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### Author Topic: Centripetal Force Yealds Over Unity  (Read 92849 times)

#### AlanA

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##### Re: Centripetal Force Yealds Over Unity
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2012, 02:34:01 PM »
@ MoRo
Ok, it is clear that the bicycle is a setup to show the principle. But for me it is not clear there is an energy surplus. So I asked for the measurements.
What is makes so remarkable too is that the rotation of the bike does not stop where it delivers movement of the toolbox.

#### MoRo

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##### Re: Centripetal Force Yealds Over Unity
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2012, 07:33:12 PM »
@ MoRo
Ok, it is clear that the bicycle is a setup to show the principle. But for me it is not clear there is an energy surplus. So I asked for the measurements.
What is makes so remarkable too is that the rotation of the bike does not stop where it delivers movement of the toolbox.
I Agree.
But it won't be easy. And it will probably carry through a number of post. But here goes...

Step 1 - The Fly Wheel:
Conservation of Energy says if I put energy into an isolated system it will stay there forever, AND I can only expect to get that same amount of energy back out before it returns to a 0 energy state.
So, if I put 10 jules of energy into a given mass for acceleration then I can expect that mass to obtain a certain speed and maintain that speed until I introduce friction or other outside influence. Once friction is introduced, then after I have lost the 10 Jules, the mass will have no motion.

The bicycle wheel and the sockets on it are not an isolated system.  So, they lose energy or decelerate constantly, even during the acceleration period. This is the case even when the center is restricted from the bidirectional movement in which we intend to extract energy from the centripetal forces that are created under the centrifugal activity of the mass.

The losses are due to:
1. Air resistance
2. Resistance at the bearings

However we can STILL determine the rate of these regular losses if we restrict center movement and we know:
1. The (total mass) in orbit
2. The (radius) of the orbit
3.  The (speed) or (rate of orbit) at any given point in time.
From that point in time we can determine how many  Jules of potential energy the mass has, because we will know the mass and the speed.

An isolated system would hold this energy state forever, but if we then calculate:
4. The (total time) from (maximum energy state) to (zero energy state) the we will know the (rate of loss).

Once we know the (rate of loss), then we automatically will know how much energy I must put into this restricted system to maintain it.

Also, from all of the above, we should be able to roughly calculate the (centripetal force) required to maintain a perfect orbit over the centrifugal mass.

And remember force, even centripetal force, IS a measure that takes Jules into consideration.

After all this, we can take some other measurements.

I will try to take mass measurements in the best way that I can but I should be able to use video frame rates for timing references.

Do you agree to all of this so far?

#### AlanA

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##### Re: Centripetal Force Yealds Over Unity
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2012, 09:22:12 PM »
@ MoRo

Thanks for you detailed explanation.
You have also written that you want to make some measurements. That would be great because I am convinced from your bicycle setup )

#### SkyWatcher123

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##### Re: Centripetal Force Yealds Over Unity
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2012, 06:48:52 AM »
Hi folks, Hi moro, thanks for sharing your work.
My brother in law has a fling sock throw toy that he brings over sometimes and it is very easy to use this pendulum action to fling the toy very high and very far with very little effort, so I know exactly what your speaking of here and when i was a kid, i tied a string to a match box car and it went so high and far, i could not believe it.
Though my brother in law can't figure out why he can't find his toy any where anymore for sale, i tried to explain that control freaks don't want people thinking about that toy and getting ideas, though that cannot kill an idea, it is impossible, thank god.
Matthew Jones made something similar to this moro, think he called it the bouncer, it also has a full pendulum rotation.
I can imagine a small model of this with those shake led lights type method to take power off of and if the voltage is not so great, we can use one or many joule thiefs to light leds to show greater power out than in.
Would be a cheap way to prove it and provide some bathroom light, for now, hehe.
peace love light
tyson

#### MoRo

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##### Re: Centripetal Force Yealds Over Unity
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2012, 04:34:19 PM »
Hi folks, Hi moro, thanks for sharing your work.
My brother in law has a fling sock throw toy that he brings over sometimes and it is very easy to use this pendulum action to fling the toy very high and very far with very little effort, so I know exactly what your speaking of here and when i was a kid, i tied a string to a match box car and it went so high and far, i could not believe it.
Though my brother in law can't figure out why he can't find his toy any where anymore for sale, i tried to explain that control freaks don't want people thinking about that toy and getting ideas, though that cannot kill an idea, it is impossible, thank god.
Matthew Jones made something similar to this moro, think he called it the bouncer, it also has a full pendulum rotation.
I can imagine a small model of this with those shake led lights type method to take power off of and if the voltage is not so great, we can use one or many joule thiefs to light leds to show greater power out than in.
Would be a cheap way to prove it and provide some bathroom light, for now, hehe.
peace love light
tyson
Hello Tyson:
Tanks for the appreciation.  I had some time ago made videos of a simulation based on Matthew Jones' Bouncer. Thanks to you, I am reposting them for all to see (see below).  The one thing I could see wrong with the bouncer was that the frame was too heavy... The lighter the mass of the frame, the more centripetal push you free up for energy conversion.  But yes... The Bouncer is a very nice peace of work!

Here are my videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67Bl9Ld4310

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaQ7H0UKF94

Enjoy
MagnaMoRo

#### SkyWatcher123

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##### Re: Centripetal Force Yealds Over Unity
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2012, 02:43:11 AM »
Hi moro, thanks for sharing again the videos, I don't see any issues with what your showing, as matthew jones said, looks like 3 or 4 times more work out than in.
I was going to post his video link, but he made them private, so much for sharing freely, i have them saved though, hehe.
I'm trying to think up another way than those gears you show for power take off.
I am surprised nobody is building this device or something along the lines of it, unless they have and are not sharing.
Thanks for sharing anything you have to offer moro, it is the way to true freedom.
peace love light
tyson

#### SkyWatcher123

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##### Re: Centripetal Force Yealds Over Unity
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2012, 08:10:09 PM »
Hi folks, Hi moro, just wanted to add a few more thoughts.
I am trying to figure out what to use to build a small test model of something like the bouncer.
Though I would also like to highlight, that we almost didn't even need to test the bouncer or your bike type setup to show greater work out than in, though it was tested to be sure.
Reason i say this, is because when the full rotation pendulum is rotated, there is never any substantial mechanical feedback directed back to the primary drive motor or said another way, there is no reflection back to the source when extracting work from the downward movements created by the triangular structure as a whole.
Someone else had a similar idea, though using a central rotating wheel and at the periphery of this, are fan blades attached to generators and the central wheel is driven by a motor which rotates these periphery wind generators.
When these wind generators power a load and the fan blades slow down, very little mechanical force is reflected back to the main drive motor rotating the whole structure, which should achieve a similar effect of greater work out than in, just as the bouncer and your bicycle tests.
Food for thought, if anyone plans on giving it any, hehe.
peace love light
tyson

#### MoRo

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##### Re: Centripetal Force Yealds Over Unity
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2012, 04:52:42 AM »
OK you happy people... Here are some measurements of the bicycle setup:

http://youtu.be/oRrtJg6dkSo

Enjoy... and keep the suggestions coming.

I'd personally love to see someone apply all this to a Bedini motor setup on the input, with extra batteries charging on the output.

And don't forget the output is on the slow side, but it is very powerful... And YES you can have extremely powerful forces at very slow speeds... for example, would anyone doubt the power behind continental drift.

I can't do it all my self.

#### MoRo

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##### Re: Centripetal Force Yealds Over Unity
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2012, 06:40:22 AM »
Centripetal force liftoff against gravity.

http://youtu.be/GtwR5BCPdB0

#### AlanA

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##### Re: Centripetal Force Yealds Over Unity
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2012, 11:46:07 AM »
Hello MoRo,

Thank you very much for your two new videos. In the first new video everybody gets an imagination about the output force. The last question for me is how much power is necessary to get the bike in motion an keep it running. So you make it really exciting
Jan

#### AlanA

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##### Re: Centripetal Force Yealds Over Unity
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2012, 09:13:07 PM »
Hello MoRo,

I did't some reseach in the internet because I am thrilled to know how much energy is necessary to get the bike in motion. It is clear that a detailed answer is very difficult. A very easy way would be to measure it on your model because it depends on friction, air resictance (which seems to be in this case not so much) ...
I found a side where the energy for turing a bike with 9.3 miles/hour is 50 watts. I know this is very vague but it could help. I don't think that the tool box or the weights needs so much energy to lift up.

Jan

#### NerzhDishual

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##### Re: Centripetal Force Yealds Over Unity
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2012, 01:47:52 AM »

Hi OU Persons,

Just one of my (micro) cent.

To me, this guy: 'TinselKoala' or 'Alsetakolin' or any anagram of "Nikola Tesla" is
a very witty and educated person, indeed.

Anyway, IMHO, he sounds like very destructive and negative. And was, BTW.

For my part, I'm amazed and enjoyed by the creativity of 'OU' researchers.
Yes, some (most?) can be wrong. And then?
It can be a pleasure and a lesson, it could also be a clue.
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About Centripetal?
IMHO, the way official physics is taught is just impeding right understanding.
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About AquariuZ vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ERYReuQIrA
and this MoRo answer: "That looks like a simple flywheel, and has nothing to do with this discussion."

What a nasty answer!
So, an Hero Member takes time to post some very usefull information, indeed, and you
dare to utter such answer.
Shame on U. Connard !

Very Best

#### MoRo

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##### Re: Centripetal Force Yealds Over Unity
« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2012, 05:18:40 AM »
Some interesting simulation effects.

http://youtu.be/jswmcdB5M0A

#### MoRo

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##### Re: Centripetal Force Yealds Over Unity
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2012, 05:50:53 AM »
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About AquariuZ vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ERYReuQIrA
and this MoRo answer: "That looks like a simple flywheel, and has nothing to do with this discussion."

What a nasty answer!
So, an Hero Member takes time to post some very usefull information, indeed, and you
dare to utter such answer.
Shame on U. Connard !

Very Best
I looked at your video again... Just because you complain about my answer... Still, it explains nothing! No words... Just music...
My decision stands, until you explain what is in the video... It's a simple flywheel.

#### johnny874

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##### Re: Centripetal Force Yealds Over Unity
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2012, 09:29:32 PM »
I looked at your video again... Just because you complain about my answer... Still, it explains nothing! No words... Just music...
My decision stands, until you explain what is in the video... It's a simple flywheel.

MoRo,
I think what most people miss when attempting over unity is they need to understand where they are generating this extra energy.
If this is understood, then it can easily be calculated. Inertia for the most part is calculated mv^2/r.
By understanding this, the math and mechanics can be diagrammed.

Jim