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johnny874

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For John Collins
« on: February 10, 2012, 11:54:20 PM »
  @All,
 This thread will be for John Collins. I will be detailing one possible way
to build a wheel and explain why I believe it is Johann Bessler's.
 If anyone wishes to comment on this, another thread could be started for that purpose.
 I am hoping that if I am not able to find someone willing to build this, then maybe John can.
He does have the respect of all Bessler enthusiasts that I know of.
 To that end, the attached drawing is the basic frame of the wheel. It's design will seem simple enough, but to realize it's potential, it will need to be better understood. This is because like a low pressure steam turbine that uses vacuum to increase it's efficiency (pulls steam because of the increased pressure difference). Like wise, using vacuum in this design could allow for "dead weights" to perform work allowing the fluid creating the over balance to weigh more than a single weight. It is this that would allow for the pursuit of a 60 RPM wheel.
 The first 2 drawings are Mt's 66 & 67. Mt 66 shows a piston pumping a fluid (?) to a bladder at the top by using a weight on a long lever and a tube between the bladders. Mt 67 shows the same bladders but going around the wheel. This is where warped or curved boards would allow for a tube to be compressed allowing for the use of hydraulic theory. The "secret" would be in it's simplest form that the lever and it's weight would need to be compared to the
vertical height of the pump section and the amount of fluid being pumped. The weighted lever would need to calculate to more potential than the fluid creates resistence. An example is if the vertical height of the pump were 8 inches (20 cm's) and 1.1 pounds (.5kg's) were to be pumped, then a weight at the end of the lever weighing 1.1 pounds (.5kg's) and is 8 inches (20cm's) long, it would have equal force. If the lever were 12 inches (25cm's) long, then it would have 50% more force than the fluid creates resistence. This is at a right angle or the lever being perpindicular to the vertical height of the pump section. It will work slightly better at 45 degrees before bottom center.
 I will be posting more details of how this could be built along with more drawings and how they relate to this design.
 
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Re: For John Collins
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2012, 09:53:27 PM »
   @All,
 The only reason why I asked people to refrain from general conservation in this thread is because there are 2 professional wood workers that are interested in this project.
 Bessler did say a skilled carpenter could build his wheel. And it does take a good knowledge of working with wood to build something I believe Bessler did build. The actual building
could prove me wrong and that would be okay.
 In the linked picture (Bi-directional Wheel at Merseburg, Germany), there is something that links it to Mt 66. At the 3 o'clock position, you will see what is found in the link. It is the 3rd drawing from the top. If you click on the drawing and magnify where the 2 5's and 2 6's are, you will see how the thrashers work. They are for thrashing wheat into flour. If you look at what lifts them (number 7), it is the part extending from the wheel in mt 66.
 Bi-directional Wheel at Merseburg, Germany
   http://besslerwheel.com/drawings.html
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Re: For John Collins
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2012, 01:22:44 AM »
  Timothy,
 These are the primary dimensions I am working with. The levers will either need
to be on a pin that goes from one side of the wheel to the other or the wheel widened
and the moving curved boards would need to be notched to fit around the support for
the levers.
 The shaded in area on the left is where the tube would be placed. The basic idea is that
a lever generating 5 pounds of force will pump a fluid weighing 1 1/2 pounds. And this
is something that if it works will hopefully keep repeating.
 
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Re: For John Collins
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2012, 12:54:24 AM »
  @All,
 Do believe I have a builder. I told him I am going to simplify the design.
I started thinking about something he mentioned to me. This will make it
easier on myself as well. And in a lot of ways, the first serious attempt at
this design should be as simple as possible, less to go wrong   ;)
 
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