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### Author Topic: Gravity "wheel" concept...  (Read 50361 times)

#### DrWhat

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##### Re: Gravity wheel concept...
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2007, 12:29:56 PM »
Check out this site: what a load of "hoo-hah".com

I'm ready to believe, but I don't have enough evidence before me!

#### iacob alex

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##### Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2007, 10:22:52 AM »

The main problem of a possible gravity powered device turns around the torque difference...we know that.

The real performance is to put this idea into life,to realize something alike,equivalent to  a continuous self pendular fall in the gravity field/flow.
The key word is "fall"...so,let it fall !
The overall design can be to create excess torque on one side ,only...to imagine a most simple asymmetrical situation,where the same identical(it can be a particular case...)  masses are closer to the fulcrum/bearing when rising,than they are when falling.
This time the key word is "self-fall".
As Bessler said:a SINGLE pair of a simple arrangement  of  weights(masses...) and lever arms.Here we have,an invitation to apply,again and again the so old leverage principle,but not to a weighting /quasi static manner. NOTHING MORE!
Gravity can be a motionless  ,inactive phenomenon  (no game with inertia)   or a full of life one/fall(a real play with inertia).

All the Bests!  /  Alex

#### iacob alex

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##### Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2007, 10:33:53 AM »

A  wheel with two spokes only,is a  "wheel"  also...but ,commonly,we call it a lever.

All  the  Bests!   /   Alex

#### hansvonlieven

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##### Re: Gravity wheel concept...
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2007, 08:51:28 PM »
Another gravity devicy powering a car. Made in China,

Working Prototype
http://www.energyfromair.com/beijing/Taiwan.files/frame.htm

188 Horse Power, 225Km/Hour, Gravitational Energy Car
http://www.energyfromair.com/beijing/Taiwan.files/frame.htm

This is the crap that Lawrence Tseung is pushing around. For some more on this shit have a look at his "Lead Out Theory" thread here on this forum.

Hans von Lieven

#### helmut

• Hero Member
• Posts: 723
##### Re: Gravity wheel concept...
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2007, 12:49:39 AM »
Another gravity devicy powering a car. Made in China,

Working Prototype
http://www.energyfromair.com/beijing/Taiwan.files/frame.htm

188 Horse Power, 225Km/Hour, Gravitational Energy Car
http://www.energyfromair.com/beijing/Taiwan.files/frame.htm

This is the crap that Lawrence Tseung is pushing around. For some more on this shit have a look at his "Lead Out Theory" thread here on this forum.

Hans von Lieven

Thanx Hans
This is the link i was searching vor,because of the Gravity circuit in a waterpipe with bubbles and one way valves

helmut

#### iacob alex

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##### Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2007, 08:51:03 AM »

Hi  P.Motion!
It's seems that the real problem of the so desired gravity powered device is not a geometrical design "tracery",so let's say mechanical statics,but a real mechanical dynamics one.
If  so,the understanndig moves into active gravity(at all times) and active inertia(sometimes) regarding mechanical dynamics.
The dynamic's comprehension,turns around  the words: energetic,vigurous,active,alive,powerful,impulsive...and others.
From time to time,the "painting" words,can be the first step to an idea,and more to a first line,an elementary design.

Anyway,the experiments can enlighten us in an easy manner.

All the Bests!  /  Alex

#### iacob alex

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##### Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2007, 01:57:24 PM »

....can  "sparkle" in our minds ,in some way,in a rainy,pluvial day ...as we are living,are immersed in a huge,massive continuous flow of energy.
If we have a sea-saw arrangement,the beam will tip over in the direction of the stronger torque.
If we can imagine something like this,with an unequal,nonstop torque loading ,where the beam will tip down again and again...it can be a very simple thing,but a very important fact.
The overall design is to create excess  torque on one side only,to imagine a most simple assymetrical situation where the same/identical weights are closer to the fulcrum when rising,than they are when falling.
It seems that we must think this time in the terms of a falling torque,due to a gravity real flow...

All the Bests!/  Alex

#### yamalaris

• Newbie
• Posts: 10
##### Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2007, 01:00:54 AM »

"my machine runs by the flight of the weights through the air"
Bessler.

#### fletcher

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• Posts: 399
##### Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2007, 08:09:15 PM »

"my machine runs by the flight of the weights through the air"
Bessler.

@ Yamalaris - could you give the source of this quote i.e. where did you find it, & could you post up the link - thanks in advance

#### iacob alex

• Hero Member
• Posts: 1240
##### Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2007, 08:55:56 PM »

Hi!

I suposse that Bessler,as a man with a great experience,made a deep notice:  the "air" is a certain property of the space,that we call it...inertia.Or,if you like the "next/underground *air* ",that is responsable for constant velocity/impetus and equilibrium.A kind of "wonder fulcrum"  ,or constant impetus/velocity support,fulcrum.
So,maybe Bessler played inertia...
All the Bests!  /  Alex

#### iacob alex

• Hero Member
• Posts: 1240
##### Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2007, 03:02:06 AM »

Hi PM!
In my opinion,the main problem is not mathematics(do we really know the mathematic of the Universe?) but the trial,essay,attempt,experiment with our design,device,mechanism.
Experience is one thing you can't  get on paper,but with a long and by chance practice.
So,nothing is a waste of time if you use the experience to find a solution to an apparently unsolvable problem.
I am sorry,that for the present time ,I am out of this masterful way to discover the future...later,maybe if "tempora" helps me.
Anyway,I wish you success.

All the Bests!  /  Alex

#### bigface

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• Posts: 17
##### Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2007, 04:02:33 AM »
There is no such thing as perpetual motion with a gravity wheel or any mechanical system, Newton's first law a object in motion stays in motion only if there are no forces opposing the motion, since there is always friction the wheel will ALWAYS slow down.

#### AB Hammer

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##### Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2007, 08:21:44 PM »
LOL Bigface

You don't have no idea, do you.  This is just a barrier to beet. Just like flight, that was said could not be done eather. For every statement said that it can't be done, some one, some where is doing it. SO be prepaired to eat crow. For your dinner is flying in.

#### iacob alex

• Hero Member
• Posts: 1240
##### Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2007, 09:41:35 AM »
...can be set out(and accomplished mainly,due to a minimal friction),in a short and far away commentary as a "self" tumbling "phantom"(maybe ,for the present time only...) that rolls on a flat,horizontal surface.
I figure out this shape,profile as a self rotating& flapping pendular system.
That's my bet in this longtime PM "lottery",or gravity power device questioning.
Face to something unknown,the first rendezvous is made occasionally by perception.

All the Bests!  /  Alex

#### iacob alex

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• Posts: 1240
##### Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2007, 05:38:52 AM »

Hi PM!

Maybe,I have not the fit word to describe the motion intended by my designs..

A warped pendular motion,that is alike the first trajectory of a vortex can be an approuch,a modus operandi,but not as a swinging,balancing,to and fro goings on...but as an continuous one way only rotating mobility.
In a way, as you said, is a mimic of a pendulum .
The gravity flow is the second stage,on the ever first one:inertia.
As we know,the gravity field is irrotational..but with the "help"  of the inertia,we can get the so much wished for existence of vortex,counterflow of the basic basin of energy.
In fact,it is possible that gravity is a partner only...and the energy comes from the "deeps" of the space,the gravity fall playing as a gate only.
All the problem seems to me how to keep going this procedure...

All the Bests!  /  Alex