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Offline Xaverius

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Re: FTC Energy's Self-Running Linear Generator
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2012, 10:17:12 PM »
Anyone seen the two videos by FTCenergy, one dated yesterday and one dated three weeks ago?  They both show a 300+ watt motor driving the generator with a 700+ load.  Approximately a 100% gain of overunity.  They list the generators at a base price of $7500 and list a non toll-free telephone number.  Scam? Familiarity?

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Re: FTC Energy's Self-Running Linear Generator
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2012, 11:49:55 PM »
Anyone seen the two videos by FTCenergy, one dated yesterday and one dated three weeks ago?  They both show a 300+ watt motor driving the generator with a 700+ load.  Approximately a 100% gain of overunity.  They list the generators at a base price of $7500 and list a non toll-free telephone number.  Scam? Familiarity?
I don't think it's a scam, although their process is, somewhat, unusual. I called the number on their Web site and spoke to a guy who sent me to directionalenergy.com instead of ftcenergy.com.
It looks that directionalenergy.com is run by 2 (I presume) brothers - Conrad and Allen Staff who live in Nevada and Orange respectively. Hence their 'headquarters' are in Nevada and Orange.
According to the guy prices start @US $1500 per watt so a 5 KW generator would cost $7500. [Yikes!]

That aside, FTCenergy products look real. They utilize a similar to Converteam's approach to minimize cogging (patent 7,714,473 - http://www.google.com/patents/US7714473?printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q&f=false) - fractioning the number of winding slots per pole. In FTCEnergy's case the number is always N.5 (i.e. 1.5, 2.5, 3.5 and so on). Almost identical patent application have been filed by, at least, another 2 companies. B.T.W it looks like Converteam is a subsidiary of GE so it will be difficult for anyone to overtake them.

Will see soon enough.

P.S. All their coils are independent from each other. That supposed to give flexibility of configuring the generator. In reality, it is going to be a big plus for all tinkerers and a big headache for anyone else.
Finally, there is a big question mark about the reliability of the generator as both the rotor and the stator are made of plastic (phenolic) materials. It helps to minimize the eddy currents losses but it minimizes the lifespan as well.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2012, 06:24:23 AM by avalon »

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Re: FTC Energy's Self-Running Linear Generator
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2012, 09:32:28 PM »
Thanx for the info.  This company shows two overunity demonstrations on Youtube.  I wonder if anyone has verified the claim?  I'd like to order a generator and give it a test, if it came with a guarantee.

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Re: FTC Energy's Self-Running Linear Generator
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2012, 09:32:28 PM »
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Re: FTC Energy's Self-Running Linear Generator
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2012, 10:10:00 PM »
According to the guy I have spoken with, the second unit (round case) is not available at all. Only the square case unit is available.
The 'available' part is questionable as he could not tell me the lead time for the unit.

My initial thought was, probably, exactly like yours. Get a unit, connect it to a small motor (or a rotoverter, or a pulse-driven motor, etc.) and, presto, you have an OU setup. My understanding is that they could not do it, neither could Converteam's guys.

In fact, Converteam is way more conservative. They do not claim 'zero cogging' but just 'reduced cogging'.
Another point to consider here is this. Zero-cogging generator is not the same as lenzless generator. You will still have to supply more rotational power when increasing the load. Zero-cogging is just a way of reducing free-running losses.

However, if you really need a 'zero-cogging' generator than I would recommend to look for 'axial-flux generators'. They are definitely reduced-cogging generators if not 'zero-cogging'. Best of all, they are available in industrial quantities from a number of manufactures primarily for wind applications. I have seen a number of axial-flux 'zero-cogging' generators around 3 kW mark for about $900.







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Re: FTC Energy's Self-Running Linear Generator
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2012, 04:16:15 AM »
I almost forgot about this thread.  I just looked at the vid they have with a motor running their gen. and powering 750 watts in lights.  No solid proof there.  Now if they would put watt meters on the input to the motor and the output to the lights I might start to get a little excited.  But they didn't and why wouldn't they do this.  $20 x 2 = $40 for watt meters so why wouldn't they want to show this with meters if it was really OU?  Because it probably is not.... IMO - just Florida salesman - home of more scams than I can recall.  I hate to be negative when I don't have proof but please don't anyone go spend money on one of these unless you go there in person and thoroughly check it out.  There is nothing to convince me so far this is anything other than bloated claims hoping to sell to a few unsuspecting people.  The other obvious thing they would be doing if it was really that much OU is to power the motor from the generator once started and then power a couple hundred watts in bulbs too - all self running which would be easy to do if it was really that much OU as they claim. 

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Re: FTC Energy's Self-Running Linear Generator
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2012, 06:49:37 AM »
According to the guy I have spoken with, the second unit (round case) is not available at all. Only the square case unit is available.
The 'available' part is questionable as he could not tell me the lead time for the unit.

My initial thought was, probably, exactly like yours. Get a unit, connect it to a small motor (or a rotoverter, or a pulse-driven motor, etc.) and, presto, you have an OU setup. My understanding is that they could not do it, neither could Converteam's guys.

In fact, Converteam is way more conservative. They do not claim 'zero cogging' but just 'reduced cogging'.
Another point to consider here is this. Zero-cogging generator is not the same as lenzless generator. You will still have to supply more rotational power when increasing the load. Zero-cogging is just a way of reducing free-running losses.

However, if you really need a 'zero-cogging' generator than I would recommend to look for 'axial-flux generators'. They are definitely reduced-cogging generators if not 'zero-cogging'. Best of all, they are available in industrial quantities from a number of manufactures primarily for wind applications. I have seen a number of axial-flux 'zero-cogging' generators around 3 kW mark for about $900.
  Yeah, I'm familiar with the axial-flux "zero-cogging" wind generators.  That seems like a good resource.  I'm not real sure why this company and Converteam could not create an OU setup.  Do you know the reason?

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Re: FTC Energy's Self-Running Linear Generator
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2012, 06:56:13 AM »
I almost forgot about this thread.  I just looked at the vid they have with a motor running their gen. and powering 750 watts in lights.  No solid proof there.  Now if they would put watt meters on the input to the motor and the output to the lights I might start to get a little excited.  But they didn't and why wouldn't they do this.  $20 x 2 = $40 for watt meters so why wouldn't they want to show this with meters if it was really OU?  Because it probably is not.... IMO - just Florida salesman - home of more scams than I can recall.  I hate to be negative when I don't have proof but please don't anyone go spend money on one of these unless you go there in person and thoroughly check it out.  There is nothing to convince me so far this is anything other than bloated claims hoping to sell to a few unsuspecting people.  The other obvious thing they would be doing if it was really that much OU is to power the motor from the generator once started and then power a couple hundred watts in bulbs too - all self running which would be easy to do if it was really that much OU as they claim.
  I totally agree, that's why I suggested I might make a purchase if there was a money back guarantee.  And like you said a wattmeter at the input and output would be ideal.  All we have to go on is the word of the narrator that the motor is rated at about 300 watts and the lights are rated at 750 watts.  There might be some merit to the lightbulb claim, they may seem bright enough to be rated at 750 watts, but they could be supplied from the wall outlet.  If this generator is as good as the narrator claims then why is he promoting it for wind and hydro as the prime mover when a closed loop motor could be used?  Something doesn't add up here!

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Re: FTC Energy's Self-Running Linear Generator
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2012, 05:37:05 PM »
  Yeah, I'm familiar with the axial-flux "zero-cogging" wind generators.  That seems like a good resource.  I'm not real sure why this company and Converteam could not create an OU setup.  Do you know the reason?

Simply because there is no OU there at all. The videos are misleading. The author does his utmost not to mention OU but offers to 'draw your own conclusions'. That way they cannot be accused of false representation.

As usual the Occam's razor works here. What is it more likely: 1/ someone who clever enough to create an OU generator has no interest in creating a complete OU setup, or 2/ hints at OU are just a trick to sell a hugely overpriced generator.

FTC's design is conventional. While offering a reduced cogging it has no elements of OU.


P.S. Unlike FTC Converteam does not mention OU at all or even hints at it. Their goal is high efficiency.

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Re: FTC Energy's Self-Running Linear Generator
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2012, 10:54:29 PM »
Simply because there is no OU there at all. The videos are misleading. The author does his utmost not to mention OU but offers to 'draw your own conclusions'. That way they cannot be accused of false representation.

As usual the Occam's razor works here. What is it more likely: 1/ someone who clever enough to create an OU generator has no interest in creating a complete OU setup, or 2/ hints at OU are just a trick to sell a hugely overpriced generator.

FTC's design is conventional. While offering a reduced cogging it has no elements of OU.


P.S. Unlike FTC Converteam does not mention OU at all or even hints at it. Their goal is high efficiency.
I think I'm starting to catch on now.  This could be a case of caveot emptor and "puffing."  In otherwords, a merchant can exagerate the claims of a product (puffing), but it is up to the consumer's discretion for the buyer to beware (caveot emptor).  So this manufacturer implies that this device has OU capabilities without actually expressing it in order to attract potential customers.  Which means that the output is obviously faked, probably wired up to a wall outlet.  I agree with your assessment, you can buy a zero-cog alternator rated at 3 kilowatts for around a $1000, a much better bargain.  Thanx for the insight.

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Re: FTC Energy's Zero-cogging Generator
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2012, 11:25:18 PM »
He claims they can make an OU device, but it seems to be only about 150% device.   So you would be doing a lot of cranking to get the wattage/ wear & tear he claims.  You can get easier & faster drawdown on the electric bill by using the NG engine?  Still sounds fishy.  But 1-2 cents per kwh vs 15-18 from the power co.  hmmm.

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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2012, 06:26:33 PM »
He claims they can make an OU device, but it seems to be only about 150% device.   So you would be doing a lot of cranking to get the wattage/ wear & tear he claims.  You can get easier & faster drawdown on the electric bill by using the NG engine?  Still sounds fishy.  But 1-2 cents per kwh vs 15-18 from the power co.  hmmm.
What is the NG engine?

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« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2012, 04:44:56 AM »
NG = Natural Gas powered internal combustion engine.  That's a primary config he wants to sell, also with a wind turbine.
Asked about production, when could I get one, "that depends",  gonna have to have one running in front of me, with flowmeters, wattmeters, may have to an all electric OU model running, or side by side comparison of a conventional generator.  Said he plans to have units positioned for sale soon in Maryland, or up the east coast.  guess I have to wait.  Don't think he was open to me coming down to Fla to see the unit.  but on the website, has posted third party verification of OU as of 7/19

If true, I think I could get emergency backup and zeroize my energy bill for with even a 5KW model, running about 8hrs a day if I got my math right.  I'd be plugged into the newest source of clean homegrown energy, Marsalas shale gas, cheap to start with, and make electricity much cheaper than the power company, in a weekend install time, for about $7500.  It takes a %30-$50K solar power installation on the roof and it still couldn't provide that kind of power.  Where can you get a few hundred dollar return per month on an investment these days?

When he wouldn't even begin to give an estimate of when he could deliver a unit, the best thing I could think is he is still trying to get his production line set up?  Oh well, still hoping...

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Re: FTC Energy's Self-Running Linear Generator
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2012, 07:06:18 PM »
sampojo,  Your contact and replies says even more IMO that it's just a scam.   If he had real OU he could easily show it.  Maybe he is hoping for that also.  I wouldn't touch anything he's got now unless he's giving it away free.  If he is claiming OU there is no reason to 'draw your own conclusion' as Avalon mentioned he says.   I also agree with Avalon that it's just an overpriced generator with a gimicky sales pitch.  Still it will be good to keep an eye on his website but I would not advise anyone to buy anything unless they can prove thoroughly the efficiency or OU.  One also needs to ask about longevity of the unit as some generators can be very easy to destroy if they go over a rated speed.

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« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2012, 04:22:57 AM »
They do post  a company study of an event that says that they verified overunity power production, July 19th.  I asked about coming down to see it, he didn't say no.  If true, I would think you would have the electric motor to generator hookup running in the showroom.  He said they were going to position some units up the east coast, not as far from me.  I want to see if I can get my brother to go there to check things out in Florida.  But kind of warming to the idea of putting a wind turbine on my roof.  ;)

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Re: FTC Energy's Self-Running Linear Generator
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2012, 05:06:05 AM »
new video posted on youtube realracecom channel on the FTC Generator.  they are claiming a 92% efficiency.  Seems like a discrepancy compared to things said and implied on the web site.  Might have to call Joe Shepard up and ask if it is the same generator.

 

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