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Author Topic: Why PM magnet motors and PM Gravity machines cannot possibly ever work  (Read 58382 times)

Offline fritznien

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Re: Why PM magnet motors and PM Gravity machines cannot possibly ever work
« Reply #60 on: April 16, 2012, 06:22:20 AM »
Excuse my ignorance but I have some silly questions
Let's say a helicopter lifted from the ground and the engine performed work to to 10m high in the air.
Siting at 10m the engine still needs to perform work to balance the force of gravity and keep the helicopter in position
We slightly switched from a system with energy transfer to a system with equilibrium of forces.
Does earth consume the energy the helicopter engine produce?
How do we explain work/energy consumer to maintain a force in a fixed position? Something in the system produces energy and something else consume it
The helicopter is not moving so how can we have mechanical work (Force X distance) created?
the prop pushes air down to produce lift. the wind thus created is where the energy goes.
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Re: Why PM magnet motors and PM Gravity machines cannot possibly ever work
« Reply #61 on: April 16, 2012, 09:10:30 AM »
A lead airplane will not fly : bad experiment . Human aspirations never amounted to anything : lie . We honor inventors of the technologies that we use in our daily lives : nope . Nature has not provided us with everything we need : misinformation . Companies make the resources that we consume every day : wrong again . All men are endowed by their Creator certain unalienable rights : True but more so for those who have a lawyer . My point being that a lot of things we see as "truths" are just what others have convinced us of over time . Like Bessler said : "the world of mechanics is unfathomable ; why shouldn't the perpetual mobile have a place in it somewhere ?"

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Re: Why PM magnet motors and PM Gravity machines cannot possibly ever work
« Reply #62 on: April 17, 2012, 09:44:09 AM »
I think I can get this thing built before the 300th anniversary . I just wanna know one thing QT ... what rock are you gonna hide under ? LOL . You should form your own opinions instead of just taking people's words for fact ... you'd be in a better position , but campaigning against a subject you obviously know nothing about does you little service . And since you insist that people who search for P.M. must have a low IQ , a seriously unfounded insult , I'll pray for you and YOUR IQ .  ;) Do you still not understand ? ROFLMAO

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Re: Why PM magnet motors and PM Gravity machines cannot possibly ever work
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Re: Why PM magnet motors and PM Gravity machines cannot possibly ever work
« Reply #63 on: April 17, 2012, 01:19:17 PM »
I think I can get this thing built before the 300th anniversary . I just wanna know one thing QT ... what rock are you gonna hide under ? LOL . You should form your own opinions instead of just taking people's words for fact ... you'd be in a better position , but campaigning against a subject you obviously know nothing about does you little service . And since you insist that people who search for P.M. must have a low IQ , a seriously unfounded insult , I'll pray for you and YOUR IQ .  ;) Do you still not understand ? ROFLMAO

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Re: Why PM magnet motors and PM Gravity machines cannot possibly ever work
« Reply #64 on: April 17, 2012, 05:12:29 PM »
I dunno ...you tell me smart guy . You are content to pretend that you have it all figured out , and I recognize it because I have a valid design based on a valid principle ...it's as simple as that . If you call that flaming then I guess so .  Just as Bessler's detractors were silenced so too shall mine be also . You will find that it is futile to attack me (unless you are an admin, LOL).

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Re: Why PM magnet motors and PM Gravity machines cannot possibly ever work
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Re: Why PM magnet motors and PM Gravity machines cannot possibly ever work
« Reply #65 on: April 17, 2012, 06:26:27 PM »
I dunno ...you tell me smart guy . You are content to pretend that you have it all figured out , and I recognize it because I have a valid design based on a valid principle ...it's as simple as that . If you call that flaming then I guess so .  Just as Bessler's detractors were silenced so too shall mine be also . You will find that it is futile to attack me (unless you are an admin, LOL).

  There's a difference between myself and a spammer like you, I am spending MY money to build.
In all you have posted, I have NEVER seen anything. Show nothing, expect nothing.
 Yet for some reason you have it in for Quantumangles, and while doing so also attacking builders, you come off as a whiney little brat.

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Re: Why PM magnet motors and PM Gravity machines cannot possibly ever work
« Reply #66 on: April 17, 2012, 07:49:18 PM »
You have shown things and there is still nothing . Just so you know I have used the words of people like you to serve as incentive to figure this out . So don't think that you are harming me in any way ...there may have been a detail or two I missed in the concept , your insults will be put  to good use .
P.S. And since you asked why am I attacking QT , here is your answer : This thread , in it's highest purpose seeks to educate people in the alleged folly of pursuing P.M. . But what if the very basis of this thread is born of a lie ? What if the smartest men ( and they do attempt to dabble with P.M. concepts : let no one deny ) in their greatest efforts have passed this knowledge on to us not because they proved or disproved anything but rather , because they failed and therefore assume that all who attempt it should fail also ? What if there was one man who applied the core of his very being to the problem and finally had success , thereby gaining palpable knowledge that was in direct conflict with what amounts to FALSE belief ? That is why I have a problem with QT , it's not personal but merely a difference of opinion based on MY KNOWLEDGE and what I know to be ignorance (which for those who don't  know means " a lack of knowledge " and not intended as an insult) . So do not defend what does not need to be defended .

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Re: Why PM magnet motors and PM Gravity machines cannot possibly ever work
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Re: Why PM magnet motors and PM Gravity machines cannot possibly ever work
« Reply #67 on: April 17, 2012, 09:27:51 PM »
You have shown things and there is still nothing . Just so you know I have used the words of people like you to serve as incentive to figure this out . So don't think that you are harming me in any way ...there may have been a detail or two I missed in the concept , your insults will be put  to good use .
P.S. And since you asked why am I attacking QT , here is your answer : This thread , in it's highest purpose seeks to educate people in the alleged folly of pursuing P.M. . But what if the very basis of this thread is born of a lie ? What if the smartest men ( and they do attempt to dabble with P.M. concepts : let no one deny ) in their greatest efforts have passed this knowledge on to us not because they proved or disproved anything but rather , because they failed and therefore assume that all who attempt it should fail also ? What if there was one man who applied the core of his very being to the problem and finally had success , thereby gaining palpable knowledge that was in direct conflict with what amounts to FALSE belief ? That is why I have a problem with QT , it's not personal but merely a difference of opinion based on MY KNOWLEDGE and what I know to be ignorance (which for those who don't  know means " a lack of knowledge " and not intended as an insult) . So do not defend what does not need to be defended .

   Well,
 I guess if what I'm working on proves to be correct, it will show everything you said to be wrong.
Then again, I thought other people might find it interesting to know most likely how Bessler's wheel worked.
 But as you so eloquently stated, all you have are words.

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Re: Why PM magnet motors and PM Gravity machines cannot possibly ever work
« Reply #68 on: April 17, 2012, 10:25:55 PM »
If you are gonna put words in my mouth could you at least think a little harder first so that I sound intelligent ?

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Re: Why PM magnet motors and PM Gravity machines cannot possibly ever work
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Re: Why PM magnet motors and PM Gravity machines cannot possibly ever work
« Reply #69 on: April 17, 2012, 11:18:55 PM »
accidently deleted while editing slo smart phone   chris, what people like you fail to appreciate is the amount of hard work pursuing and building something takes i possibly couldve had a family by now but always someone like you around, my motivation, you,re a loser like alan
you guys could care less about bessler and what it takes to build his wheels,
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Re: Why PM magnet motors and PM Gravity machines cannot possibly ever work
« Reply #70 on: April 18, 2012, 03:36:15 PM »

Gravity can only ever convert existing potential energy into kinetic energy. All one can ever hope to do is convert energy from one form into another. But gravity cannot ever ADD energy. Good day.
Gravity IS a force. Without gravity there is no 'existing' potential energy directed to the centre of earth and no conversion 'potential <-> kinetic' can be made along with this vector. Although gravity is relatively a weak force it is also a long range force not much differing from the force of wind... Using leverage system one can harness it.

http://mirek-kucharski.w.interia.pl/Image/Perpetum%20mobile/1_2/maszyna%20na%204.swf     :)

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Re: Why PM magnet motors and PM Gravity machines cannot possibly ever work
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Re: Why PM magnet motors and PM Gravity machines cannot possibly ever work
« Reply #71 on: April 18, 2012, 04:32:41 PM »
Gravity IS a force. Without gravity there is no 'existing' potential energy directed to the centre of earth and no conversion 'potential <-> kinetic' can be made along with this vector. Although gravity is relatively a weak force it is also a long range force not much differing from the force of wind... Using leverage system one can harness it.

http://mirek-kucharski.w.interia.pl/Image/Perpetum%20mobile/1_2/maszyna%20na%204.swf     :)

 here's a link to a video. someone should be able to replicate it to find out if it is a hoax or not. but have not seen people in forums or on youtube replicate anything. not sure why.
any directional force has potential to be converted.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHN-Nr61IDI
 
 

 

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