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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: e2matrix on February 24, 2012, 04:23:55 AM
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I stumbled onto this while looking at Youtube vid's and saw someone that had a title of "Self Running Generator Progress". They are a generator manufacturer and posted at youtube with info that they had it almost self running. That was in July, 2011. I looked at their web site to see they have a Patent pending for a 'Self-Running Linear Generator'. They also have a patent applied for a Zero cogging generator (different device). You can look at .PDF files for both these at the site. They have in big red letters in the document that these documents are confidential and are not to be put anywhere but they are openly available there at these links: http://www.ftcenergy.com/PatentSelfRunningEx.pdf and http://www.ftcenergy.com/nn7876.pdf on their web site so you can see what they have. It sounds like their intent is to make small units to replace batteries in every sort of appliance and device. They say they will last as long as the permanent magnets (500 years is mentioned). I searched here but didn't see this company mentioned anywhere. They say they now have success. From their web site:
"Our Goal: Make Clean, Limitless Energy Available To Everyone
The Challenges:
Create a Revolutionary Generator
Create A Trouble-Free Mechanical System
Create A Revolutionary Blade To Capture Fluid Energy
No Compromises
Make Everything Affordable
Final Results: Goals Accomplished"
Sounds good to me ;)
Anyone heard of them or know any more about them other than what is on their web site? www.ftcenergy.com
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They also state their 'Zero Cogging Generator' is the Holy Grail of Permanent magnet Generator design. A rather bold statement unless they really have something. I can't see that they are looking for investors so at this point this is looking rather exciting. I'm continuing to read more and dig deeper but just wanted to get this out there to see if anyone else has info on them. More to follow .....
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hey, look at that. In the second pdf, it shows each winding with its own bridge rectifier and cap, with all the caps in series for output. Like Romero did. ;]
Mags
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I looked this over and noticed an interesting thing from the linear generator in that the
'coils' are coreless and therefore present themselves as true on/off units that have no
residual attraction to the end PMs. The shuttle therefore can be in balance ( both ends
with minor attraction) and the coils can be pulsed singularly or as opposed pairs to drive
the shuttle. They don't have to 'fight' a residual magnetic core to change direction.
tak
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Nice catch there Mags, That is noteworthy and says something about both Romero and these guys. Hopefully these were not the guys who supposedly harassed Romero.
tak22, thanks for your explanation. That sounds interesting and seems to add credibility to their design. So far I haven't been able to find any of their devices for sale other than a site that seems to sell their wind turbines but no prices found yet. I'll probably drop them an email to see what they actually have available.
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This is our final generator design. ( See test of larger generator http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_Uqyk9qgNw ) It heralds the launch of a whole new class of Zero Cogging PM generators ranging from 500 watts to 5 megawatts. We worked four years to get the power we wanted. The generator is turning about 300 rpm. We used exotic metals, designed special flux paths, created new assembling techniques, and made ready for a major manufacturing effort.
These generators will go on everything from steam engines to gas engines to water turbines. If there is a shaft that turns, these generators will make it a source of electricity. It's going to be a new world.
We are willing to do a live demonstration of our generators for any substantial company or recognized technical organization. You can see the generator performance for yourself. Just make an appointment and we'll show you live.
Email lab@ftcenergy / 386.575.0088
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posted double...
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"Confidential: This drawing and any information contained herin is considered proprietary and the exclusive property of The Franklin-Thomas Company, Inc. and shall not be published, copied, reproduced or disclosed by any means whole or in part without the written permission of The Franklin-Thomas Company"
It's published all over the internet now! Why?
Vidar
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This is our final generator design. ( See test of larger generator http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_Uqyk9qgNw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_Uqyk9qgNw) ) It heralds the launch of a whole new class of Zero Cogging PM generators ranging from 500 watts to 5 megawatts. We worked four years to get the power we wanted. The generator is turning about 300 rpm. We used exotic metals, designed special flux paths, created new assembling techniques, and made ready for a major manufacturing effort.
These generators will go on everything from steam engines to gas engines to water turbines. If there is a shaft that turns, these generators will make it a source of electricity. It's going to be a new world.
We are willing to do a live demonstration of our generators for any substantial company or recognized technical organization. You can see the generator performance for yourself. Just make an appointment and we'll show you live.
Email lab@ftcenergy / 386.575.0088
dutchy1966, Are you in FTC Energy company or is the post above just a quote from their web site? If you are with FTC Energy I would like to ask a couple questions. First question is whether any of these units are currently available for sale to individuals or home owners? I am also interested in the wind turbine generators but so far have not been able to find any prices or places that sell these online.
Secondly are the self running generators currently being produced and are they for sale to individuals or groups. I do believe if several of our well known members here were to see a demo and were able to verify what seems to be claimed here that it's likely there would be a lot of members here that would want to buy a unit for home use if they are affordable (read considerably less expensive than a solar system). At this time the Rossi E-Cat device has been stated by Rossi that he expects it to sell in the $400 to $500 dollar range for a home unit. I'm not sure at this time if that includes the power interface to the electrical or not but even if it does not it is still a very attractively priced device which likely could be set up with a small steam turbine generator for anything from several hundred to a couple thousand dollars. Considering 6000 watt gas generators are going for under $1000 I think the steam to generator interface could be made for the same or less than a gas engine and thus another $1000 or so for converting the E-cat to electrical power shouldn't be that much more if it's not already planned in the device. I haven't followed the E-cat close enough lately to know where it's at in that respect.
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"Confidential: This drawing and any information contained herin is considered proprietary and the exclusive property of The Franklin-Thomas Company, Inc. and shall not be published, copied, reproduced or disclosed by any means whole or in part without the written permission of The Franklin-Thomas Company"
It's published all over the internet now! Why?
Vidar
Yes that is a little odd that they put it openly on thier web site with that sort of statement. That's why I didn't grab the PDF's and post them here but nothing wrong with telling people about the web site and that there is fantastic information available in the documents they have openly on the main page of their web site. I really hope this all works out and everyone can end up with this much needed type of energy for the people and this wonderful planet we are currently failing to protect. It is our home afterall and we need to keep it safe and beautiful.
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Well this find does not inspire my confidence : http://www.racecom.com/ (http://www.racecom.com/) Same phone number there as FTC Energy as well as the fact that FTC Energy's youtube uploader has the name realracecom so high likelyhood this is the same person or company. That's not to say that a $7500 apparent horse race winner predicting software (if I understand the main page correctly)doesn't work but it's not the best thing to have associated with a breakthrough power technology IMO.
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I did some research and I'd say that FTC Energy is more legit than not.
I sure would like to see a demo or more detail on the linear generator :)
tak
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Well this find does not inspire my confidence : http://www.racecom.com/ (http://www.racecom.com/) Same phone number there as FTC Energy as well as the fact that FTC Energy's youtube uploader has the name realracecom so high likelyhood this is the same person or company. That's not to say that a $7500 apparent horse race winner predicting software (if I understand the main page correctly)doesn't work but it's not the best thing to have associated with a breakthrough power technology IMO.
They know that the world is filled with enough primitive people, so they do claim this and that to get their money. The linear generator is bull shit also. It cannot work - it just can't. The generator is not different from any other generator that is suppose to be driven by another motor. It just cannot work. It is obvious.
These people are scammers. No doubt about that.
Vidar
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Streetview of the business address at 268 Kettering Rd. Deltona Fl
Looks like He has been in business since 1987. Software, energy etc.
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This guy has been around Alternative Energy for some time. He has 89 videos posted.
Here is one in front of the same house shown above where he is testing one of his wind turbines compared to another.
I also think he is legit.
http://youtu.be/0KVaVNTGh2s (http://youtu.be/0KVaVNTGh2s)
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Anyone seen the two videos by FTCenergy, one dated yesterday and one dated three weeks ago? They both show a 300+ watt motor driving the generator with a 700+ load. Approximately a 100% gain of overunity. They list the generators at a base price of $7500 and list a non toll-free telephone number. Scam? Familiarity?
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Anyone seen the two videos by FTCenergy, one dated yesterday and one dated three weeks ago? They both show a 300+ watt motor driving the generator with a 700+ load. Approximately a 100% gain of overunity. They list the generators at a base price of $7500 and list a non toll-free telephone number. Scam? Familiarity?
I don't think it's a scam, although their process is, somewhat, unusual. I called the number on their Web site and spoke to a guy who sent me to directionalenergy.com instead of ftcenergy.com.
It looks that directionalenergy.com is run by 2 (I presume) brothers - Conrad and Allen Staff who live in Nevada and Orange respectively. Hence their 'headquarters' are in Nevada and Orange.
According to the guy prices start @US $1500 per watt so a 5 KW generator would cost $7500. [Yikes!]
That aside, FTCenergy products look real. They utilize a similar to Converteam's approach to minimize cogging (patent 7,714,473 - http://www.google.com/patents/US7714473?printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q&f=false) - fractioning the number of winding slots per pole. In FTCEnergy's case the number is always N.5 (i.e. 1.5, 2.5, 3.5 and so on). Almost identical patent application have been filed by, at least, another 2 companies. B.T.W it looks like Converteam is a subsidiary of GE so it will be difficult for anyone to overtake them.
Will see soon enough.
P.S. All their coils are independent from each other. That supposed to give flexibility of configuring the generator. In reality, it is going to be a big plus for all tinkerers and a big headache for anyone else.
Finally, there is a big question mark about the reliability of the generator as both the rotor and the stator are made of plastic (phenolic) materials. It helps to minimize the eddy currents losses but it minimizes the lifespan as well.
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Thanx for the info. This company shows two overunity demonstrations on Youtube. I wonder if anyone has verified the claim? I'd like to order a generator and give it a test, if it came with a guarantee.
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According to the guy I have spoken with, the second unit (round case) is not available at all. Only the square case unit is available.
The 'available' part is questionable as he could not tell me the lead time for the unit.
My initial thought was, probably, exactly like yours. Get a unit, connect it to a small motor (or a rotoverter, or a pulse-driven motor, etc.) and, presto, you have an OU setup. My understanding is that they could not do it, neither could Converteam's guys.
In fact, Converteam is way more conservative. They do not claim 'zero cogging' but just 'reduced cogging'.
Another point to consider here is this. Zero-cogging generator is not the same as lenzless generator. You will still have to supply more rotational power when increasing the load. Zero-cogging is just a way of reducing free-running losses.
However, if you really need a 'zero-cogging' generator than I would recommend to look for 'axial-flux generators'. They are definitely reduced-cogging generators if not 'zero-cogging'. Best of all, they are available in industrial quantities from a number of manufactures primarily for wind applications. I have seen a number of axial-flux 'zero-cogging' generators around 3 kW mark for about $900.
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I almost forgot about this thread. I just looked at the vid they have with a motor running their gen. and powering 750 watts in lights. No solid proof there. Now if they would put watt meters on the input to the motor and the output to the lights I might start to get a little excited. But they didn't and why wouldn't they do this. $20 x 2 = $40 for watt meters so why wouldn't they want to show this with meters if it was really OU? Because it probably is not.... IMO - just Florida salesman - home of more scams than I can recall. I hate to be negative when I don't have proof but please don't anyone go spend money on one of these unless you go there in person and thoroughly check it out. There is nothing to convince me so far this is anything other than bloated claims hoping to sell to a few unsuspecting people. The other obvious thing they would be doing if it was really that much OU is to power the motor from the generator once started and then power a couple hundred watts in bulbs too - all self running which would be easy to do if it was really that much OU as they claim.
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According to the guy I have spoken with, the second unit (round case) is not available at all. Only the square case unit is available.
The 'available' part is questionable as he could not tell me the lead time for the unit.
My initial thought was, probably, exactly like yours. Get a unit, connect it to a small motor (or a rotoverter, or a pulse-driven motor, etc.) and, presto, you have an OU setup. My understanding is that they could not do it, neither could Converteam's guys.
In fact, Converteam is way more conservative. They do not claim 'zero cogging' but just 'reduced cogging'.
Another point to consider here is this. Zero-cogging generator is not the same as lenzless generator. You will still have to supply more rotational power when increasing the load. Zero-cogging is just a way of reducing free-running losses.
However, if you really need a 'zero-cogging' generator than I would recommend to look for 'axial-flux generators'. They are definitely reduced-cogging generators if not 'zero-cogging'. Best of all, they are available in industrial quantities from a number of manufactures primarily for wind applications. I have seen a number of axial-flux 'zero-cogging' generators around 3 kW mark for about $900.
Yeah, I'm familiar with the axial-flux "zero-cogging" wind generators. That seems like a good resource. I'm not real sure why this company and Converteam could not create an OU setup. Do you know the reason?
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I almost forgot about this thread. I just looked at the vid they have with a motor running their gen. and powering 750 watts in lights. No solid proof there. Now if they would put watt meters on the input to the motor and the output to the lights I might start to get a little excited. But they didn't and why wouldn't they do this. $20 x 2 = $40 for watt meters so why wouldn't they want to show this with meters if it was really OU? Because it probably is not.... IMO - just Florida salesman - home of more scams than I can recall. I hate to be negative when I don't have proof but please don't anyone go spend money on one of these unless you go there in person and thoroughly check it out. There is nothing to convince me so far this is anything other than bloated claims hoping to sell to a few unsuspecting people. The other obvious thing they would be doing if it was really that much OU is to power the motor from the generator once started and then power a couple hundred watts in bulbs too - all self running which would be easy to do if it was really that much OU as they claim.
I totally agree, that's why I suggested I might make a purchase if there was a money back guarantee. And like you said a wattmeter at the input and output would be ideal. All we have to go on is the word of the narrator that the motor is rated at about 300 watts and the lights are rated at 750 watts. There might be some merit to the lightbulb claim, they may seem bright enough to be rated at 750 watts, but they could be supplied from the wall outlet. If this generator is as good as the narrator claims then why is he promoting it for wind and hydro as the prime mover when a closed loop motor could be used? Something doesn't add up here!
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Yeah, I'm familiar with the axial-flux "zero-cogging" wind generators. That seems like a good resource. I'm not real sure why this company and Converteam could not create an OU setup. Do you know the reason?
Simply because there is no OU there at all. The videos are misleading. The author does his utmost not to mention OU but offers to 'draw your own conclusions'. That way they cannot be accused of false representation.
As usual the Occam's razor works here. What is it more likely: 1/ someone who clever enough to create an OU generator has no interest in creating a complete OU setup, or 2/ hints at OU are just a trick to sell a hugely overpriced generator.
FTC's design is conventional. While offering a reduced cogging it has no elements of OU.
P.S. Unlike FTC Converteam does not mention OU at all or even hints at it. Their goal is high efficiency.
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Simply because there is no OU there at all. The videos are misleading. The author does his utmost not to mention OU but offers to 'draw your own conclusions'. That way they cannot be accused of false representation.
As usual the Occam's razor works here. What is it more likely: 1/ someone who clever enough to create an OU generator has no interest in creating a complete OU setup, or 2/ hints at OU are just a trick to sell a hugely overpriced generator.
FTC's design is conventional. While offering a reduced cogging it has no elements of OU.
P.S. Unlike FTC Converteam does not mention OU at all or even hints at it. Their goal is high efficiency.
I think I'm starting to catch on now. This could be a case of caveot emptor and "puffing." In otherwords, a merchant can exagerate the claims of a product (puffing), but it is up to the consumer's discretion for the buyer to beware (caveot emptor). So this manufacturer implies that this device has OU capabilities without actually expressing it in order to attract potential customers. Which means that the output is obviously faked, probably wired up to a wall outlet. I agree with your assessment, you can buy a zero-cog alternator rated at 3 kilowatts for around a $1000, a much better bargain. Thanx for the insight.
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He claims they can make an OU device, but it seems to be only about 150% device. So you would be doing a lot of cranking to get the wattage/ wear & tear he claims. You can get easier & faster drawdown on the electric bill by using the NG engine? Still sounds fishy. But 1-2 cents per kwh vs 15-18 from the power co. hmmm.
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He claims they can make an OU device, but it seems to be only about 150% device. So you would be doing a lot of cranking to get the wattage/ wear & tear he claims. You can get easier & faster drawdown on the electric bill by using the NG engine? Still sounds fishy. But 1-2 cents per kwh vs 15-18 from the power co. hmmm.
What is the NG engine?
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NG = Natural Gas powered internal combustion engine. That's a primary config he wants to sell, also with a wind turbine.
Asked about production, when could I get one, "that depends", gonna have to have one running in front of me, with flowmeters, wattmeters, may have to an all electric OU model running, or side by side comparison of a conventional generator. Said he plans to have units positioned for sale soon in Maryland, or up the east coast. guess I have to wait. Don't think he was open to me coming down to Fla to see the unit. but on the website, has posted third party verification of OU as of 7/19
If true, I think I could get emergency backup and zeroize my energy bill for with even a 5KW model, running about 8hrs a day if I got my math right. I'd be plugged into the newest source of clean homegrown energy, Marsalas shale gas, cheap to start with, and make electricity much cheaper than the power company, in a weekend install time, for about $7500. It takes a %30-$50K solar power installation on the roof and it still couldn't provide that kind of power. Where can you get a few hundred dollar return per month on an investment these days?
When he wouldn't even begin to give an estimate of when he could deliver a unit, the best thing I could think is he is still trying to get his production line set up? Oh well, still hoping...
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sampojo, Your contact and replies says even more IMO that it's just a scam. If he had real OU he could easily show it. Maybe he is hoping for that also. I wouldn't touch anything he's got now unless he's giving it away free. If he is claiming OU there is no reason to 'draw your own conclusion' as Avalon mentioned he says. I also agree with Avalon that it's just an overpriced generator with a gimicky sales pitch. Still it will be good to keep an eye on his website but I would not advise anyone to buy anything unless they can prove thoroughly the efficiency or OU. One also needs to ask about longevity of the unit as some generators can be very easy to destroy if they go over a rated speed.
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They do post a company study of an event that says that they verified overunity power production, July 19th. I asked about coming down to see it, he didn't say no. If true, I would think you would have the electric motor to generator hookup running in the showroom. He said they were going to position some units up the east coast, not as far from me. I want to see if I can get my brother to go there to check things out in Florida. But kind of warming to the idea of putting a wind turbine on my roof. ;)
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new video posted on youtube realracecom channel on the FTC Generator. they are claiming a 92% efficiency. Seems like a discrepancy compared to things said and implied on the web site. Might have to call Joe Shepard up and ask if it is the same generator.