply #4967 on: October 29, 2012, 04:02:15 AM »
Hi all,


Thanks for the attention.  Admittedly, my variation on Rosie's circuit does not, or perhaps can not operate at COP>17 (or whatever).  As I have admitted, I got very caught up in the excitement of it all and made some analytical errors, but you can't let it go at that.  Fine, that's your problem.  Rosie won't share her current evidence or test results with me supporting COP>1. So I'm not on her 'inner circle' or on her 'team' like you all might think.  I have only what I'm presently testing and I'm encouraged by what I personally see, not by what I'm told.  And that means I'm beholding to NO ONE.  It is so easy to clump together like you guys do and argue why something 'won't or can't work'.  That is a far easier cowardly task than exploring why something 'will or can work'.

That's news, that Ainslie isn't sharing with you. It sounded like she intended to.

But really, the reality is probably that she isn't doing any testing at all anyway. That's why she hasn't done the least little bit of what she's been promising for so long. You came in relatively recently so you probably aren't aware that Ainslie has been promising a retest and demonstrations refuting my points for over a YEAR now and hasn't produced a single thing in all that time, not even a photograph. Excuse after excuse has been given... but no testing. Probably because she can't find anyone to help her any more, because anyone with the competencies she needs is also going to be able to see easily that she is full of... herself.

Now..... as to the other, cowardly thing. I suppose you still haven't realised that .99, myself, and most especially FuzzyTomCat have actually spent many dollars and lots of time working on actual hardware and sims and testing Ainslie's various claims. In fact you are repeating almost step by step work that I did in 2009 on Ainslie's circuit, except that I stuck to comprehensive testing of her _actual_ circuit and her _actual_ claims, and when I branched out I started demonstrating what properly switched mosfets could do by making a solid state Tesla coil that, according to the same measurement methodology that Ainslie uses, has a COP of around 3,000. But that's neither here nor there. What is important is that you are calling us "cowards" when in fact..... you are walking the same path that we explored three years ago and more, and you will eventually reach the same dead-end that we reached, and Ainslie will turn against you just like she has against everyone else who has actually worked on her circuits.
 
But fine.... you need to do what you need to do and that's fine. After all, you are just making slight claims of a tiny bit of OU and you aren't even using an Ainslie circuit or her parameters, and you most especially aren't trying to publish scientific papers full of delusions, lies and made-up data, nor are you applying for monetary prizes based on your conclusions.
Why aren't "we" attacking other claims of OU? Well, again, if you did your homework you'd find that some of us ARE doing so, in areas where we feel competent, and when more egregious or simply ignorant claims are being made. Personally, I've done a lot of work on Steorn's claims, I "busted" Mylow (at the same time others also did, by different methods) and got him to admit on my YT channel that he was using fishing line, I was very critical of Archer Quinn and I am currently very critical of MrWayne's ZED system. And some others. What I object to is outlandish claims without support (Ainslie and many others) , things that are evidently scams trying to profit in some way from false claims (Steorn, MrWayne, Ainslie, etc) , and pure ignorance combined with overweening arrogance (Archer Quinn, Ainslie, etc.) You don't quite fit into any of those categories; let me just say again that you are following the same path others have taken years ago. If Ainslie asks you to collaborate on a paper.... beware.

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My enthusiasm for this has not diminished in the least. 


Question: Why are you guys NOT attacking every other OU endeavor  presented on the many forums here on overunity.com?


Oh ... and YES, those delusional energy waves given off by my circuit are quite addicting. That's why I enjoy working on it so much.


Regards

It will, it will, when you start having to fend off Ainslie's attacks which will surely come.

Sure, it's fun to work on these things. I built a Bedini motor a couple of days ago and it's fascinating to swap batteries, charging one while running down the other one. Even though I can clearly see the average voltage of the two batteries decreasing, it's still fun to amaze people by showing the thing charging a battery that it was running on a few minutes prior. It's also pretty cool to be able to light a NE-2 neon with a AAA battery with one of my advanced Joule Rattlers. These toys are fun to play with and any spinny, flashy thing is fascinating to terrestrial primates. There is no need for delusion, though. Just have fun, and remember that anomalous results are almost always due to errors of some sort; real discovery is much rarer than some people seem to believe.

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Re: Testing the TK Tar Baby
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Re: Testing the TK Tar Baby
« Reply #4968 on: October 29, 2012, 04:03:01 AM »
lol. Its funny. Mylow is the poster child of free energy fakery.   That boy got himself a page in history.

Probably even bigger than Prendev.   Also maybe more memorable.

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Re: Testing the TK Tar Baby
« Reply #4969 on: October 29, 2012, 05:08:05 AM »
lol. Its funny. Mylow is the poster child of free energy fakery.   That boy got himself a page in history.

Probably even bigger than Prendev.   Also maybe more memorable.

Mags

Mylow probably had good intentions in the beginnings of his trying to build a magnet motor. He probably had high hopes and told all his family and friends that he was building a motor that ran on its own and we could get free energy from it. I was that guy some time ago.

Maybe he borrowed money to build it. Investors in the family. Maybe not. But for some reason he decided to post videos of his motor running, of which it became clear later that he was using Mr Hand literally.

He would show the motor in full view, then it would start only when the camera was not in full view. People did tests on the videos that made acceleration charts, the works. There are very very talented people out there. Then when the complaints of Mr Hand got out of hand, Mylow continued by unbalancing the wheel while having only some magnets on a portion of the wheel to try and show getting by the sticky spot. Again, it was clear that there was a balance issue, and his 'scripted' vids were not without tells. Lol, some of it was soo clever but sloppy. 

Then once he realized that he needed to give constant full view vids of the motor going, that was when he started using a motor with fishing line, which is nearly invisible to the untrained eye.

Eventually he fully admitted it due to awesome analysis done by Tk and many others showing where the fishing line was in the vids, how Mylow stepped over the lines in one vid, all using video processing to show greater details. He even had the motor under a pillow on the couch in view of the camera. 

Mylow had many peoples attention throughout. Even after being busted and admitting, he would erratically come back with a new YT ID and try to get his audience back. He was doomed.

Rose is a tougher cookie. She will never give in. The sky is green and she is stickin to her stories.  Well, there are like 4 different stories or so on some details.  ;) A flip flopper ;)


Mags

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Re: Testing the TK Tar Baby
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Testing the TK Tar Baby
« Reply #4970 on: October 29, 2012, 05:13:13 AM »
Oh yeah he had the MIB story of them taking his motor for some days the "giving it back to him' saying, "heres your toy"  lol, that guy.  ;D

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Re: Testing the TK Tar Baby
« Reply #4971 on: October 29, 2012, 11:41:05 AM »

Question: Why are you guys NOT attacking every other OU endeavor  presented on the many forums here on overunity.com?

Oh ... and YES, those delusional energy waves given off by my circuit are quite addicting. That's why I enjoy working on it so much.

Regards

The free energy community has enough problems trying to maintain its credibility,
and the false claims.....misleading information and scamers must be exposed,
luckily most of the other threads on this forum are doing good research
without making claims they can't prove.
« Last Edit: October 29, 2012, 02:53:24 PM by powercat »

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Re: Testing the TK Tar Baby
« Reply #4972 on: October 29, 2012, 02:15:47 PM »
"That's news, that Ainslie isn't [color=rgb(0, 0, 255) !important]sharing[/color] with you. It sounded like she intended to."


Your assumptions speak only to your arrogance and stupidity.  Rosie has told me a number of times privately that she does NOT care if I choose NOT to associate her name with my investigation.  In fact she said it's probably better if I DON'T because of self righteous people like you.

I am NOT out to prove that HER circuit works, because I haven't built HER circuit.  I am out to investigate the possibilities that an Inductive Heater and related Circuit(s) can possibly display COP>1 behavior.  That's all I'm doing you arrogant, presumptive, venomous TWIT!


If you're accusing me of "fakery", then others will eventually see you and your accomplices for who you are.  I feel so sorry for you that you harbor so much hatred for one person that you attack ANYONE that so much as utters that person's name.  You have such a small, pitiable, narrow mind.


I hope I see you at the symposium.

Regards

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Re: Testing the TK Tar Baby
« Reply #4973 on: October 29, 2012, 02:45:18 PM »
@gmeast


What's your purpose in that reply?


As far as I can see, nobody has accused you of fakery. Can you provide a quote for exactly where you believe that's happened? Quite the reverse, there's a conciliatory tone in most of the recent posts, at least from this side of the fence. But you seem hellbent on provoking an aggressive response for no good reason.


You see every attempt to point out areas where your testing protocol can be improved as a personal attack, and it would be baffling to watch, had it not been for the fact that we've seen this sort of thing from Rosemary herself so many times. Almost without exception, attempts to correct her misapprehensions and mistakes, no matter how patiently and politely they are pointed out at first, are characterised as "attacks".

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Re: Testing the TK Tar Baby
« Reply #4974 on: October 29, 2012, 05:19:27 PM »
Hey, GMEAST, you insulting whining asshole idiot lying fool...... TELL THE TRUTH. You aren't building or researching AINSLIE's circuit because FROM THE VERY FIRST you rejected the present NERD circuit as nonsensical and of no possibility for working as she claimed, AND when you started to research AINSLIE's earlier COP>17 circuit claims, FROM THE VERY FIRST you found that the 555 timer didn't work and that other elements of the circuit were problematic... thus you began using gate driver chips.

In other words, GMEAST, you started this affair by rejecting one Ainslie circuit, attempting to replicate another and failing, and now you are whining because you aren't getting fantastic results Ainslie reported and you expected. IN OTHER WORDS, you have been suckered by Ainslie and you choose to express your resentment here instead of to her, where it should be directed, since she lied to you about what her circuits did and could do.

And also recall, you overweeningly arrogant Ainslie sycophant and insulting idiot, that nobody insulted YOU PERSONALLY until YOU STARTED INSULTING ME PERSONALLY.

Now, fuck off, GMEAST, and play with your silly toys until you tire of it. It's your time to waste. Can you do it without BEING SO FUCKING INSULTING, and with a little respect for people who have ALREADY DONE what you are doing now?

Somehow I doubt it.

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« Reply #4975 on: October 29, 2012, 09:46:58 PM »
Here's just a bit of what you can do with properly switched mosfets.

The circuit that produces this nice electric fire, from just two of Tar Baby's batteries, 24 volts input, is almost identical to the CORRECT form of the NERD circuit, configured as a proper feedback oscillator and driving a matched, resonant load. Yes, when scoped it can produce plenty of "negative" power measurements, and it certainly will charge up external batteries until they explode, if you like. What you see is a plasma made of ionised air gases with some coloration from metal ions boiled off of the electrode surfaces. The flame is made by a pulsating DC output; it is not AC. Note the nearly continuous purple line of anode spots on the right electrode, and the much hotter, more widely spaced cathode spots on the left electrode. Every NE-2 bulb that you see glowing brightly only has a single wire connected; the other is just poking up into space. The arc spans 4 inches in a straight line but over six inches if you include the upward looping.

This version uses two IRFP260 mosfets and no gate driver chips. The transistors run cool, because even though the circuit is locked in a self-resonant feedback oscillation, the switching losses are kept low by causing the transistors to switch at the zero-crossings of the oscillation, not at some random voltage. In addition, instead of the two Ohms Rdss of the IRFPG50, these transistors have a much lower on-state resistance of 0.04 Ohm and thus waste much less of the power sent through them.



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Re: Testing the TK Tar Baby
« Reply #4976 on: October 29, 2012, 11:36:09 PM »
"That's news, that Ainslie isn't [color=rgb(0, 0, 255) !important]sharing[/color] with you. It sounded like she intended to."


Your assumptions speak only to your arrogance and stupidity.  Rosie has told me a number of times privately that she does NOT care if I choose NOT to associate her name with my investigation.  In fact she said it's probably better if I DON'T because of self righteous people like you.

I am NOT out to prove that HER circuit works, because I haven't built HER circuit.  I am out to investigate the possibilities that an Inductive Heater and related Circuit(s) can possibly display COP>1 behavior.  That's all I'm doing you arrogant, presumptive, venomous TWIT!


If you're accusing me of "fakery", then others will eventually see you and your accomplices for who you are.  I feel so sorry for you that you harbor so much hatred for one person that you attack ANYONE that so much as utters that person's name.  You have such a small, pitiable, narrow mind.


I hope I see you at the symposium.

Regards

"Rosie has told me a number of times privately that she does NOT care if I choose NOT to associate her name with my investigation.  In fact she said it's probably better if I DON'T because of self righteous people like you."

Of coarse she doesnt want your experiments associated with her. Hers doesnt work, and you producing experiments in the same neighborhood doesnt do her agenda any good, especially if yours dont work.

Bah corndogs. lol, she is pushing you away already.  ;)

"I am NOT out to prove that HER circuit works, because I haven't built HER circuit.  I am out to investigate the possibilities that an Inductive Heater and related Circuit(s) can possibly display COP>1 behavior.  That's all I'm doing you arrogant, presumptive, venomous TWIT!"

Hmm. Well if you are investigating "Inductive Heater and related Circuit(s) can possibly display COP>1 behavior." , then why not try her circuit? It claims cop 17.  ;)   

Or, you have an idea that her claim is not what she says it is and are trying some different things in the same area.

"If you're accusing me of "fakery", then others will eventually see you and your accomplices for who you are.  I feel so sorry for you that you harbor so much hatred for one person that you attack ANYONE that so much as utters that person's name.  You have such a small, pitiable, narrow mind.

"

Sorry if you think that. I was just showing that others that made claims have faked it. Some were just have no clue claims, maybe thinking that just because they have higher voltage out than in that they are getting OU.  Never said you were a faker. But Rose is. Whether its that she didnt know it(have no clue category), but she surely does now. Thats why all the flip floppin, lies, delays, or "no, thats not the circuit" even though we got it from her blogs and other sites where she put them.

Soo, never said you were faking anything.  ;) ;D   Mylow is just a 'pure' example.

Mags

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Re: Testing the TK Tar Baby
« Reply #4977 on: October 30, 2012, 12:51:59 AM »
@tk


Leaving aside @gmeast's, er, excitable nature for a minute, you mentioned a few replies back that his calorimetry wasn't bad for a first pass.


Are there any low-hanging-fruit changes you would make to improve the process he describes?

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« Reply #4978 on: October 30, 2012, 01:19:04 AM »
I can certainly see one pattern repeating itself.

Rosemary heaps irrational amounts of praise on the newcomer:

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Your work is exceptional.  Very comforting to see this in your capable hands.
Don't EVER underestimate your achievement here.
VERY well done for all you work
But I don't think that there are any of us who would doubt your competence at measurement.
Anyway Greg - onwards and upwards.  You're doing a sterling job.
I'm absolutely happy with how you're going about this.  Always have been.
And seeing your competence I also know that I always will be.

Then of course there is the reality.  Gmeast is clearly a beginner that only has a basic grasp of electronics.  He sometimes struggles and sometimes he recovers and sometimes he is dead wrong.  He falls into that classic group that get a multimeter and a scope and then suddenly believe that they are capable of analyzing almost any circuit.

Then we see Gmeast convinced that certain frequencies or some setup is "really special" and he is onto something when in fact he is just your average newbie most likely seeing things that he has never seen before.

And of course we can't forget that Rosemary isn't even remotely qualified enough to make a call about Gmeast's abilities.  She is the chef in name only that doesn't even know how to make toast.

So, knowing the pattern, there is that chance that Rosemary will turn on Gmeast and dismiss him as an idiot if he ends up producing results that are not to Rosie's liking.

And the sad sad reality is that all of the pulses and "delicious" oscillations and whatever else the boffins come up with (or regurgitate) is simply the circuit doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing.  No over unity, nada.  Just some pulses reflecting back and forth and inductors reacting to load changes and so on and so on.  Something that any engineer would look at and not give it a second thought.

And Rosie has convinced herself that Poynt and company are unable to explain the "magic oscillations" even though he has tried to explain it to Rosie over and over and his simulations faithfully oscillated.  Rosemary is also talking to herself when she discusses stuff with "AlienSigns."

It's all so strange, a real doozie for sure.  Poor Rosemary and her alter ego AlienSigns are stuck in one of the remotest back alleyways on the Internet like the proverbial Who's of Whoville.

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Re: Testing the TK Tar Baby
« Reply #4979 on: October 30, 2012, 02:09:26 AM »
Again, thanks for the attention.  Nice light show TK. 


I had typed out a nice, long response for all of you, but it's not worth it. Well I need to get back to my fakery.



 

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