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Title: Kornelson's Free Energy Transformer
Post by: bugler on February 26, 2012, 10:03:09 AM
In 2008 a Kornelson published on internet a 12-pages pdf with the concept of a circuit he claimed recharged the battery while producing work.

4 years later I can't find a single thread specifically dedicated to this transformer which strikes me as odd.  There is a thread in overunity where Kornelson is mentioned but his circuit is not discussed.  His email account is not valid anymore. 


The pdf is here: http://es.scribd.com/doc/78879793/The-Free-Energy-Transformer (http://es.scribd.com/doc/78879793/The-Free-Energy-Transformer)


What do you think of the circuit?
Title: Re: Kornelson's Free Energy Transformer
Post by: Groundloop on February 26, 2012, 11:57:36 AM
Here is the document as a direct download.

GL.
Title: Re: Kornelson's Free Energy Transformer
Post by: Goat on February 26, 2012, 01:05:29 PM
@ Buglar

Thank you for posting the D. Kornelson circuit and information, like you mentioned it's very odd that this circuit wasn't discussed in more detail on this forum!

I find that sometimes there is a new and exciting thread that takes everyone away for awhile and when another promising OU circuit is mentioned it gets lost or little discussed because of other distractions and eventually falls off the radar so it's a good thing you brought this one back in the spotlight.

I've recently opened a new thread trying to find information from EE's about component values in order to build what I think is a fairly simple circuit but the document you posted of D. Kornelson's free energy transformer takes the cake as far as simplicity  ;D

I'm going to post the link to this thread in the "Energy Amplification" thread because this theory applies many of the principles talked about over there and it would be something simple for people to build test and verify quickly.

PS: I'm attaching the circuits mentioned in the document so that people can take a quick look at them.

Regards,
Paul


Title: Re: Kornelson's Free Energy Transformer
Post by: maw2432 on February 26, 2012, 02:00:38 PM
Thanks for posting the pdf.    Interesting that Kornelson says in chapter 3 "this system has been tested by myself and shown to generate much more energy than was put into the transformer system".   
Bill
Title: Re: Kornelson's Free Energy Transformer
Post by: Flux It on February 26, 2012, 03:14:56 PM
In 2008 a Kornelson published on internet a 12-pages pdf with the concept of a circuit he claimed recharged the battery while producing work.

4 years later I can't find a single thread specifically dedicated to this transformer which strikes me as odd.  There is a thread in overunity where Kornelson is mentioned but his circuit is not discussed.  His email account is not valid anymore. 


The pdf is here: http://es.scribd.com/doc/78879793/The-Free-Energy-Transformer (http://es.scribd.com/doc/78879793/The-Free-Energy-Transformer)


What do you think of the circuit?

Yes I think I seen that thread he seemed to have taken a bashing. Here is the other thread I found mentioning it-

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3143-free-energy-here.html

It seemed to get a bit ugly at one point also. At the very least it is a good thought experiment. I have had a circuit running for the last 3 weeks that uses a bit of this principle, and some others that I have read. I was surprised at the efficiency so I just let it run until I came up with a good Idea of what to change next.  ;D
Title: Re: Kornelson's Free Energy Transformer
Post by: e2matrix on February 26, 2012, 06:23:49 PM
Allcanadian (the author of this doc) is still around.  He's on overunityresearch.com as well as koneheads yahoo group.  I always find his info very enlightening and I think he's got a few things of great interest.  This may be one of them.  Thanks for bringing it back out in the light. 
Title: Re: Kornelson's Free Energy Transformer
Post by: Goat on February 27, 2012, 05:11:19 AM
@ e2matrix

Thanks for the reply to this thread, I find this whole "Free Energy Transformer" intriguing to say the least.

I've read all of the thread over at Energetic Forum and I can't see why some people shot AllCanadian down so fast and why he never came back to prove his point.

I'm still hanging in the balance and will definitely try to experiment to see if this actually works to at least conserve power to prove the circuit(s) that AllCanadian posted.

It's a shame that nothing more happened with this information as I still would like to ask AllCanadian more questions about his circuits and the component values he used and if he did get OU or at least 95% or more efficiency.

He did list component values in his pdf and he did mention using electolytic capacitors so that's a start.

Regards,

Paul
Title: Re: Kornelson's Free Energy Transformer
Post by: e2matrix on February 28, 2012, 10:32:13 PM
Seeing that AllCanadian says he has validated this and it works and having read his posts for years I don't think for a minute he would state something like this unless it was true.   I do find it odd more people have not jumped on this to give it a try.  I know it gets overwhelming at times and people probably don't want yet another project to try.  After reading through this I can't find any reason not to give this a try. 
Title: Re: Kornelson's Free Energy Transformer
Post by: e2matrix on March 01, 2012, 03:23:58 AM
I gave this a quick and dirty try last night.  None of my values were very close for the Caps and I'm not sure what kind of motor I was using and I'm sure my coil was not a good choice.  But I still had some interesting results.  I'll need to try more to be sure.  I used a 12 volt Nicad pack for a battery and even that might not be as good as a lead acid for this experiment - not sure.  What happened when opening and closing switches (actually just tapping alligator clips to make and break contact) was that I saw voltage climbing fairly fast on C2 to over 16 volts in just a matter of seconds once I got the right rhythm for turning on and off.  It was a bit difficult to hit and it was somewhat accidental I first noticed it.  Took a while to replicate that but I did find a certain on off - speed that worked.  I'm guessing that the 3 or 4 volts over the battery voltage I saw on the cap was some BEMF?  I also didn't have anything for the load at first but eventually put a small computer fan on it for a load.  It only started to turn just once.  The most interesting part was seeing the voltage suddenly climb on C2 when I got the timing just right (all by hand). 


    I'm a little lost on one thing if anyone can help.  I'm not clear what a "high self indcutance coil" is.  I've searched here and found a few references but none explain what it is or show an example.  I did see one member (who opinion I value) say that "the most overlooked, and not fully understood part is the simple high self inductance coil" and another member who I equally value his opinion say " the high self inductance coil (can) be made to do work with its magnetic field for no extra power draw (huge ass hint, Bedini "stole" this idea from Tesla by the way). "



   I think this is worth digging into.  Big time.   


   If you are still around Groundloop what do you think?  Have you tried this setup? 
Title: Re: Kornelson's Free Energy Transformer
Post by: e2matrix on March 01, 2012, 04:17:18 AM
Little more research on 'high self inductance coil'.  Best guess at this moment is it's simply a coil with a higher Henry rating and possibly one with a ferrite or similar core.  Based on the wikipedia mention of 'self inductance' it sounds like it is just the typical property of an inductor or coil but I suspect it may be more related to coils with ferrite cores.  Can anyone clarify? 
Still a bit more I found leads me to think a  'high self inductance coil'  is just in the way it's used in a circuit and the 'self inductance' actually related to back EMF.  So I think in chasing around to find such a coil it is just a common coil which will have a higher Henry rating.   I guess I fell asleep during inductors 101  :)
Title: Re: Kornelson's Free Energy Transformer
Post by: Flux It on March 01, 2012, 04:35:13 AM
I say the more magnetic the more inductance, so iron would be quite high.

http://eculator.com/formula/calculator.do?equation=Self-inductance-of-coil&id=84 (http://eculator.com/formula/calculator.do?equation=Self-inductance-of-coil&id=84)

When the current in the coil is changed, the flux linked with the coil also changes. Hence, there would be an emf induced in the coil, which is called a self induced emf and the phenomenon is called self inductance.
If the number of turns in a coil is N and the flux linked with each turn is Φ, then the total flux linked with the coil is NΦ. Now if the flux is due to current I passing through the coil, the total flux per unit current is,

L = N Φ / I

here L is called self inductance of the coil. Its value depend upon the size and shape of the coil as well as the number of turns. Also on the magnetic property of the medium of the space within coil
Title: Re: Kornelson's Free Energy Transformer
Post by: e2matrix on March 01, 2012, 05:01:08 AM
Flux it,  thank for the help.  I listened to a professor on a youtube running a lot of equations and I still didn't have a clear idea on this but maybe I was tyring to overcomplicate it or was just looking for a magic coil with the label "high self inductance coil'.  Based on what you said it sounds like I was getting close in thinking it's best with some sort of magnetic core rather than just air core. 
I was trying a large air core coil last night.  I almost grabbed a large iron rod I have to put in the coil but was getting to tired to try.  I'll give that a try soon and need to find a suitable load.  I was also letting C1 voltage climb a bit to high.  All in all a half baked try last night but next time it will be better.  I think I'm going to have fun with this one....
Much thanks to bugler and Goat for getting this going.
Title: Re: Kornelson's Free Energy Transformer
Post by: e2matrix on March 01, 2012, 07:44:25 AM
Mystified by some more tests.  Put an iron bar in the coil but far from a tight fit.  Coil inside about 1.5" and bar was about 1" diameter.   Kept trying to duplicate last nights run but couldn't seem to get the voltage up on C2 at all.  Quit for about 2 minutes to fiddle with the load.  Started again and voltage started climbing rapidly and got it up over 33.2 volts in less than one minute.  Battery pack was at 13.47 volts.  Battery seemed to stay at the same voltage - when done I measured 13.47.  I was at it for maybe an hour total.  I don't know if there was a loose connection somewhere before it finally started going up in voltage but I don't think there was.  I don't know what else would explain why it didn't go up until I stopped for about 2 minutes.   I am only using 0.2 Farad for C1 rather than 2.0 Farad as suggested.  C2 is 680 uf at 250 volt - both electrolytics.0
Title: Re: Kornelson's Free Energy Transformer
Post by: Magluvin on March 01, 2012, 06:59:44 PM
I posted on this a bit last night at Energy Amplification thread, now I see it here. ;]

If we just consider the first inductor, switch , cap and diode along with the cap to the far right, without the load at the top, it is like a boost converter, except with the cap inline with the switch.  In a boost converter, without the cap inline with the switch, the switch closure allows the inductor to get charged, then when released, the inductor freewheels its charge into the output cap at the right through the diode.

But here, with the cap inline with the switch, the cap takes on a charge while charging the inductor.  Does that mean we are collecting the energy used to charge the inductor in that cap? ;]  Are we charging the inductor for free. ;]

Next thing is the load. The load and the first inductor seem to run a loop. As the inductor keeps freewheeling it acts as a current source for the load. The far right output cap also, when at higher than source voltage, helps to boost the current flowing in that loop through the load, AND some back to the source. ;]

This circuit has a lot of good and strange qualities and should be investigated thoroughly. I ran it on Falstad circuit sim. It needs some very fine tuning, even with the 2 switch circuit, let alone the larger circuit. Component values for each stage and timing of the switching.

Ill post some of my codes for sim after work.

Mags
Title: Re: Kornelson's Free Energy Transformer
Post by: Groundloop on March 02, 2012, 02:08:35 PM
I gave this a quick and dirty try last night.  None of my values were very close for the Caps and I'm not sure what kind of motor I was using and I'm sure my coil was not a good choice.  But I still had some interesting results.  I'll need to try more to be sure.  I used a 12 volt Nicad pack for a battery and even that might not be as good as a lead acid for this experiment - not sure.  What happened when opening and closing switches (actually just tapping alligator clips to make and break contact) was that I saw voltage climbing fairly fast on C2 to over 16 volts in just a matter of seconds once I got the right rhythm for turning on and off.  It was a bit difficult to hit and it was somewhat accidental I first noticed it.  Took a while to replicate that but I did find a certain on off - speed that worked.  I'm guessing that the 3 or 4 volts over the battery voltage I saw on the cap was some BEMF?  I also didn't have anything for the load at first but eventually put a small computer fan on it for a load.  It only started to turn just once.  The most interesting part was seeing the voltage suddenly climb on C2 when I got the timing just right (all by hand). 


    I'm a little lost on one thing if anyone can help.  I'm not clear what a "high self indcutance coil" is.  I've searched here and found a few references but none explain what it is or show an example.  I did see one member (who opinion I value) say that "the most overlooked, and not fully understood part is the simple high self inductance coil" and another member who I equally value his opinion say " the high self inductance coil (can) be made to do work with its magnetic field for no extra power draw (huge ass hint, Bedini "stole" this idea from Tesla by the way). "



   I think this is worth digging into.  Big time.   


   If you are still around Groundloop what do you think?  Have you tried this setup?

e2matrix,

Still here, but not every day.

I did build a motor with reed relays some few years ago based on the above method.
I do not have the files or the motor anymore. The idea looks good. Good luck with your
research.

GL.
Title: Re: Kornelson's Free Energy Transformer
Post by: Groundloop on March 02, 2012, 05:04:46 PM
e2matrix,

I found the files at an old backup. Attached is my various tests with a motor.
The circuit drawings is in the attached RAR file.

GL.
Title: Re: Kornelson's Free Energy Transformer
Post by: e2matrix on March 02, 2012, 06:23:35 PM
Thanks Mags for the explanation.  I have not tried to understand how it works yet so that helps a lot.   

Thanks GL and yes I think this is worth looking at some more.  It's a simple circuit and there's a lot of variables you can easily play with.  I need to take time to see if I can get a couple answers from allcanadian too as I know he's around on OUR.  Between this and the 3 battery generator that Turion (DBowling) is working on there are lots of easy builds to dig into. 
Title: Re: Kornelson's Free Energy Transformer
Post by: e2matrix on March 02, 2012, 06:25:22 PM
Groundloop,  Thanks!  I didn't see your last post until I just posted.  I'll have a good look at them.
Title: Re: Kornelson's Free Energy Transformer
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