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Title: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on June 25, 2006, 11:33:48 AM
...try on net:"Stellarotor"/New drafts...Mail0004.Best Regards!/Alex
Title: Re: Gravity wheel concept...
Post by: nightwynd on July 12, 2006, 04:53:51 PM
please please please, clarify what it is that you are saying. If you are giving us a link to follow, post the entire link...
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on July 12, 2006, 06:56:57 PM
Hallo Nightwynd!The concept regarding the possibility to collect "gravity flow of inertia"(a real,long-standing,huge and free of "charge"),that "local" inequality inside the number one rule of physical phenomena,this amazing inertia of everything,you can can find out reading some  opinions(of mine...) on:http://www.inter-corporate.com/forums/fieldpropulsion.engineering.html There are a lot of..."paintings" with the help of the verbal potential, about inertial propulsion and as an addenda, about gravity "wheel".To see really what I meant,you can examine the facts:some old experiments,some old and new drawings and designs.So,if you type on net the key word "Stellarotor"(or:http://www.geocities.com/iacob_alex/Stellarotor.htm...in a longer "expression"),you have the site.Success!All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Re: Gravity wheel concept...
Post by: hartiberlin on July 12, 2006, 08:18:27 PM
Have a look at his homepage:

http://www.geocities.com/iacob_alex/
Title: Re: Gravity wheel concept...
Post by: nightwynd on July 14, 2006, 04:25:03 PM
Thanks guys! I'll have to check it out at home...surf control here at work won't allow me into those pages >:(
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on September 04, 2006, 12:41:09 AM
As a short expression of this concept:a variable lever and a commuter.The lever is a first class type(an inflexible bar freely movable about a fixed axis/fulcrum.It has two arms,one invariable(mass M1 at the end R2) and one(the opposite) variable(mass M2 at a commutable/ variable end R1 vs. R3).Two relations,only:M1=M2 and  R1<R2<R3.An inclined plane is used to (self) commute,switch long arm(R3)-short arm(R1) of the lever.If we have a "free for use" bicycle wheel(as a lever),two equal bodies(M1=M2) ,we can fix M1 at a R2 distance from the axis(so to have the constant arm) and at the opposite end of this "lever",we need to perform M2 between an equivalent radius R1 and R3.The switch ,again, :ois self.Shortly:take a bike wheel,fix M1,play M2 on an inclined plane.In any way ,you realize a gravity flip-flop and maybe more...Success!All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Lever vs. wheel...
Post by: iacob alex on September 11, 2006, 11:06:02 PM
...can be an important option,alternative if we desire to enter in this apparent,long time, unseen challange regarding "engineer's dream".A wheel can be considered as a repetitive lever arm arrangement around a hub,a bearing.So,if we have the spoke(lever),we have the wheel.A balance is an apparatus for weighing,a lever supported by a fulcrum.Now,think and imagine about the so old Roman balance,or steelyard ,consisting of a lever,suspended near one of its extremities,on the longer arm of which a counterpoise slides.First move is to bend the long arm at its end,in such a manner that the counterpoise can slide as on inclined plane,so to get an additionally turn upside down motion(an usual pendulum is pushed down 180 degree,this wanted to be two stroke pendular arrangement is set in motion downside for 270 degree...so we have a certain momentum "storage"!),that is a flip time mobility.If you achieve,reach the flop time mobility,the next torque unbalance,you have a flip-flop  circle motion.Keep in mind :a Roman balance with a minor reshape,nothing more.A fish tailing,flapping and rotating on the spot...All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Re: Gravity wheel concept...
Post by: mikestocks2006 on September 15, 2006, 06:28:56 AM
Another gravity devicy powering a car. Made in China,

Working Prototype
http://www.energyfromair.com/beijing/Taiwan.files/frame.htm

188 Horse Power, 225Km/Hour, Gravitational Energy Car
http://www.energyfromair.com/beijing/Taiwan.files/frame.htm
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on September 15, 2006, 06:31:36 PM
Mr Mikestock06!Because your e-mail is "hidden",my only way to answer is public.Sorry!To be short:looking at the photo of the chinese device(presented on a scientific paper in Taiwan...) displayed on the back of the car and thinking at their concept explanation(...),my opinion is to move it on a car-toy.I understand that they want play Tesla effect(as they say...electric energy magnifier,energy extraction mechanism,cosmic energy machine...there are so many on net),but the main spare part,the pendulum,or the pendular arrangement needs a real space.That's the point.You can error  or dupe sometimes in soft,but never in hard.If they play "clean",I wish success on their  Tesla+pendulum way for a full size car.Mike,All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Same input,greater output...?!
Post by: iacob alex on October 23, 2006, 03:51:02 AM
...you can find at #201    www.inter-corporate.com/forums/fieldpropulsion.engineering.html    All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Non nova,sed nove...
Post by: iacob alex on October 24, 2006, 08:19:46 PM
....if you take a look at #202     www.inter-corporate.com/forums/fieldpropulsion.engineering.html    All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept puzzle...
Post by: iacob alex on December 28, 2006, 08:40:52 AM
...becomes perceptible,if we give a lot of attention and thought to the unconditional inequality R1<R2<R3(take a look at    www.geocities.com/iacob_alex/Stellarotor.htm    Mailooo4).The statement is:  if  the  difference /(R3-R1)=const./ and R2 becomes greater and greater,we have a  nonconformity,a discrepant new    situation regarding the "remake" of the long arm-short arm configuration.That classical "mgh" type "interdiction" becomes subject to discussion?About the denomination wheel,take it as a "minimal' wheel/two spokes,so a lever.All in all,the design is intended to be a (self?!) spinning pendular lever.To ask a question is simple,to ask the tailoring one is not a few.All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Gravity engine concept...
Post by: iacob alex on January 02, 2007, 08:02:17 PM
  ...is,in my opinion,alike a Stirling engine concept.Every engine works on the same basic "fire"/hot-cold/ concept:they take energy and turn it into work,converts heat into mechanical usable power.But...the Stirling engine(economizer) is perhaps the simpliest form of engine:a hot air /external combustion engine.It can run on a variety of energy sources and has a good work output.A Stirling engine uses the Stirling cycle,which is unlike the cycles used in internal combustion engines:the gasses(masses)used inside never leave the engine,the cycle uses an external energy source and this machine is operating very quiet.A beta(displacer) type Stirling engine has two pistons(power and displacer) and operates in two strokes.The power piston drives the operating energy out(to the cranck),the displacer piston  moves the gas between hot and cold ends.It you take a look at    www.geocities.com/iacob_alex/Stellarotor.htm    and click on New!New Drafts!(fig 3-Gravity flip-flop),this time the power piston can be M1(red),the displacer piston can be M2(blue).Now,if we add a charge-discharge scheme ,to this flip-flop toy,we have a gravity pulser(fig 1...on the same place).Thinking about dimensions(R2 for power-red  mass M1,R1 and R3 for displacer-blue mass M2),their correlations(the difference /R3-R1/=constant,but R2 becomes bigger and bigger) and time factor(v=gt in a free fall,t becomes longer and longer), can we get  more and more kinetic power,so to "remake" the same constant requirement(mgh,where h=R3-R1) for the displacer!?A brief and simple experiment can be elucidative. Experience is one thing you can trust more than words.A Happy New Year 2007!All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on May 06, 2007, 10:19:14 PM
...can become a real interesting problem,if we have the ability to think about greater and greater values for R2 and especially to test them on a big model,as Aldo Costa.

The first step on a new way is the basic instinct of curiosity,nothing more...

        All the Bests!  /  Alex
Title: Re: Gravity wheel concept...
Post by: bobmary on May 11, 2007, 04:50:42 AM
Check out this site http:www.newenergymachine.com
Title: Re: Gravity wheel concept...
Post by: DrWhat on May 11, 2007, 12:29:56 PM
Check out this site: what a load of "hoo-hah".com

I'm ready to believe, but I don't have enough evidence before me!
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on October 16, 2007, 10:22:52 AM
         
      The main problem of a possible gravity powered device turns around the torque difference...we know that.
     
      The real performance is to put this idea into life,to realize something alike,equivalent to  a continuous self pendular fall in the gravity field/flow.
      The key word is "fall"...so,let it fall !
      The overall design can be to create excess torque on one side ,only...to imagine a most simple asymmetrical situation,where the same identical(it can be a particular case...)  masses are closer to the fulcrum/bearing when rising,than they are when falling.
      This time the key word is "self-fall".
      As Bessler said:a SINGLE pair of a simple arrangement  of  weights(masses...) and lever arms.Here we have,an invitation to apply,again and again the so old leverage principle,but not to a weighting /quasi static manner. NOTHING MORE!
      Gravity can be a motionless  ,inactive phenomenon  (no game with inertia)   or a full of life one/fall(a real play with inertia).

            All the Bests!  /  Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on October 16, 2007, 10:33:53 AM

    A  wheel with two spokes only,is a  "wheel"  also...but ,commonly,we call it a lever.
     

                 All  the  Bests!   /   Alex
Title: Re: Gravity wheel concept...
Post by: hansvonlieven on October 16, 2007, 08:51:28 PM
Another gravity devicy powering a car. Made in China,

Working Prototype
http://www.energyfromair.com/beijing/Taiwan.files/frame.htm

188 Horse Power, 225Km/Hour, Gravitational Energy Car
http://www.energyfromair.com/beijing/Taiwan.files/frame.htm

This is the crap that Lawrence Tseung is pushing around. For some more on this shit have a look at his "Lead Out Theory" thread here on this forum.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: Gravity wheel concept...
Post by: helmut on October 17, 2007, 12:49:39 AM
Another gravity devicy powering a car. Made in China,

Working Prototype
http://www.energyfromair.com/beijing/Taiwan.files/frame.htm

188 Horse Power, 225Km/Hour, Gravitational Energy Car
http://www.energyfromair.com/beijing/Taiwan.files/frame.htm

This is the crap that Lawrence Tseung is pushing around. For some more on this shit have a look at his "Lead Out Theory" thread here on this forum.

Hans von Lieven

Thanx Hans
This is the link i was searching vor,because of the Gravity circuit in a waterpipe with bubbles and one way valves

helmut
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on October 18, 2007, 08:51:03 AM

    Hi  P.Motion!
          It's seems that the real problem of the so desired gravity powered device is not a geometrical design "tracery",so let's say mechanical statics,but a real mechanical dynamics one.
      If  so,the understanndig moves into active gravity(at all times) and active inertia(sometimes) regarding mechanical dynamics.
      The dynamic's comprehension,turns around  the words: energetic,vigurous,active,alive,powerful,impulsive...and others.
      From time to time,the "painting" words,can be the first step to an idea,and more to a first line,an elementary design.

       Anyway,the experiments can enlighten us in an easy manner.

                                                   All the Bests!  /  Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on November 03, 2007, 01:57:24 PM

....can  "sparkle" in our minds ,in some way,in a rainy,pluvial day ...as we are living,are immersed in a huge,massive continuous flow of energy.
   If we have a sea-saw arrangement,the beam will tip over in the direction of the stronger torque.
   If we can imagine something like this,with an unequal,nonstop torque loading ,where the beam will tip down again and again...it can be a very simple thing,but a very important fact.
   The overall design is to create excess  torque on one side only,to imagine a most simple assymetrical situation where the same/identical weights are closer to the fulcrum when rising,than they are when falling.
  It seems that we must think this time in the terms of a falling torque,due to a gravity real flow...

    All the Bests!/  Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: yamalaris on November 04, 2007, 01:00:54 AM
   

"my machine runs by the flight of the weights through the air"
                                                                             Bessler.


Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: fletcher on November 04, 2007, 08:09:15 PM
   

"my machine runs by the flight of the weights through the air"
                                                                             Bessler.




@ Yamalaris - could you give the source of this quote i.e. where did you find it, & could you post up the link - thanks in advance
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on November 04, 2007, 08:55:56 PM
   

       Hi!

  I suposse that Bessler,as a man with a great experience,made a deep notice:  the "air" is a certain property of the space,that we call it...inertia.Or,if you like the "next/underground *air* ",that is responsable for constant velocity/impetus and equilibrium.A kind of "wonder fulcrum"  ,or constant impetus/velocity support,fulcrum.
 So,maybe Bessler played inertia...
    All the Bests!  /  Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on November 06, 2007, 03:02:06 AM
   
    Hi PM!
  In my opinion,the main problem is not mathematics(do we really know the mathematic of the Universe?) but the trial,essay,attempt,experiment with our design,device,mechanism.
  Experience is one thing you can't  get on paper,but with a long and by chance practice.
  So,nothing is a waste of time if you use the experience to find a solution to an apparently unsolvable problem.
  I am sorry,that for the present time ,I am out of this masterful way to discover the future...later,maybe if "tempora" helps me.
  Anyway,I wish you success.

    All the Bests!  /  Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: bigface on November 06, 2007, 04:02:33 AM
There is no such thing as perpetual motion with a gravity wheel or any mechanical system, Newton's first law a object in motion stays in motion only if there are no forces opposing the motion, since there is always friction the wheel will ALWAYS slow down.   
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: AB Hammer on November 06, 2007, 08:21:44 PM
LOL Bigface

 You don't have no idea, do you.  This is just a barrier to beet. Just like flight, that was said could not be done eather. For every statement said that it can't be done, some one, some where is doing it. SO be prepaired to eat crow. For your dinner is flying in. ;D
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on November 09, 2007, 09:41:35 AM
...can be set out(and accomplished mainly,due to a minimal friction),in a short and far away commentary as a "self" tumbling "phantom"(maybe ,for the present time only...) that rolls on a flat,horizontal surface.
  I figure out this shape,profile as a self rotating& flapping pendular system.
  That's my bet in this longtime PM "lottery",or gravity power device questioning.
  Face to something unknown,the first rendezvous is made occasionally by perception.

               All the Bests!  /  Alex 
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on December 10, 2007, 05:38:52 AM

    Hi PM!

 Maybe,I have not the fit word to describe the motion intended by my designs..

 A warped pendular motion,that is alike the first trajectory of a vortex can be an approuch,a modus operandi,but not as a swinging,balancing,to and fro goings on...but as an continuous one way only rotating mobility.
 In a way, as you said, is a mimic of a pendulum .
The gravity flow is the second stage,on the ever first one:inertia.
As we know,the gravity field is irrotational..but with the "help"  of the inertia,we can get the so much wished for existence of vortex,counterflow of the basic basin of energy.
In fact,it is possible that gravity is a partner only...and the energy comes from the "deeps" of the space,the gravity fall playing as a gate only.
All the problem seems to me how to keep going this procedure...

   All the Bests!  /  Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on January 01, 2008, 05:04:21 AM

     Hi!

A Happy New Year  2008!

I am sorry that it is out of my possibilities,favorable chances to develop my designs into reality...due to the fact  of  the forseeable(in my opinion...) dimensions (I am thinking of Aldo Costa,this brave old man) of some pendular arrangements.
But,reasonimg about simplicity,maybe next year,who knows?

  By 2007!   All the Bests 2008!  / Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: helmut on January 01, 2008, 07:28:31 AM

     Hi!

A Happy New Year  2008!

I am sorry that it is out of my possibilities,favorable chances to develop my designs into reality...due to the fact  of  the forseeable(in my opinion...) dimensions (I am thinking of Aldo Costa,this brave old man) of some pendular arrangements.
But,reasonimg about simplicity,maybe next year,who knows?

  By 2007!   All the Bests 2008!  / Alex
Hi Alex
Same to you and in adition lots of luck
Same wishes to you.
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on July 17, 2009, 05:12:01 PM

   ...at:   www.geocities.com/iacob_alex/Some_Drafts/text028.JPG

      To play this game,you need:

        -a rotary frame (your bike wheel...)

        -two masses (look into your garage...)

        -a lucky mind "sparking" (as when you play lottery...)

      I wish you success!

                                              Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on September 30, 2009, 11:10:58 PM

    ...as you can see at:   www.geocities.com/iacob_alex/Some_Drafts/text028.JPG   if validated,can use as a VAP(variable arm procedure) ,the most popular and simple suggestion,that of   www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl8dM2wQB4k   .

      If  you  have a bar with a hinged end (the simplified equivalent of M1/stabile and M2/mobile),you can test the possible reality of this mental image...

        All the best! / Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on October 15, 2009, 09:12:25 PM

    ....has as a central idea,the suggestion that "the wheel" must " flow" :"the wheel" must be (represent),in the same time a "flow/fall".
       We have so many wheels...but where is the flow/fall ?!

            All the best! / Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on October 16, 2009, 08:51:51 PM

   ...has the same basic image,as a water-wheel immersed into a flow,on the riverside.
      We have three main abstract spare parts :a fulcrum/support(riverside),a water wheel and separately,a visible flow(river).

      Here,our problem is to build a water-wheel ,and to fix it on the riverside.

      Gravity has two aspects:
         -stability/statics/object's fixing
         -unstability/dynamics/object's fall("flow")

      We are interested about the dynamic aspect of gravity...

      If we apply the basic image up-here,we have two question-marks ,regarding a possible "gravity wheel"(the fulcrum is out of question...):
         -to determine,release a fall/flow
         -to imagine a self-running "wheel"

      This time,it seems that we have two main abstract spare parts,only:the fulcrum and the "flowing  wheel"...
 
              All the best! / Alex
         
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on October 16, 2009, 10:25:33 PM
When trying to utilize 'flow' to a gravity wheel we need to introduce an ambient energy potential such as thermal expansion, heat seems to be the mover in such kinetic gravity wheels because we can reverse the weight ratios on the wheel.

examples of the Mintos wheel with liquid Hexane, heat and gravity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fUlKBH1sY8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs_OtCsDJoY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ-zeRCUicw

there are better liquids that can be used to increase efficiency and better remodeling of the Mintos that would also work out a lot of bugs.

mythbusters played around with mintos wheel and they didn't quite get it right and failed to demonstrate the proper expansion characteristics
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: Cloxxki on October 16, 2009, 10:52:27 PM
Writing a PM to a fellow user just now, I am re-living the hunch I've had before.
If an object has speed, you should not waste is, but turn into height in the most efficient manner.

Wheels roll nicely, and offer smooth direction changes, but circular tracks waste time, and time is power, right?
A quick calc seems to tell me that a 90 degree pendulum swing with L=5m, (g supposed as 10m/s/s), takes 1.11s. Up, and the same down. At any angle actually, it's it's height and time I'm after.
If at the bottom of the cycle, in stead of going along the wheel/pendulum, our weight hits a perfectly elastical bump, it can reach the same height in 1.0s. An efficient inside track or such a bump seems like a more efficient way to travel on the upswing, as it can sooner provide gravity energy to the system again. Being there a fraction of a second quicker, also seems to imply that overbalance can be achieved.

My other idea is to try and tap into gravity in small height increments, adding velocity each time, and then turning it all being into height in one go.
From standstill gliding 5m down > 10m/s horizontal
Another 5m freefall down > 20m/s. This might be a challenge to acutally convert and harness.
20m/s horizontal offers 20m vertical when converted in once. Right?

If there is no OU in one of these approaches, I don't see where it would be, what gravity is concerned. All things with leverage have been tried. I sense it's in velocity/time/height, exploiting free fall's 7 mile boots.
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on October 17, 2009, 08:31:28 PM

     Hi Onthecuttingedge!

  When I am using the "flow" word,I have not in mind an additional flowing liquid ,as in Mintos-type wheels.
  For me , flow~fall,so instead a liquid flow,we can imagine a solid state "flow".
  The flow term,is used as a metaphor,a figure of speech in which term is transferred to something it does not literally apply to.

  This is why,I said the the "wheel must flow",as a single spare part...if you like,the fall/flow is this time inside,not outside as in a fluidic wheel.

           All the best! / Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on October 21, 2009, 08:43:27 PM

    ....can be a "relative" of a wave power station,on the beach,in all his amazing simplicity:

             - a wave capture chamber
             -an oscillating water column

       All that we need is a"design translation"....capture "chamber" and oscillating "column" as a single spare part.

            Best wishes! / Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on October 22, 2009, 08:37:02 PM

   .....has,as a main "actor" (symbol),a full up-down pendular fall in gravity.

        The down-stroke of a pendulum in gravity,has some similarities with the incoming tidal waves...in a certain manner,can be considered a real gravity wave.

        The term "wheel" is a vague,not clearly word :for a fish (body-tail),the tail is the prime mover.

         For a possible gravity power collector,as a likeness of a sea-shore wave power station,we are concerned about the big waves,not ripples( see "Wheel vs. lever" topic)

                  All the best! / Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on October 22, 2009, 09:32:45 PM
   .....has,as a main "actor" (symbol),a full up-down pendular fall in gravity.

        The down-stroke of a pendulum in gravity,has some similarities with the incoming tidal waves...in a certain manner,can be considered a real gravity wave.

        The term "wheel" is a vague,not clearly word :for a fish (body-tail),the tail is the prime mover.

         For a possible gravity power collector,as a likeness of a sea-shore wave power station,we are concerned about the big waves,not ripples( see "Wheel vs. lever" topic)

                  All the best! / Alex

technically Gravity isn't a wave, it is a lensing, the interaction of this lensing moving across a surface causes longitudinal waves with large moving bodies.

the term gravity wave is sort of a misnomer.
Gravity does not have a dipole field like EMF and doesn't form sine waves like EMF, instead any sine wave activity is a direct result of longitudinal waves from the monopole tensor(Gravity) field moving across and interacting body.

these monopole tensor fields or Gravity can have variable lensing densities that causes Gravity to be stronger in one area rather than another due to the density of the interacting mass densities spread out across a planetary body.

did you know that Mt. Everest is so big that it actually has its own Gravitational field, it can mis-align a plumbob by up to 3mm off dead center if placed at the base of the mountain.
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on October 23, 2009, 08:03:26 PM

      Hi Onthecuttingedge!

  Mark Twain said that a text is a frame between two mental words:what the sender  sees vs. what the people can or like to see.

  This is the case here.....we can't detect the gravitational waves,but we can "pack" the gravity fall,as a powerful wave of energy,as on the sea-shore in a wave power plant.

  Then we can temporarely collect this power
 in a flywheel,and play it.

  All that we need,to obtain a self energetic system,is to play in such a manner this power,so to get a self pulsatory vortex-contravortex,with capabilities for a serviceable output.
 
  Anyway,some designs are more clearly and fully expressive on my web site...than a plenty of words.

       All the best! / Alex

     
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on October 23, 2009, 09:27:11 PM
Hi Alex.

Do you have a link to the work on your website?

Thanks.
Jerry
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on October 24, 2009, 04:29:22 PM

   Hi Jerry!

  Try a search with the key -word "Stellarotor" on net,or simply :     www.geocities.com/iacob_alex   

    All the best! / Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on October 24, 2009, 08:21:03 PM

.....is a general idea,a suggestion for a possible course of action to achieve a gravity power collector( the "classic" PM ).

     It's a simple quickly made drawing,with no more or no less details ("spare parts")...

     Gravity free fall (v=g*t) is not like a river (v=constant).

     Gravity free fall has more similarities with a strong incoming wave to the beach (or a cascade...),and so with the simplified design of  a wave power plant (capture element and oscillating element).

     A  pendulum free fall in gravity is like an incoming wave to the sea-side.

     A full up-down pendular fall in gravity is even more...

     Maybe,it's conceivable an extreme simplicity,as an electric L-C oscillator....?!

        All the best! / Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on October 24, 2009, 10:48:07 PM
Hi Alex.

Here is my altered simple Gravity Map, it shows differences in Gravitational Density for an example only. lensing and spokes.

if you looked at this as a whole the topicgraphical gravity would extend into space propagating outwardly into infinity through Gravitational lensing which forms shell like Gravity bubbles around the Earth, the different densities in gravitational structure would form spoke like patterns topicgraphically.

Gravity forms no waves, the waves of the ocean are formed when the body of water tries to achieve a relaxed state from being lensed by a gravitational object which only pulls on other bodies.
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on October 25, 2009, 06:38:32 PM

      Hi Jerry!

  Sorry,here is a misunderstanting...

  I know about the theory of possible gravitational waves,but this kind of quanta are so small,that we can't detect them...so we have no proof.It's out of question to use them...

  If you have not a naturally "tool",you can imagine and build it.

  The quantum theory says that energy is discharged not continuously,but in discrete units (quanta)...this can be valuable not only for electrons,at the big scale of Cosmos.

  Here is the case:let's remind that energy not only travels in quanta...but can be used as quanta,only.

  Then , let's play quanta for gravity,with the help of pendulum!

  A pendulum swing(down-up sequence),is as a reflecting,throw back of a wave on the beach (or of rays of light on a mirror surface,if you like).

  For the general movement,energy the reflection is the most comprehensive phenomenon.

  A pendular up-down free fall motion,can be a suitable "copy" of "quanta packing" of gravitational energy as waves.

  So,simply we have gravity waves,so easy ...and we can play them as we like.

  Maybe,to achieve a PM in reality,we must take into account the universal quantic principle,in some way...

       All the best! / Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on October 26, 2009, 02:23:35 AM
      Hi Jerry!

  Sorry,here is a misunderstanting...

  I know about the theory of possible gravitational waves,but this kind of quanta are so small,that we can't detect them...so we have no proof.It's out of question to use them...

  If you have not a naturally "tool",you can imagine and build it.

  The quantum theory says that energy is discharged not continuously,but in discrete units (quanta)...this can be valuable not only for electrons,at the big scale of Cosmos.

  Here is the case:let's remind that energy not only travels in quanta...but can be used as quanta,only.

  Then , let's play quanta for gravity,with the help of pendulum!

  A pendulum swing(down-up sequence),is as a reflecting,throw back of a wave on the beach (or of rays of light on a mirror surface,if you like).

  For the general movement,energy the reflection is the most comprehensive phenomenon.

  A pendular up-down free fall motion,can be a suitable "copy" of "quanta packing" of gravitational energy as waves.

  So,simply we have gravity waves,so easy ...and we can play them as we like.

  Maybe,to achieve a PM in reality,we must take into account the universal quantic principle,in some way...

       All the best! / Alex

Hi Alex.

If you believe in Gravity waves then I'll support you on it. so what is next?

Jerry 8)
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on October 26, 2009, 07:27:29 PM

    Hi Jerry !

What can I say more,to be explicitly?

The path of words,theory is so long.

The straight and short way is the experiment.

We have some drawings,for the moment.

We have not tests,up until this time...

    All the best! / Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on November 03, 2009, 07:54:45 PM

     ....can open an interesting question.

         If the gravity free fall ,has some similarities with a strong incoming wave to the beach,we can have an equivalent design ,for a possible PM: the wave power plant (captor+ oscillating "column").

         If the gravity free fall is exactly as a water cascade ( a continuous fluid flow with an ever increasing velocity) ,then what can be an efficient,adequate design to collect the gravity/ via cascade/ power,so to aplly this to a possible PM ( "closed" solid state "flow" )?!

            All the best! / Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on November 04, 2009, 07:37:15 PM

   .....can open the next questions:

         -how can be a "wheel",or something like this,that "charges" adequately the free fall of a high water cascade?!

         -if we have it,can this be a suggestion for a possible PM?!

                 All the best! / Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on November 04, 2009, 08:57:32 PM
a Gravity to mechanical function doesn't need to be a wheel, see the Mercury Fountain on You-tube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1FnF5zUPEE

Mercury has a higher capillary gap and is thermal pressure sensitive so that such a fountain can work on a perpetual basis so long as the Mercury remains in its liquid state, the hotter the day the faster the Mercury flows.

this fundamental action can be used to make a Liquid fall forever or at least a very long time, so long as the Mercury is safely respected it is pretty safe.

Mercury will drive a wheel with more torque than Water in a water wheel generator type system.

follow these guide lines if you want to be successful in making a Gravity assisted device to produce electricity.

the thermal pressure helps the Mercury push itself out of the Capillary tube so that it breaks free from its surface capillary bond, it will continually flow until its elasticity becomes to solid.

these functions work, we should stick with what works.

Gravity is a carrier of kinetic energy, it doesn't contain any real energy other than what is stored, these two extra functions can be used to put additional energy back into Gravity for mechanical use.

convert; Capillary & Thermal Pressure to mechanical Gravitational Kinetic energy.(recycling itself in the process).

Jerry 8)
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on November 04, 2009, 09:20:42 PM
it would work something like this.
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: mscoffman on November 05, 2009, 04:08:24 PM
a Gravity to mechanical function doesn't need to be a wheel, see the Mercury Fountain on You-tube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1FnF5zUPEE


Mercury liquid metal is 13 times denser than water. It's a lot of fun to
think about how to substitute mercury for water in a buoyancy machines.
The forces though would really build up, though, to potentially
dangerous levels. Since mercury vaporises at room temperature
it really is a forgiveless experimental medium.

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on November 05, 2009, 06:35:48 PM
Mercury liquid metal is 13 times denser than water. It's a lot of fun to
think about how to substitute mercury for water in a buoyancy machines.
The forces though would really build up, though, to potentially
dangerous levels. Since mercury vaporises at room temperature
it really is a forgiveless experimental medium.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Hi Mark.

you can use the same technique for water in the diagram I showed but water won't be as efficient as mercury because of the boiling point differences.

if you could lower the boiling point of water then the efficiency will increase.

the lower boiling point helps the medium to break the Capillary bond through thermal pressure. pretty simple thermodynamics.

Jerry 8)
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on November 10, 2009, 01:57:21 PM

    .....has an applicable interpretation at   http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Gravity_Motors   ..."for a rotary device to *work*,is to achieve a full 360 rotation,with acceleration between each complete turn".

         This viewpoint counts upon a "full 360 rotation,with acceleration".

         Simply,a full up-down fall in gravity,of a pendulum ( fulcrum-rod-bob) ,achieves a 180 rotation,with accelearation  ...we have it so easy.

         The next,and only step,is to keep going this motion to a full 360 rotation,with acceleration...nothing more.

         So,let's think in a "pendular manner"...

              All the best! / Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on January 07, 2011, 09:33:11 PM

  .....in a short,obvious expression :the "wheel" is in fact a variable lever.

      The plain,clear public demonstration you can find on  youtube.com   with "Cirque du Soleil" (the show with one man rotating a huge lever...).Enjoy it...

      If you replace the performer with a simple movable joint mass,and the lever is big...we can hope about the "self".

           All the best! / Alex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept
Post by: iacob alex on August 09, 2015, 08:31:55 PM
.....resumes in a simplified symbol , as a pendulum with just barely enough energy for a full swing :
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendulum_(mathematics)#/media/File:Pendulum_190deg.gif (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendulum_(mathematics)#/media/File:Pendulum_190deg.gif)
To have "enough energy" , we need an in-out storage ( the best one is inertia...) and a variable counterweighted pendulum ("minimal wheel") , so to play oscillatory leverage...or "wavering gravity ".
As a prime line , take a look at : www.geocities.ws/iacob_alex/Some_Drafts/text028.JPG (http://www.geocities.ws/iacob_alex/Some_Drafts/text028.JPG)
      Al_ex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on August 21, 2015, 11:24:29 AM
.....this time as a continuous unbalanced ( swinging or rotating ) " modified " weighting scale ( variable/oscillatory leverage ) with a starting point...somewhere at :
     www.isasc.org/Tutorial/Scale-Types.html
     Al_ex
Title: Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
Post by: iacob alex on October 13, 2016, 01:01:56 PM
.....visiting a lot of art proposals , at :
     https://www.shutterstock.com/da/search/perpetuum+mobile
     Take them as some representations , intended for elucidation of your own...
     Al_ex