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Title: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 04, 2012, 09:14:30 AM
Dear Friends
I name this device after my name as Ghazanfar Ali Generator and in short AliGen. And start this new thread. I designed this device based upon the Nikola Tesla's current transformer. The credit goes to him. Szili also worked on the same priniciple. The main difference in my device is the use of C2 capacitor with an initial charge instead of a battery source, thus making the device almost a self running device. I started designing the circuit with the simulation design in ORCAD and Multisim 11. And then made the hardware which gave me satisfied results. at the moment as I am away from my home station where my hardware is placed in my lab, I can share my simulations with you guys. My previous posts from the Topic under Solid State OU Devices "Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze (http://www.overunity.com/../../7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg311469/#msg311469)" must be read in continuation with this new thread. Or if someone can do me a favour by copy pasting my previous posts over here. I shall be grateful.
I hereby declare this device as a free energy device and free for all to work over it, but do support me with your donations, and ideas as I belong to a third world country where a person like me has ingenuity of mind to innovate but no financial support of any kind to implement my ideas. This is the simplest device I made but I have more ideas.I wish to work with someone and also looking for a good job in some good country where I can flourish my innovative thoughts. Please do consider me if I am fit for you in some field of work.
This device is totally my own idea after careful reading of oscillation theory and has not been copied from anyone's schematic. Please feel free to write me your comments and queries. I am here to answer. The device is not an impossible device. Make it yourself and watch the bulb glows. I am attaching my schematics and simulation files. But please do acknowledge it as "Ghazanfar Ali Generator" and "AliGen" in short.
Kind Regards
Ghazanfar Ali
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 04, 2012, 09:20:16 AM
And here is the actual simulation which is close to my hardware's representation. How I made the bulb glow. My previous schematic with bulb was glowing coz it was using 4700F C2 which is practically impossible to design. I have rectified the fault and now here is the new schematic with the bulbs. The overall load should be 150 Ohms or greater to keep the device in oscillating state.
Best of Luck
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: broli on February 04, 2012, 10:28:17 AM
Much better, at least now it's more organized.
Do you have an estimate of when you'll put the video online?
The parts I ordered might take a week or two to arrive so some patience is needed.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 04, 2012, 10:33:00 AM
In three weeks I'll be back to my city.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: duff on February 04, 2012, 11:00:29 AM
Ali,

On the bench, are you seeing the currents indicated in the simulations?

What size wiring are you using from the tank circuit to the IRFPs and to the load?

Thanks
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: gyulasun on February 04, 2012, 11:23:52 AM
Hi Ali,

Just from memory, could you describe the toroidal core mechanical sizes or material type if it is known?  MAybe you 'scavinged' it from old PC power supplies? 
Thanks for your earlier answer to my question on the device using Earth's magnetic field, I understand it of course :)

Gyula
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: blocki on February 04, 2012, 12:37:54 PM
Hi guys,

So, maybe it is that simple! That would be nice :)

I made a simple schematic, I hope I see it right.

Greetings, blocki

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: broli on February 04, 2012, 12:40:39 PM
Hi guys,

So, maybe it is that simple! That would be nice :)

I made a simple schematic, I hope I see it right.

Greetings, blocki

Looks right to me.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 04, 2012, 03:29:37 PM
I started designing the circuit with the simulation design in ORCAD and Multisim 11.

Ali,

Could you please upload your working ORCAD files?

Thanks,
.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 04, 2012, 08:47:15 PM
@All
The wire is SWG18 to IRFPs and the load.
Toroid is approx three inch in outer diameter with 1.75 inch inner diameter.
I will upload the ORCAD files soon.
Regards
Ghazanfar
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on February 04, 2012, 10:29:27 PM
Most important question : why IRFP260 ? what is so special about this mosfet ? I tried IRFP264 and it seems also work. With what feature of those mosfets is related the effect seen in simulation ?
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: iflewmyown on February 04, 2012, 10:43:54 PM
@forest (http://www.overunity.com/profile/forest.6379/)[/color][/b]


I used the 260's because they were already in my tool box. I would have tried anything I had that was close...
Garry
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Mannix on February 04, 2012, 10:57:19 PM
It seem to not matter what mosfet  I used 264's because I have lots of them ..I am about to build this even though I can only think "simulation error "
 
 Poynt has mentioned that the inductor needs resistance to be real ..if so then that could explain it
 
 I have enclosed a sim which is more like what I will build . r2 value is critical  but if you switch the drive off and on at different times with the a key you might find it  interesting .
 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Khwartz on February 04, 2012, 10:59:19 PM
@Ghazanfar Ali

Hi Ali! Nice that you made a specific thread for your device :)

I just would like to share you my definition of a genius: "the one who able to produce with minimum of means the greatest effect expected that nobody else was able to achieve before"; think to that, it could concern you  ;)

Regards.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Khwartz on February 04, 2012, 11:06:49 PM
Hi guys,

So, maybe it is that simple! That would be nice :)

I made a simple schematic, I hope I see it right.

Greetings, blocki
Hi blocki!

Is that a pain-cake coil on the schematic? and how to design a coil with this specific precise impedance value? or checking that we have really obtain that value? only with special impedance-meters or signal generator to find the frequency resonance with a specific cap? :-\
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: broli on February 04, 2012, 11:35:22 PM
Looks right to me.

Actually I just noticed that your LC tank is not using a bipolar/nonpolar capacitor. It could blow up :p.

It seem to not matter what mosfet  I used 264's because I have lots of them ..I am about to build this even though I can only think "simulation error "

 My hunch says so too and I trust Ali that he had it working on the bench either way we'll soon find out the truth ;).
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: e2matrix on February 04, 2012, 11:45:11 PM
It seem to not matter what mosfet  I used 264's because I have lots of them ..I am about to build this even though I can only think "simulation error "
 
 Poynt has mentioned that the inductor needs resistance to be real ..if so then that could explain it
 
 I have enclosed a sim which is more like what I will build . r2 value is critical  but if you switch the drive off and on at different times with the a key you might find it  interesting .
Mannix thanks for your input here and good luck with the test.  I think the zip file you uploaded has been corrupted though.  I downloaded it 3 times now and it's saying it has an error it the packed file.  I also tried extracting with a couple different programs like WinRAR and all report an error or corruption.   Would you please re-upload it?  Tnx.
I can't imagine how great it would be if this really was this simple to pull in some extra energy with a circuit so easy to build.  Even if it needs some fine tuning it would be awesome to have it this simple.  Good luck everyone.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Mannix on February 04, 2012, 11:54:50 PM
Mannix thanks for your input here and good luck with the test.  I think the zip file you uploaded has been corrupted though.  I downloaded it 3 times now and it's saying it has an error it the packed file.  I also tried extracting with a couple different programs like WinRAR and all report an error or corruption.   Would you please re-upload it?  Tnx.
I can't imagine how great it would be if this really was this simple to pull in some extra energy with a circuit so easy to build.  Even if it needs some fine tuning it would be awesome to have it this simple.  Good luck everyone.

I have tested the download and it works ..And I had trouble with a few earlier ones . There is something amiss with this site in some way .

I dont know what it is but I here it is again in rar format
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: e2matrix on February 05, 2012, 12:08:45 AM
Thanks Mannix.  I agree something is blowing out when it gets here on the site.  I get a lot of errors lately when I post that indicate the forum database is not stable.  That RAR version seems fine.    OOPS I spoke too soon that RAR is still giving me a problem once I try to extract it.  It gets to 99% and says disk read error.  I know my disk is fine.  Darn.  I wonder if Stefan's upload area is full or having trouble too. 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: e2matrix on February 05, 2012, 12:31:55 AM
Tried that file on a completely different computer just to be sure nothing was acting up on that computer and downloaded again from the other computer - still corrupted.  Anyone else get a good copy? 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: broli on February 05, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Tried that file on a completely different computer just to be sure nothing was acting up on that computer and downloaded again from the other computer - still corrupted.  Anyone else get a good copy?

Works fine here, anyway here's an alternate:

http://www.mediafire.com/?oxvxpha5dsh6qp6
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: JJUK on February 05, 2012, 12:40:55 AM
Regarding the problem downloading the compressed files, I had the same issue with IE9 and Chrome. It was suggested that I try cURL. I got as far as investigating cURL and then thought about changing to the browser on my WebOS HP Touchpad. That solved the problem. If I get a chance tomorrow I'll share all the Multisim .ms11 files from SkyDrive which will allow those having trouble to download more easily and join in. In the mean time it might be worth trying Firefox, Safari or a non-Windows based device if you have one.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: e2matrix on February 05, 2012, 12:54:46 AM
Thanks broli,  your copy worked.  Cheers
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: hartiberlin on February 05, 2012, 01:31:23 AM
Hi Ali,
so can you please upload some real pictures of your device please ?
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Qwert on February 05, 2012, 01:36:12 AM
 
@Ghazanfar_Ali
1. What kind of support you expect?
2. Where to transfer the eventual funds to support you? Account number(s)? Address?
3. Maybe you qualify for the prize, see the link:

http://www.overunity.com/overunity-prize/
 

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Mannix on February 05, 2012, 02:14:06 AM
Ali,

I would  assure you of  generous donations from most people here .................If the real light can be made to stay lit ...even if its a bit dimm.
Even 5 watts  would be a miracle.

back to work!





 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: 27Bubba on February 05, 2012, 03:31:23 AM
Hi to All here. I'm trying to understand Ali's device and few thing are not clear for me. Always been interested in electronics but life got in the way of doing it. So after I retired I decided to give a go. First other than VOM and ampere meter I don't have any fancy tool in my shop nor the knowledge how to use it... Can read schematic enough to get me in trouble ;D.
I attached schematic created by Ali and modified by Broli that I marked with areas that not clear/confusing to me. Could somebody kindly take look at it and explain in simple terms what I'm looking at?

One question I have where the "antenna" connect to?
Noticed two areas marked "L1" I presume one of them is coil and the other light bulb?
One capacitor (the smaller one) the voltage value is missing, is it not important?

Forgot to ask, Did I got the Mofset labelled OK?
Thanks..
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: e2matrix on February 05, 2012, 07:04:27 AM
@Ghazanfar_Ali  I think you will find Dr. Steven Jones (PhysicsProf here I believe) who is a former University physics prof. has a reward offered right now of some gold and / or silver coins (real $$ value) for any device that can meet some fairly simple overunity requirements.  You can find info here and a couple other energy forums if you look around.  It does have to meet some minimum requirements and the intent is to keep it open source so all people can benefit if I recall correctly. 

27Bubba I think I can answer at least one question with reasonable certainty.  The two connection points on the left of the diagram are where you would hook up a signal generator or square wave signal input of some sort.  As far as the L1 etc.  One is a coil but the other ones are Light bulbs which he simply abbreviated as L1, L2 and L3 rather than Light or Load 1 etc.  It may have been clearer to label them as resistances or loads.  But it seems clear to me based on the description that is what he intended.  Not sure about any antenna but I see a ground symbol in blue at the bottom if that is what you are referring to.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Groundloop on February 05, 2012, 07:56:47 AM
Hi to All here. I'm trying to understand Ali's device and few thing are not clear for me. Always been interested in electronics but life got in the way of doing it. So after I retired I decided to give a go. First other than VOM and ampere meter I don't have any fancy tool in my shop nor the knowledge how to use it... Can read schematic enough to get me in trouble ;D.
I attached schematic created by Ali and modified by Broli that I marked with areas that not clear/confusing to me. Could somebody kindly take look at it and explain in simple terms what I'm looking at?

One question I have where the "antenna" connect to?
Noticed two areas marked "L1" I presume one of them is coil and the other light bulb?
One capacitor (the smaller one) the voltage value is missing, is it not important?

Forgot to ask, Did I got the Mofset labelled OK?
Thanks..

@27Bubba,

No, you labeled the mosfet wrong. Attached is the IRFP260 data sheet that shows the correct pin configuration.

What is described in the Ali circuit is a voltage boost converter. The unloaded resonant frequency of the coil and capacitor
is approx. 2KHz. The 1mS / 0,5mS indicate that the function generator input is 1KHz. What is missing in the
simulation is the power input. The power input is over the 4700uF/50V electrolytic capacitor. Attached is a redraw
of the proposed circuit.

GL.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: duff on February 05, 2012, 08:23:29 AM
@27Bubba,

No, you labeled the mosfet wrong. Attached is the IRFP260 data sheet that shows the correct pin configuration.

What is described in the Ali circuit is a voltage boost converter. The resonant frequency of the coil and capacitor
is approx. 2KHz. The 1mS / 0,5mS also indicate that the function generator input is 2KHz. What is missing in the
simulation is the power input. The power input is over the 4700uF/50V electrolytic capacitor. Attached is a redraw
of the proposed circuit.

GL.

GL,

The 555 (or function generator) is running at 1KHz,  period is 1ms with .5ms on time.

As you say the tank is resonant at 2KHz but oddly the oscillations are at 1KHz

Included a scope shot from  v1_2.ms11 .
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Groundloop on February 05, 2012, 08:31:48 AM
GL,

The 555 (or function generator) is running at 1KHz,  period is 1ms with .5ms on time.

As you say the tank is resonant at 2KHz but oddly the oscillations are at 1KHz

Included a scope shot from  v1_2.ms11 .

@Duff,

Thank you for correcting me on that one. You are right, the indicated input is 1KHz.
The unloaded L/C tank circuit will oscillate on approx. 2KHz, but I guess that if you
load the circuit then the resonant frequency will be much lower.

GL.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 05, 2012, 09:45:22 AM
@ All
I will soon make and upload the video as I am away from my home station where I placed the device. This device is very simple one and can be easily replicated.  Its free energy device and it must be free for all to be made and enjoy the gift of nature. I sent these simulation files while I am away from my home so that all of you can check the simulations, and can replicate the device. It really works. One more thing, since this device includes a tank circuit, the value for L1 and C1 can be any, resonant freq of which can be then fed in the form of pulses but here since pulses are at 50% duty cycle, the freq is reduced to half of the f0 of tank cct. This phenomenon is still not understood by me. I have further plans to replace L1 by a caduceus coil as primary and make it a step up current transformer. A few energy will be then fed to pulse generation cct which will make it 100% self running overunity device.

@hartiberlin, @Mannix and Qwert

Thanks for your kind consideration. I will soon send a replica to Dr Stephen Jones for further tests, I require around three weeks time to return to my home station as I am away at a remote station for an official WiMax  installation project assigned to me by my Boss where I am serving presently with a limited salary. I would have sent u these posts a bit late along with my video, but I was so excited that the day I designed the theoretical model I uploaded it. Later the day I made a successfully running hardware, I was sent to this place by my office. :) I understand your excitement and queries too. Plz dont worry, this device will be replicated by so many genius like u soon in their own labs. But do remember me in your prayers.
Kind Regards
Ghazanfar Ali
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 05, 2012, 10:11:29 AM
@All
U can use any n-MOSFET with high switching rate and current drain. IRFP260s were available to me. 264 can also be good. both have internal body zener diode which plays an important role to keep the capacitor C2 charged on every cycle and avoid damping. The energy bounces within the electronic and magnetic walls with a small leakage at ferrite core and in the form of current drain by the load. In fact. It is my three years research work when I was just giving pulses to and toroidal electromagnet and was getting high voltage kick offs on every falling edge of the pulses.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: blocki on February 05, 2012, 11:01:56 AM
Hi blocki!

Is that a pain-cake coil on the schematic? and how to design a coil with this specific precise impedance value? or checking that we have really obtain that value? only with special impedance-meters or signal generator to find the frequency resonance with a specific cap? :-\

Hi Khwartz :)

I only made another drawing of the schematic. I'm going to build it, I need to order the components.
The L1 you will have to design how Ghanzafar_Ali told us.

@27Bubba: Sorry, I made the drawing to fast, the Lamps should be X1,X2,X3 of course.
The points left is the pulse generator :)

@e2matrix: Yes the load should be indicated as resistors maybe. Ali told us in previous posts that the 150 Ohm is significant.

@broli: quote from Ali: C1 I used is non polar. 18uF IPC-7351 Tantalum C2 is 47mF electrolytic cap. 50V


Cheers! blocki
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Qwert on February 05, 2012, 11:31:06 AM
@Ghazanfar Ali
 Attached is a compilation of all your posts out-of-this-thread placed in this Forum, through the date.
 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Mannix on February 05, 2012, 12:28:09 PM
Ok, many tests and adjusting the sim to my actual component vales an I find that, as expected the circuit operation totally relies on supplying some current to the float cap.

It seem to be a normal buck boost converter at this stage.
I am using a powersupply 2" torroid of 1300uh and 4mfd .

lots of heat and 1khz noise in the torroid

I think that the simulation does not account for the wire resistance at all ..as there are heavy pulse currents , wire resistance play a huge part ..The resistance of a wire carrying current increases with itself .. Perhaps this has been solved by Ali?

Ali, I would be happy to have some building tips .But  does seem to be a sim error so far
Confirmation of your build would be helpful as I have not  cleared the bench at this atage .

Just getting the circuit to self run from the dds generator would be amazing but losses within the torroid and wire prevent this as far as i can tell .

All, if you look at the current meters on the sim  even with no load you see many amps ..this is torroid current and seems unaviodable ..along with the Losses

I hope this takes  a different turn with some help from Ali'

Thanks in advance


Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: broli on February 05, 2012, 01:19:45 PM
Ok, many tests and adjusting the sim to my actual component vales an I find that, as expected the circuit operation totally relies on supplying some current to the float cap.

It seem to be a normal buck boost converter at this stage.
I am using a powersupply 2" torroid of 1300uh and 4mfd .

lots of heat and 1khz noise in the torroid

I think that the simulation does not account for the wire resistance at all ..as there are heavy pulse currents , wire resistance play a huge part ..The resistance of a wire carrying current increases with itself .. Perhaps this has been solved by Ali?

Ali, I would be happy to have some building tips .But  does seem to be a sim error so far
Confirmation of your build would be helpful as I have not  cleared the bench at this atage .

Just getting the circuit to self run from the dds generator would be amazing but losses within the torroid and wire prevent this as far as i can tell .

All, if you look at the current meters on the sim  even with no load you see many amps ..this is torroid current and seems unaviodable ..along with the Losses

I hope this takes  a different turn with some help from Ali'

Thanks in advance

I would go for a wire gauge that can handle at least 15+ amps, especially on your toroid. If the wire is too thick to be wound on one toroid more of them can be used in parallel. Which is in line with what Ali claimed to use SWG 18 or ~AWG 16.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: 27Bubba on February 05, 2012, 01:31:32 PM
@ Mannix
"I am using a powersupply 2" torroid of 1300uh and 4mfd ."

Correct me if I'm wrong understanding this, is it the coil value supposed to be 337uH?



Thank you guys for addressing my questions. Somebody must keep me straight! ;D :D



@ e2matrix

"The two connection points on the left of the diagram are where you would hook up a signal generator or square wave signal input of some sort."


So.. If I understand this correctly, in order for it to start/work signal generator must be used?

Thanks

 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: dutchy1966 on February 05, 2012, 01:35:23 PM
Ok, many tests and adjusting the sim to my actual component vales an I find that, as expected the circuit operation totally relies on supplying some current to the float cap.

It seem to be a normal buck boost converter at this stage.
I am using a powersupply 2" torroid of 1300uh and 4mfd .

lots of heat and 1khz noise in the torroid

I think that the simulation does not account for the wire resistance at all ..as there are heavy pulse currents , wire resistance play a huge part ..The resistance of a wire carrying current increases with itself .. Perhaps this has been solved by Ali?

Ali, I would be happy to have some building tips .But  does seem to be a sim error so far
Confirmation of your build would be helpful as I have not  cleared the bench at this atage .

Just getting the circuit to self run from the dds generator would be amazing but losses within the torroid and wire prevent this as far as i can tell .

All, if you look at the current meters on the sim  even with no load you see many amps ..this is torroid current and seems unaviodable ..along with the Losses

I hope this takes  a different turn with some help from Ali'

Thanks in advance
Hi Mannix,
I'm not entirely clear on what you are reporting. You are saying the toroid coil is 1300 uH and a 4 mFd cap. Is this the setup of your tank circuit?
If so at what frequency are you driving it?
Have you precharged the capacitor? Is it running properly without any load?
I remember Ali saying he was using swg18 (1.2 mm) wire to handle the large current swings.
From this link I get that it is advisable to drive the core close to saturation: http://www.rexresearch.com/szili/szili.htm
Maybe you already thought of all of this otherwiae i hope it helps you (us) one way or the other.
Thanx for actual testing keeping us informed.


Regards Dutchy
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: broli on February 05, 2012, 01:41:12 PM
Hi Mannix,
I'm not entirely clear on what you are reporting. You are saying the toroid coil is 1300 uH and a 4 mFd cap. Is this the setup of your tank circuit?
If so at what frequency are you driving it?
Have you precharged the capacitor? Is it running properly without any load?
I remember Ali saying he was using swg18 (1.2 mm) wire to handle the large current swings.
From this link I get that it is advisable to drive the core close to saturation: http://www.rexresearch.com/szili/szili.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/szili/szili.htm)
Maybe you already thought of all of this otherwiae i hope it helps you (us) one way or the other.
Thanx for actual testing keeping us informed.


Regards Dutchy

mFd is another notation for micro farad (uF) not to be confused with milli Farad (mF). Those values indicate his tank's resonance frequency to be around 2.2kHz. So the clock frequency of 1kHz should be appropriate.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 05, 2012, 02:40:02 PM
I think that the simulation does not account for the wire resistance at all ..as there are heavy pulse currents , wire resistance play a huge part ..The resistance of a wire carrying current increases with itself .. Perhaps this has been solved by Ali?

Ali, I would be happy to have some building tips .But  does seem to be a sim error so far

Indeed, wire resistance should always be included when simulations are made with inductors.

I wouldn't call this a "sim error" but I think I know what you mean. In actuality, the simulation is running properly, but something is not being accounted for. That "something" I suspect is an energy injection from the signal generator via the MOSFET input capacitance. That's one reason why the rise time set for the generator seems to affect the effect. It seems the conditions need to be "just right" in order for continuous oscillation to be achieved. I'm waiting for Ali to upload the working ORCAD file so I can confirm my hypothesis.

I can get a similar damped-oscillation effect by replacing the MOSFET with a "switch" with an added "body diode". In this case though, no energy can be imparted to the circuit from the signal generator.

Regarding the resonant tank, I think Ali is already close to optimal. Yes you can use several different combinations of L and C to achieve the same Fo, but the impedances will not be matched. With the present values of 18uF and 337uH, the impedance of each is close to 2 Ohms at 1kHz. This may be an important factor to making it work.

.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: JJUK on February 05, 2012, 04:28:20 PM
For those that are having trouble extracting the Multisim files from the overunity.com zip files, please visit http://tinyurl.com/7pzrv7p
 or https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=50a6467c23823bbd&resid=50A6467C23823BBD!210&parid=50A6467C23823BBD!209. I will endeavour to keep the folder up to date with the latest zip files uploaded to the thread. If there is anything else that people would like me to share from this space then please let me know.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: hartiberlin on February 05, 2012, 04:30:41 PM
That "something" I suspect is an energy injection from the signal generator via the MOSFET input capacitance. That's one reason why the rise time set for the generator seems to affect the effect. It seems the conditions need to be "just right" in order for continuous oscillation to be achieved.

Could be. I had earlier in some other circuits the same problems that the input capacitance of  MOSFETs always puts energy into the circuit.

But at 1 or 2 Khz this should be still a fairly low amount of energy and only in the MilliWatts region and Ali is claiming Watts in his output.

Also what he said:

Quote
both have internal body zener diode which plays an important role to keep the capacitor C2 charged on every cycle and avoid damping.

seems to be very important, as this zener diode gives the LC circuit always a kick.

Ali, what function generator did you use to drive your circuit ?

Also what ferrite core did you use ?
How did you measure the uH value of this ferrite torroidal coil ?

Where did you get this ferrite coil from ?

Looking forward to your video.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 05, 2012, 05:25:51 PM
Could be. I had earlier in some other circuits the same problems that the input capacitance of  MOSFETs always puts energy into the circuit.

But at 1 or 2 Khz this should be still a fairly low amount of energy and only in the MilliWatts region and Ali is claiming Watts in his output.

The frequency is of little consequence regarding how much energy it can impart to the circuit. On the rising edge of the function generator square wave, several tens of amperes can flow to the C2 reservoir capacitor through the MOSFET.

But yes, it seems unlikely that the generator could be supplying a continuous 800W of power. More investigation is necessary.

.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 05, 2012, 06:33:47 PM
@poynt99
As far as 800W output sim file is concerned, dont waste your time on that. It is unstable schematic. Damping occurred after 4 minutes in my case. However schematic of 42 W output is stable. I made it the hardware run for 1 and a half day and the bulb was continuously lighting.
@Stefan
I calculated the L1 using my LRC Meter. I dont beleive in dimensions or number of turns while making inductors coz there are a lot of parameters which have to be catered for. LRC meter is the best choice to measure correct inductance value. I used my Hantek DDS-3x25 Arbitrary waveform generator for my initial run. I was on my way of using a 555 Timer as PWM and a buffer based upon 2N2222A when I was asked to leave for the other station for an official project. Hantek 3x25 gives 3.5V (7Vpp) amplitude. I use Goltek Controller as the core software with it.
Regards
Ghazanfar Ali

 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 05, 2012, 06:42:50 PM
@Qwert
Many thanks for spending your precious time in compiling my previous posts.
Best Regards
Ghazanfar Ali
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Groundloop on February 05, 2012, 07:01:27 PM
Ghazanfar_Ali,

I have started to build this circuit. Got the Ferrite coil and heat sink for the mosfets mounted already.
Next step is finding some mosfets and solder the circuit together.

One question for you, you say that if the load is low then the electrolytic capacitor will charge.
My question is, if I connect the circuit to a 12 volt lead acid battery, then will the battery charge
with no load on the circuit?

Groundloop.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 05, 2012, 07:21:09 PM
@poynt99
As far as 800W output sim file is concerned, dont waste your time on that. It is unstable schematic. Damping occurred after 4 minutes in my case. However schematic of 42 W output is stable. I made it the hardware run for 1 and a half day and the bulb was continuously lighting.

Ali,

I had already switched to the 42W version (i.e. 150 Ohm load), but the oscillation only holds at 200V for about 20ms, then starts falling off. I've tried 150k Ohms for the R1 load and still the oscillation eventually falls off.

We need your working ORCAD files here Ali. ;)

.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: mscoffman on February 05, 2012, 09:47:48 PM
 @Ghazanfar_Ali
I think you should try driving the signal generator into
the led of an opto-isolator, then using a 6VDC battery
to generate the pulses out from the opto-isolator. The reason
is that the output of the signal generator will have some
capacitance to the utility line determined by the generator
itself with potentially high hum voltages. You really have to
 isolate the signal generator lines from ground with a low pass
filter. This is why they often have a circuit link on back the instrument
to separate the chassis ground from the signal ground on high
 quality instruments. But opening that link will not necessarily solve
this problem.


If the pulse are shaped the same you would need to ask
your self why can’t the battery do what the signal generator
did?
 
You always should isolate a signal generator from ground
before using it’s output where isolation maybe critical.
 
 :S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 05, 2012, 10:14:28 PM
@Groundloop
No the 12 V Bty will not be charged if you connect it instead of C2. The minimum driving voltage for the device must not be less than 24 V as an initial charge in C2 whether 150 Ohms load is connected or not. I did not test this situation but my hypothesis says that i may not work in case of 12 V Bty. But u can try.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Groundloop on February 05, 2012, 10:27:02 PM
@Groundloop
No the 12 V Bty will not be charged if you connect it instead of C2. The minimum driving voltage for the device must not be less than 24 V as an initial charge in C2 whether 150 Ohms load is connected or not. I did not test this situation but my hypothesis says that i may not work in case of 12 V Bty. But u can try.

Ghazanfar_Ali,

Thanks for taking time to answer my question.

I have built the circuit now. Did test the circuit on a 12 volt battery and the battery did not charge.
I will try 24 volt also. But first I will build a 555 driver circuit for the mosfets.

GL.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: broli on February 05, 2012, 10:28:36 PM
Ghazanfar_Ali,

Thanks for taking time to answer my question.

I have built the circuit now. Did test the circuit on a 12 volt battery and the battery did not charge.
I will try 24 volt also. But first I will build a 555 driver circuit for the mosfets.

GL.

Can you please share the specs of your circuit, capacitance, inductance, turns, wires used...
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Mannix on February 05, 2012, 11:17:30 PM
I am thinking that if we increase the voltage, the wire resistance may be less significant in the real circuit ..as in the  simulation.

However i will try again as soon as I get 18 uf of hv caps
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: gyulasun on February 06, 2012, 12:45:21 AM
....

Also what he said:

seems to be very important, as this zener diode gives the LC circuit always a kick.

....

Regards, Stefan.

Hi Stefan and Ali,

There is no any Zener diode across the output side of a power MOSFET i.e. between its drain and source electrodes. 

However, there is a so-called body diode between the drain-source electrodes, always in reverse direction with respect to the drain-source needed polarities.  This body diode is unavoidably created in the manufacturing process, see Fig. 1 and Fig. 2 of this paper here:
http://www.ixysgreen.com/Documents/AppNotes/IXAN0061.pdf (http://www.ixysgreen.com/Documents/AppNotes/IXAN0061.pdf) 

This means that if you have a 200V max drain-source voltage rated n-channel MOSFET, the body diode is reverse biased all the way up to 200V as long as the drain gets max 200V positive DC or peak AC with respect to the source electrode. The moment the drain voltage goes negative with respect to the source electrode, the body diode gets forward biased (if the voltage difference gets higher than 0.8-1V of course in the forward direction) so current can flow via the body diode, regardless of the control voltage between the source-gate electrodes.
Of course, if you exceed the max 200V drain-source voltage rating the manufacturer defined for a particular MOSFET type, then the device will gradually start conducting current between its drain-source path, either via the reverse biased body diode or via the drain-source electrodes, bringing the MOSFET gradually or suddenly into a destruction process.

Gyula

PS:  Quote from the link: "The body diode is convenient in circuits that require a path for the reverse drain current
(called “free wheeling current”) such as half-bridge and full-bridge converter circuits in motor control applications".

PS2:  You can "neutralize" the body diode by using an outside diode in series with the drain,  this diode's cathode is connected to the drain electrode and the diode's anode will be the "new" drain electrode,  (use a fast recovery diode with correct reverse voltage and forward current ratings).  Of course this extra diode (if needed at all) increases the MOSFET switch's power loss ( which is the forward bias voltage drop times the forward current).
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 06, 2012, 03:03:52 AM
There is no any Zener diode across the output side of a power MOSFET i.e. between its drain and source electrodes. 

Hi gyula,

Wouldn't you agree that every diode is technically a "zener" diode?

IOW, all diodes have a reverse breakdown voltage, but the difference with zeners is that they are engineered to have a specific (usually a relatively lower) breakdown voltage. And we normally include a series resistance with them to ensure they don't burn up.

I've seen MOSFET symbols with a zener rather than standard diode pictured.

Some MOSFETs are "avalanche rated" meaning they can tolerate a certain degree of avalanching in the body diode (the IRFPG50 is an example).

Regards,
.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Rosemary Ainslie on February 06, 2012, 08:36:41 AM
Hi Point.99

Hi gyula,

Wouldn't you agree that every diode is technically a "zener" diode?9
I'm reasonably certain that this is ENTIRELY INCORRECT.  A zener is designed to switch quickly.  Not all diodes are capable of those speeds.

IOW, all diodes have a reverse breakdown voltage, but the difference with zeners is that they are engineered to have a specific (usually a relatively lower) breakdown voltage. And we normally include a series resistance with them to ensure they don't burn up.
Still not right.  Zener's are as brittle as any diodes.  Their rated voltage tolerance explains the limit of their capabilities.  And each one varies - zener or otherwise.

I've seen MOSFET symbols with a zener rather than standard diode pictured.
Then likely the zener in the body diode is designed to accommodate high switching speeds.

Some MOSFETs are "avalanche rated" meaning they can tolerate a certain degree of avalanching in the body diode (the IRFPG50 is an example).
No.  No MOSFET - least of all an IRFPG50 is DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A DEGREE OF AVALANCHING.  Golly.  Whatever next?  Avalanching is the undesirable product of paralleled transistors.  And that applies to them all. 

Poynty - I wonder if these good people realise your rather unusual methods of power analysis.  It's not entirely topical but it would have some considerable bearing on any evaluations that you apply to their tests.  You really need to make this public - certainly if you're assuming the authority to comment on these experiments. 

Kindest regards,
Rosemary
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Mannix on February 06, 2012, 08:58:26 AM
gee im so glad this thread is about a self runner ...able or not we will see

It astounds me that any body with common sence could claim anything worthwhile without self run being obvious.

Calculation and measurement are fine ....after the FACT






Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Rosemary Ainslie on February 06, 2012, 09:07:57 AM
gee im so glad this thread is about a self runner ...able or not we will see

It astounds me that any body with common sence could claim anything worthwhile without self run being obvious.

Calculation and measurement are fine ....after the FACT

Hi Mannix. 

I'm not sure that over unity and perpetual motion are actually the same thing.  If we're to believe the standard model then the most efficiency that any of us could expect in electric applications would be COP<1 or - at best COP 1.  Not even nuclear energy is expected to 'self run'.  And I do think we're somehow confined to the laws of physics.  The only question is does the electromagnetic interaction comply to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics?  And the evidence is that this may need to be 'rethought'.  Not that anyone on these forums can seriously propose anything - myself included.  But what it does do is allow more and more evidence to be evaluated by our academic experts.  That's always a good thing.  And the evidence is MOUNTING that - indeed - we need to rethink our electromagnetic interaction.

Much needed - all this work that you guys do.  And I think that time will prove it all INVALUABLE.

Regards,
Rosemary

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on February 06, 2012, 11:49:50 AM
Long time ago I posted circuit which worked exceptionally well for driving car ignition coil. I had and still have no way to measure what is going on here but the solution was very simple indeed. Simple avalanche rated mosfet with extremally fast surge protection transil diode 1.5KE400CA bi-directional across D-S plus a varistor. Of course no 555 circuit ! Only fast fall-rise square wave generator on CMOS nand gates.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Mannix on February 06, 2012, 12:28:46 PM
Forest,
I suggest that you use multisim like we are in this thread and see if it self runs. You could share it .
1 thing is for sure . Just because the sim runs does not mean the your circuit will run, but it is a good starting point as this particular circuit seem to make good use of the accumulated energy in the cap.

I made it with different values to suit wah was at hand and the sim ran fine ..the circuit did not

The changes i make to the circuit do reflect in the sim very well ..just not self running as of yet .

I hope there are a few "committed to accuracy" replicators out there as Ali does seem very genuine about it working in practice

I am making  the values in my circuit exacty as Ali's sim now with minimun resistance in the torroid and 9  2uf  250v caps . It sould be done in afew days or so

If it works rose might  write the theory of "self running gizmos made by inspired neanderthals".


 

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 06, 2012, 12:33:51 PM
@ All.

There are energy fields yet to be discovered. A few have been discovered but laws of physics have been failed describing them. Examples are Zem field, Bifield Brown effect as further explored by J L Naudin by working on lifter projects.
U draw a long straight line in space, it will never be a straight line. U see straight towards sun rising from the east, but u dont know that your line of sight is not a straight path to the sun. Gravity has distorted everything in space including time, spatial distance and now even the light. C is no more a constant. E=mC^2 varies in different regions of space if m is kept constant.

You just have to give a resonant push to the atoms of an element i.e the freq at which the atoms vibrate in an element and you will get the energy.
If you are able to find the self resonance point of the ferrite toroid, put it in a tank circuit, pick the value of the C and L in such a way that f0 for LC tank is same as the self resonance of the ferrite toroid, U will get maximum energy. The matter of toroid decomposes on extracting excessive energy. This is NMR. And I think this device works on the same principle.

But there are more powerful energy fields still hidden.

O assembly of jinn and men! If you are able to pass through the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass through; you cannot pass through but with Sultan (The ultimate power / authority).
                                                                                                                                                                                            The Holy Quran,    Chapter 55 "Al-Rahman"
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 06, 2012, 12:44:17 PM
@Mannix
Try making L1 by winding 18SWG at 45 degrees slanted. This creates a spinning effect in the magnetic field of toroid.
Best of Luck.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Rosemary Ainslie on February 06, 2012, 12:58:00 PM
Forest,

If it works rose might  write the theory of "self running gizmos made by inspired neanderthals".
No Forest.  I'd give it a go but it's not neanderthals.  Nothing quite so interesting.  We're all mere mortals.  More's the pity.  But who knows?  I'll put money on it that you guys will get breakthroughs.  Just don't rely on Poynty's math to prove it - or disprove it - is all.

LOL
Kindest regards
Rosie
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: ramset on February 06, 2012, 02:49:55 PM
Mannix
Quote.
 
""  gee im so glad this thread is about a self runner ...able or not we will see

It astounds me that any body with common sence could claim anything worthwhile without self run being obvious.

 

--------------------------
Maybe some Peeps like to do things the hard way??
THX
Chet
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Rosemary Ainslie on February 06, 2012, 02:59:41 PM
Mannix
Quote.
 
""  gee im so glad this thread is about a self runner ...able or not we will see

It astounds me that any body with common sence could claim anything worthwhile without self run being obvious.

 

--------------------------
Maybe some Peeps like to do things the hard way??
THX
Chet
Chet, what do you mean by 'self run'?  That it runs like a perpetual motion machine? 

Rosemary
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: ramset on February 06, 2012, 03:24:03 PM
Rose
If the claim is excess power.... ,accumulate the excess and loop it back to run!!
No math no pencil sharpening no head scratching![maybe even No Batteries].
Probably a lot less arguing?
A profoundly obvious conclusion!!
 
Bliss.............
Thx
Chet
PS
Mr. Ali sounds like a very bright and sincere man...
And yes I believe it can be very simple [OU]
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on February 06, 2012, 03:39:44 PM
I believe it doesn't need to self-run itself. Just a very long ringdown is enough. The essence is that :
 we charge a big capacitor storing initially quite a bit of energy and we use a circuit close to superconducting to sustain oscillations in tank as long as possible. Compare that to discharge of capacitor directly into load with immedate killing the dipole. The only thing missing (beside obvious parts like DC-DC converter to charge capacitor)is "special coil" or transformer which doesn't change impedance of primary when secondary is loaded.
Do you agree ? we need something which can copy the energy circulating in primary tank circuit into secondary without  depleting primary.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: gyulasun on February 06, 2012, 03:42:48 PM
 Hi poynt99,

Of course any normal diode will have a „Zener-like” breakdown voltage in the reverse direction  I agree  but  we cannot strictly compare the behavior of a normal diode beyond its reverse breakdown voltage limit  to that of a real Zener diode,  the slope or steepness of the increasing reverse  current is normally much higher for Zener diodes by design than for normal diodes in the vicinity of the "knee" area.  I think you also know this.

The reason I wrote to Stefan (and Ali) what I had written is that a 200V type n-channel  MOSFET’s body diode will do practicaly nothing to a 200V positive pulse (the simulation shows the 180 to 200V pulse amplitude), in that situation this diode cannot ’give a kick’ to the LC circuit.  This is why I ’chimed’ in…  lol

Yes, I also have seen MOSFET drawing symbols with Zener instead of normal diode pictured, I disagree with such symbols.

Regarding the „avalanche rated”  MOSFET types  (you mentioned  IRFPG50),  yes they are manufactured on purpose to widthstand a certain current value in the avalanche mode.  It is important to notice here for those not familiar with this, that the avalanche mode can mainly occur when the maximum drain-source voltage rating for a certain type (1000V for the IRFPG50) is exceeded or junction temperature of the device exceeds a certain value (overdissipation starts).  Under 1000V drain-source voltage or under normal operational conditions, it is not a ’feature’ at all.

Gyula
 
Edited to insert the "knee" area.

Hi gyula,

Wouldn't you agree that every diode is technically a "zener" diode?

IOW, all diodes have a reverse breakdown voltage, but the difference with zeners is that they are engineered to have a specific (usually a relatively lower) breakdown voltage. And we normally include a series resistance with them to ensure they don't burn up.

I've seen MOSFET symbols with a zener rather than standard diode pictured.

Some MOSFETs are "avalanche rated" meaning they can tolerate a certain degree of avalanching in the body diode (the IRFPG50 is an example).

Regards,
.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: gyulasun on February 06, 2012, 03:53:00 PM

  A zener is designed to switch quickly.  Not all diodes are capable of those speeds.
Still not right.  Zener's are as brittle as any diodes.  Their rated voltage tolerance explains the limit of their capabilities.  And each one varies - zener or otherwise.
Then likely the zener in the body diode is designed to accommodate high switching speeds. 

 
 Hi Rosemary,

A  Zener diode is not designed to switch quickly if you mean that switching speed (what is generally specified for switching type diodes)  is involved.  Normally, Zener diodes switching speed is not defined because their purpose is to have a very steep voltage-current characteristic in the reverse direction so that the current should change abruptly once the Zener voltage limit is exceeded.

 

Quote
...
No.  No MOSFET - least of all an IRFPG50 is DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A DEGREE OF AVALANCHING.  Golly.  Whatever next?  Avalanching is the undesirable product of paralleled transistors.  And that applies to them all. 
...

 Re on avalanche type MOSFETs:  please read this paper here in Pages 4, 5 and 6,  it is nicely explained:   http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1005.pdf (http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1005.pdf)

Putting it briefly:  Avalanche effect can occur when the maximum drain-source voltage (specified for a MOSFET type)  is exceeded.   And there are certain power MOSFET types where the manufacturer designed the MOSFET to keep the avalanche current under a certain control so that the device should survive an avalanche current value,  once it is started,  where some other MOSFET types would surely self-destruct.
Here is the data sheet for the IRFPG50 power MOSFET, please see the second line in the feature column on the top of the first page, it says: Repetitive Avalanche Rated.
http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irfpg50.pdf (http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irfpg50.pdf)   
This means that  maximum  6 Amper drain-source current is allowed  at a certain pulse width and at a certain junction temperature when the drain source voltage is higher than 1000V, (or  it can be less than 1000V but the avalanche current has already started due to a little overdissipation) see also Figure 11 in the data sheet.
I hope this helps, this is my intention. 

Gyula

PS  Ali,  sorry for such seemingly off topic mails in your thread, hopefully you undertand the goal -from my part at least- is to help the level of this discussion be as scientific as possible.  Looking forward to seeing further news from your great setup.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: broli on February 06, 2012, 04:03:26 PM
@ All.

There are energy fields yet to be discovered. A few have been discovered but laws of physics have been failed describing them. Examples are Zem field, Bifield Brown effect as further explored by J L Naudin by working on lifter projects.
U draw a long straight line in space, it will never be a straight line. U see straight towards sun rising from the east, but u dont know that your line of sight is not a straight path to the sun. Gravity has distorted everything in space including time, spatial distance and now even the light. C is no more a constant. E=mC^2 varies in different regions of space if m is kept constant.

You just have to give a resonant push to the atoms of an element i.e the freq at which the atoms vibrate in an element and you will get the energy.
If you are able to find the self resonance point of the ferrite toroid, put it in a tank circuit, pick the value of the C and L in such a way that f0 for LC tank is same as the self resonance of the ferrite toroid, U will get maximum energy. The matter of toroid decomposes on extracting excessive energy. This is NMR. And I think this device works on the same principle.

But there are more powerful energy fields still hidden.

O assembly of jinn and men! If you are able to pass through the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass through; you cannot pass through but with Sultan (The ultimate power / authority).
                                                                                                                                                                                            The Holy Quran,    Chapter 55 "Al-Rahman"

I apologize for my critical thinking but reading that a flag went up for me. If it has anything to do with "nmr" or self resonance frequency of the ferrite core then the sim is useless and just shows a low simulation accuracy problem. Furthermore it would mean that the ferrite type is absolutely crucial in building a replication like the one you claim is working for you.
You have to understand it's hard to believe without any tangible demonstration on your part but luckily it should be pretty straightforward to build.
I will stick to the plan and build a setup as close to your specs as possible and we'll see what it gives.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on February 06, 2012, 04:06:35 PM
Well, here is how it should work in my opinion. Mosfet switch currents at 50V level, but across mosfets are very fast bi-directional transient supression diodes , let's say we put a transil for 100V. It will conduct happily when voltage rise above 100V between D-S of mosfet. Here you see IMHO that this is maybe what Tesla wanted to find : switching large currents and HV in the same time.Large currents flow throught mosfet, while higher voltage currents flow through transils. It's just my theoretical idea. At least we must find why this set of mosfets works in simulation and not others. I would like to simulate 1.5KE transils but I'm not experienced in SPICE to write model for it.
Again, I think that very long running blocking generator with large currents circulating and not supressing HV is enough to get OU, just one step behind the success.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on February 06, 2012, 04:08:14 PM
Question: what is the bulbs resistance ? I cannot get 100V bulbs here ,only 230V.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: gyulasun on February 06, 2012, 04:23:14 PM
Hi  forest,

Please help me understand what you really mean...  What shall I understand under your term 'high voltage current'?  Is it a current caused by high voltage when a certain HV limit is exceeded? 
If yes,  than what causes the current that the MOSFET switches?  The 50V you defined? 
So you have circuit where there is a controlled MOSFET switches a 50V voltage level and then there is the transil diode which switches at the say 100V level,  right?  Here I ask the 100V voltage level is created due to the switching of the 50V?

It would be good you show the link you already referred to above how the circuit might look like or just draw such.

Gyula

Well, here is how it should work in my opinion. Mosfet switch currents at 50V level, but across mosfets are very fast bi-directional transient supression diodes , let's say we put a transil for 100V. It will conduct happily when voltage rise above 100V between D-S of mosfet. Here you see IMHO that this is maybe what Tesla wanted to find : switching large currents and HV in the same time.Large currents flow throught mosfet, while higher voltage currents flow through transils. It's just my theoretical idea. At least we must find why this set of mosfets works in simulation and not others. I would like to simulate 1.5KE transils but I'm not experienced in SPICE to write model for it.
Again, I think that very long running blocking generator with large currents circulating and not supressing HV is enough to get OU, just one step behind the success.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: gyulasun on February 06, 2012, 04:28:41 PM
Question: what is the bulbs resistance ? I cannot get 100V bulbs here ,only 230V.

From this schematic, the bulb has 100W power rating at 100V,  hence R=V2 / P=100 Ohm (when it lights with 100W power of course).

http://www.overunity.com/11961/ghazanfar-ali-generator-utlilizing-trapped-energy/msg311553/#msg311553 (http://www.overunity.com/11961/ghazanfar-ali-generator-utlilizing-trapped-energy/msg311553/#msg311553) 

Just use  some power resistors in series and/or parallel combination to have a few watts rated 150 Ohm or higher load.
Use a full wave bridge plus a puffer capacitor at the device output and terminate the puffer capacitor with the load resistor and measure the DC voltage across it to estimate the dissipated power.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Rosemary Ainslie on February 06, 2012, 04:49:11 PM

 Hi Rosemary,

A  Zener diode is not designed to switch quickly if you mean that switching speed (what is generally specified for switching type diodes)  is involved.  Normally, Zener diodes switching speed is not defined because their purpose is to have a very steep voltage-current characteristic in the reverse direction so that the current should change abruptly once the Zener voltage limit is exceeded.

 

 Re on avalanche type MOSFETs:  please read this paper here in Pages 4, 5 and 6,  it is nicely explained:   http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1005.pdf (http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1005.pdf)

Putting it briefly:  Avalanche effect can occur when the maximum drain-source voltage (specified for a MOSFET type)  is exceeded.   And there are certain power MOSFET types where the manufacturer designed the MOSFET to keep the avalanche current under a certain control so that the device should survive an avalanche current value,  once it is started,  where some other MOSFET types would surely self-destruct.
Here is the data sheet for the IRFPG50 power MOSFET, please see the second line in the feature column on the top of the first page, it says: Repetitive Avalanche Rated.
http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irfpg50.pdf (http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irfpg50.pdf)   
This means that  maximum  6 Amper drain-source current is allowed  at a certain pulse width and at a certain junction temperature when the drain source voltage is higher than 1000V, (or  it can be less than 1000V but the avalanche current has already started due to a little overdissipation) see also Figure 11 in the data sheet.
I hope this helps, this is my intention. 

Gyula

PS  Ali,  sorry for such seemingly off topic mails in your thread, hopefully you undertand the goal -from my part at least- is to help the level of this discussion be as scientific as possible.  Looking forward to seeing further news from your great setup.
  Thanks Gyula.  Very clearly explained and much appreciated.  I thought that avalanche was the same thing as a parasitic oscillation.  :o Clearly lots to learn.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on February 06, 2012, 05:04:43 PM
interesting  :o
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 06, 2012, 05:58:38 PM
Quite clearly, the MOSFET body diode is entering its zener region when the MOSFET is OFF. This is due of course to the inductive kickback from the 337uH inductor.

Compare the SPICE IRFP260 MOSFET body diode model with a commercial 1N4989 200V Zener, below:

.MODEL MD D IS=9.22634e-11 RS=0.00602685 N=1.08631 BV=200
+IBV=0.00025 EG=1 XTI=1 TT=0 CJO=5.45582e-09 VJ=2.99908 M=0.9 FC=0.5

.model D1n4989  D(Is=84.5f N=1 Rs=.1 Ikf=0 Xti=3 Eg=1.11 Cjo=2n M=.3333 Vj=.75
+               Fc=.5 Isr=340n Nr=2 Bv=200 Ibv=10.35m Tt=144.3n)

No special "model" is required for zeners in SPICE, they use the "standard diode" model. The model parameters are set according to the diode's characteristics.

.99

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 06, 2012, 06:52:43 PM
@ Mannix and All other friends
 
 Hello Friends
 Here is the ORCAD and MULTISIM Files for my AliGen v 1.4
 I felt that a small pumping of energy is required to keep the 4700 uF charged so why not to connect its one end to the pulse gen instead ground.
 Now u can find it more easy to make the device run without any damping.
 The load resistance I checked at 50 Ohms. And the simulation was still running. To be at safer side I chose 100 Ohms Load. I made it run for 60 seconds on Cadence ORCAD v 16.3 and it ran without damping. A lot of data from Simulation output.
 By increasing Pulse amplitude u will get more energy. Therefore I increased pulse voltage. But it gives good result even with 5Vs.
 Multisim showed me 62 Watts and ORCAD showed 14 W approx with an input of 10 mW.
 Interesting isn't it?
 I am not attaching ORCAD sim files as they are around 42 MB and only its schematic jpg .   Multisim files along with screen captures are as under.
 
 I wish u all the best in your replications.
 
 Kind Regards
 Ghazanfar Ali
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 06, 2012, 06:57:12 PM
@ All
Plz someone guide me what all files with extn are needed for ORCAD as there are so many files in my sim project folder.
Thanks
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 06, 2012, 07:28:32 PM
interesting  :o

Is there any way downloading these zip files. Coz every time it gives CRC error.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: JJUK on February 06, 2012, 07:35:37 PM
ZIP FILES available at  http://tinyurl.com/7pzrv7p (http://tinyurl.com/7pzrv7p)


If I've missed any then let me know and I'll upload them.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 06, 2012, 07:44:19 PM
interesting  :o

@forest
So the ingenuity of my mind says if we are getting 149 VDC across the capacitor, why not to use a small amount of that voltage to run the 555 timer based pulse generator of the input stage. ;) That is why I said it can be turned into a 100 % self running generator. The key to start is the initial charge stored in the capacitor C2 or just touch 50V DC source to its electrodes for a while and then replace the DC source. That is how Tariel Kapanadze switches on its KapGen with just a 9V DC battery.
Best of Luck
Ghazanfar Ali
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: energia9 on February 06, 2012, 07:45:53 PM
@ Mannix and All other friends
 
 Hello Friends
 Here is the ORCAD and MULTISIM Files for my AliGen v 1.4
 I felt that a small pumping of energy is required to keep the 4700 uF charged so why not to connect its one end to the pulse gen instead ground.
 Now u can find it more easy to make the device run without any damping.
 The load resistance I checked at 50 Ohms. And the simulation was still running. To be at safer side I chose 100 Ohms Load. I made it run for 60 seconds on Cadence ORCAD v 16.3 and it ran without damping. A lot of data from Simulation output.
 By increasing Pulse amplitude u will get more energy. Therefore I increased pulse voltage. But it gives good result even with 5Vs.
 Multisim showed me 62 Watts and ORCAD showed 14 W approx with an input of 10 mW.
 Interesting isn't it?
 I am not attaching ORCAD sim files as they are around 42 MB and only its schematic jpg .   Multisim files along with screen captures are as under.
 
 I wish u all the best in your replications.
 
 Kind Regards
 Ghazanfar Ali
Ali, can this experiment be replicated with other transistors?   i have  Irf540n   n chanel mosfet -  33 A  100V
i really hope that what ur saying is true and you tried this in real life and works.
and what kind of core material do i have to use for the inductor?

thank you
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 06, 2012, 07:46:13 PM
@JJUK
Thanks Dear I got it from your given link.
God Bless U.

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 06, 2012, 07:49:42 PM
Ali, can this experiment be replicated with other transistors?   i have  Irf540n   n chanel mosfet -  33 A  100V

I havent tested IRF540n.
But I think if it can handle 1000 V at the start for 10 ms then there would be no problem. I just tested it on IRFP260. now I will switch to IRFP264 as it gives more power output.
Kind Regards
Ghazanfar Ali
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: gyulasun on February 06, 2012, 07:58:23 PM
Hi Ali,

Perhaps if you run the simulation in Orcad for a very short time only, then the files may have become much smaller?

So then poynt99 or anyone else could use them sooner?

Try to copy some of those files into another directory and open them from there to find out which are the much needed ones?

Gyula
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: gyulasun on February 06, 2012, 08:00:01 PM
Is there any way downloading these zip files. Coz every time it gives CRC error.

This forum is optimized for Firefox (Mozilla)  perhaps this the problem when downloading with other type of browsers.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: JJUK on February 06, 2012, 08:12:19 PM
Thanks for the tip gyulasun. Downloading the zip files via Firefox does indeed resolve the problem seen with IE9, IE10 and Chrome.


I'll continue to provide an archive of the zip files at http://tinyurl.com/7pzrv7p for those who continue to struggle.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on February 06, 2012, 09:16:32 PM
I havent tested IRF540n.
But I think if it can handle 1000 V at the start for 10 ms then there would be no problem. I just tested it on IRFP260. now I will switch to IRFP264 as it gives more power output.
Kind Regards
Ghazanfar Ali

I would not be so optimist.Clearly the zener-like structure in IRFP26x series match with circuit parameters, but what and why is to be resolved. Then almost any mosfet can be used with proper zener instead of build-in. Just my two cents. ;D I think that Ismael Aviso could help us here if he was willing to do so....
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: e2matrix on February 06, 2012, 09:17:01 PM
There are some sizable differences between the IRFP260 and IRFP264 mostly in rise and fall times.  How important might these differences be?  Probably just need to test to find out but :
IRFP260:
Drain-Source Breakdown Voltage:    200 V    
Continuous Drain Current: 46 A
Fall Time: 28 ns    
Power Dissipation:  280 W    
Rise Time: 30 ns    
Typical Turn-Off Delay Time:  90 ns


IRFP 264:
Drain-Source Breakdown Voltage:    250 V    
Continuous Drain Current: 38 A
Fall Time:  92 ns    
Power Dissipation: 280 W    
Rise Time: 99 ns    
Typical Turn-Off Delay Time: 110 ns

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 06, 2012, 09:19:19 PM
@ All
Plz someone guide me what all files with extn are needed for ORCAD as there are so many files in my sim project folder.
Thanks

Ali,

You CAN upload the ORCAD files, all you need to do is remove, or not include the ".dat" file. That file is the bulk of your 42Mb. Then zip up the rest of the file and upload somewhere, preferably not on this site as it is apparently corrupting zip and rar files.


Thanks,
.99

PS. Does the circuit not run when the Source cap is grounded as before?
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: 27Bubba on February 06, 2012, 10:38:08 PM
Hi Ali at all.
I want to replicate Ali's generator. Went to Digikey website and there are Mofsets IRFP260PBF-ND, IRFP260MPBF, IRFP260NPBF. I cannot locate the IRFP260 anywhere. DigiKey does not carry those can I substitute with the numbers above? Thanks.

Forgot to add the DIGI-KEY webpage   

http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?WT.z_header=search_go&lang=en&site=us&keywords=IRFP260&x=19&y=16
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Khwartz on February 06, 2012, 10:56:07 PM
Hi Khwartz :)
Hi Blocki

Quote
I only made another drawing of the schematic. I'm going to build it, I need to order the components.
The L1 you will have to design how Ghanzafar_Ali told us.
Ok, where did Ghanzafar_Ali gave the instructions please for the coil?
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: e2matrix on February 06, 2012, 11:00:09 PM
Hi Ali at all.
I want to replicate Ali's generator. Went to Digikey website and there are Mofsets IRFP260PBF-ND, IRFP260MPBF, IRFP260NPBF. I cannot locate the IRFP260 anywhere. DigiKey does not carry those can I substitute with the numbers above? Thanks.

Forgot to add the DIGI-KEY webpage   

http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?WT.z_header=search_go&lang=en&site=us&keywords=IRFP260&x=19&y=16

The 'PBF' just means lead free so I don't know that would make any difference unless the lead is part of the secret ingredient :D  .  I'd try www.mouser.com where I am fairly sure they have the IRFP260  plain if that's what you prefer. 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Khwartz on February 06, 2012, 11:00:38 PM
@ Mannix and All other friends
 
 Hello Friends
.../...
 Multisim showed me 62 Watts and ORCAD showed 14 W approx with an input of 10 mW.
 Interesting isn't it?
.../...
 
 Kind Regards
 Ghazanfar Ali
Yes! What interesting!  :o :D
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: e2matrix on February 06, 2012, 11:06:16 PM
Hi Blocki
Ok, where did Ghanzafar_Ali gave the instructions please for the coil?

Back on page 3 Qwert made a compilation of Ghanzafar_Ali's posts that were in the Kapanadze thread and uploaded them in this thread as a .doc file.  I think that has some info in it you may be looking for.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Khwartz on February 06, 2012, 11:07:45 PM
To all

Does someone has a schematic for an analogic circuit fixed circuit that could fit the 0-5V, 0.5ms pulse like Ghanzafar_Ali recommends for is device?

Cheers, Khwartz.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: gyulasun on February 06, 2012, 11:46:19 PM
To all

Does someone has a schematic for an analogic circuit fixed circuit that could fit the 0-5V, 0.5ms pulse like Ghanzafar_Ali recommends for is device?

Cheers, Khwartz.

This can be a simple analog circuit, directly driving the MOSFETs from one output (the other output remains unconnected).  The supply voltage can be 5V or 5.5V to the multivibrator.  Use a 9V battery because MOSFETs switch ON with less drain-source resistance when driven by 9-10V gate control voltage versus the 5V.

http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/waveforms/astable.html 

The other possibility is to use the 555 timer IC, google for it, tons of info.

Gyula
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: dole on February 07, 2012, 01:16:39 AM
@Gyula  @All
I am wondering if there is some good way to protect a signal generator in case of using it as driver and not distort the signal, Thanks.
d.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 07, 2012, 02:33:00 AM
Ali,

Here are my results so far. I made some minor adjustments to my schematic to match yours.

The oscillation does not sustain, so there must be something else not set right yet. I will need your files in order to see why yours is sustaining.

As I posted already, simply delete the ".dat" file that is buried in the folders/files, and then your upload will most likely be about 200k or so.

Please let me know if something doesn't look right. btw, the 3 MOSFETs are placed on top of each other. They are all connected in parallel.

.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: AbbaRue on February 07, 2012, 05:18:22 AM

You can get the IRFP260 MOSFET at this location, I have ordered many components from them. 
They have very good prices on some items.
http://www.futurlec.com/TransMosIRF.shtml (http://www.futurlec.com/TransMosIRF.shtml)
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 07, 2012, 08:21:29 AM
Ali,

Here are my results so far. I made some minor adjustments to my schematic to match yours.

The oscillation does not sustain, so there must be something else not set right yet. I will need your files in order to see why yours is sustaining.

As I posted already, simply delete the ".dat" file that is buried in the folders/files, and then your upload will most likely be about 200k or so.

Please let me know if something doesn't look right. btw, the 3 MOSFETs are placed on top of each other. They are all connected in parallel.

.99

Dear 0.99
Try removing initial charge from 4700uf Cap. I am attaching the variants of AliGen (v 1.4 and 1.5). The archives include gen's simulation files for Cadence ORCAD 16.3. Here I am also attaching my schematics jpg along with output waveform. It's stable.

Kind Regards
Ghazanfar Ali
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 07, 2012, 08:43:13 AM
@ALL

For all those who are using Firefox Browser. If u r having problem in getting error while extracting zip files after download, go to Add ons in your firefox browser. Download the add on "DownloadThemAll Tool"
That is embedded download accelerator for firefox
Right click on the link for zip file u want to download from these posts and select "save link with DownloadThemAll!".
thats it. U will never get an error while extracting zip files. ;)
Enjoy.
Best Regards
Ghazanfar Ali
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 07, 2012, 09:47:15 AM
Ali,

Here are my results so far. I made some minor adjustments to my schematic to match yours.

The oscillation does not sustain, so there must be something else not set right yet. I will need your files in order to see why yours is sustaining.

As I posted already, simply delete the ".dat" file that is buried in the folders/files, and then your upload will most likely be about 200k or so.

Please let me know if something doesn't look right. btw, the 3 MOSFETs are placed on top of each other. They are all connected in parallel.

.99

@ 0.99
I am not sure how the sim behaves with the CW or CCW fashion of Inductor. But practically it matters a lot especially in case of electrolytic caps and where u have to cater for polarities. Try swapping  point 1 and 2 of the inductor.
Regards
Ghazanfar Ali
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: baffo on February 07, 2012, 12:48:57 PM
it's a few days that I follow with great interest the forum and this thread.I want to replicate the circuit, but I have a little doubt about the connection of ground, it is really necessary? I found this page that offers a very simple circuit and an interesting theory about ground connection.
http://www.hyiq.org/Library/Catching_Radiant_Energy.htm
Best Regards
Daniele
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: gyulasun on February 07, 2012, 01:37:50 PM
@Gyula  @All
I am wondering if there is some good way to protect a signal generator in case of using it as driver and not distort the signal, Thanks.
d.

Hi dole,

If I got you correctly you may wish to protect a signal generator's output from being destroyed by any high voltage that might come back from the MOSFETs,  right?   If yes,  than I suggest using MOSFET driver integrated circuits dedicated for directly driving power MOSFETs or IGBTs with fast rise and fall time pulses and if such a driver is destroyed by any HV feedback from the MOSFETs than you have a few $ loss to buy another such driver IC and the generator output is saved.

IF you meant normal distortion because a generator output is not "strong" enough and a circuit justs overload it so that the shape of the signal gets distorted then the solution is also a driver chip like above or a small linear wideband power amplifier stage. 
IS this what you meant?

Gyula
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 07, 2012, 02:06:40 PM
@Gyulasun
The solution to amplify the signal gen output and to keep it away from back emfs was once given to me by Verpies. Here is the link to that page where he replied to my query.
http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg308901/#msg308901

This cct is only good for non sinusoidal waveforms and thus can be used for pulses.

Best of Luck
Ghazanfar
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: gyulasun on February 07, 2012, 03:49:36 PM
it's a few days that I follow with great interest the forum and this thread.I want to replicate the circuit, but I have a little doubt about the connection of ground, it is really necessary? I found this page that offers a very simple circuit and an interesting theory about ground connection.
http://www.hyiq.org/Library/Catching_Radiant_Energy.htm (http://www.hyiq.org/Library/Catching_Radiant_Energy.htm)
Best Regards
Daniele

The connection of the ground in the schematics shown in previous pages refer to the circuit simulator ground (common negative) connections and no need for a real waterpipe or buried metal piece ground connection.
There are certain simulator programs that need the usage of at least one ground symbol to run correctly.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Khwartz on February 07, 2012, 10:29:34 PM
This can be a simple analog circuit, directly driving the MOSFETs from one output (the other output remains unconnected).  The supply voltage can be 5V or 5.5V to the multivibrator.  Use a 9V battery because MOSFETs switch ON with less drain-source resistance when driven by 9-10V gate control voltage versus the 5V.

http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/waveforms/astable.html 

The other possibility is to use the 555 timer IC, google for it, tons of info.

Gyula
Hi Guyla
Thanks for reply.
I knew already the multivrator but it doesn't permit to set peaks, means not do to PWM.
Thanks for 555timer, Ive found some schematic that I think I can use :)
Cheer.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Khwartz on February 07, 2012, 10:35:51 PM
Dear 0.99
Try removing initial charge from 4700uf Cap. I am attaching the variants of AliGen (v 1.4 and 1.5). The archives include gen's simulation files for Cadence ORCAD 16.3. Here I am also attaching my schematics jpg along with output waveform. It's stable.

Kind Regards
Ghazanfar Ali
Hi Ghazanfar_Ali! And thanks again for your work and breakthroughs  8)
You put in this referred post 2 schematics. Which one I have to replicate and where the load is place please?
And please, where I can find the exact design of the coils L1 & L2?
Cheer.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: dole on February 07, 2012, 11:50:34 PM
Hi gyulasun,
Thanks, I thought the same, so it's gonna be CMOS Hex Schmitt
d.
"We never have time to do it right,
But we always have time to do it over"

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: baroutologos on February 08, 2012, 08:48:03 AM
Any thoughts at dispencing with simulations and go for the real thing?
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 08, 2012, 02:25:23 PM
Ali,

I modified my schematic to eliminate the Initial Charge on the capacitor (as you suggested), then ran the circuit for 4 seconds (for complete stability). Shown is the last 100ms of that run.

It's clear from the scope traces of POWER in both the R1 resistor and FG function generator WHERE the power is coming from; in this case, the FG.

I'd like to see your ORCAD version where the circuit is similar to the MS circuit, where the FG is NOT adding energy to the capacitor. Are you able to get that working also and upload it?

Thanks,
.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Mannix on February 08, 2012, 03:42:20 PM
Ali,

I modified my schematic to eliminate the Initial Charge on the capacitor (as you suggested), then ran the circuit for 4 seconds (for complete stability). Shown is the last 100ms of that run.

It's clear from the scope traces of POWER in both the R1 resistor and FG function generator WHERE the power is coming from; in this case, the FG.

I'd like to see your ORCAD version where the circuit is similar to the MS circuit, where the FG is NOT adding energy to the capacitor. Are you able to get that working also and upload it?

Thanks,
.99

the origional circuit without putting the function generator under stress worked with 2 k in series with the frequency source
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 08, 2012, 04:23:07 PM
the origional circuit without putting the function generator under stress worked with 2 k in series with the frequency source

That's great, but we need to see it operating in ORCAD SPICE this same way. Then I'll be able to sort out where the power is coming from.

.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: JJUK on February 08, 2012, 06:29:40 PM
@poynt99

Do you believe that ORCAD SPICE provides a more accurate simulation of the real world than Multisim then? I merely downloaded the Multisim 30 day trial https://lumen.ni.com/nicif/us/evalmultisim/content.xhtml as that was the file format being used by Ali. I am wondering whether I should be using ORCAD instead.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 08, 2012, 06:43:40 PM
Although it is possible Multisim may be simulating the circuit incorrectly, I doubt it is.

I am fairly good at using PSpice and obtaining the required measurements, so that is one reason I'd like to see the ORCAD files with the circuit operating the same as the Multisim. I will be able to get to the meat of the matter very quickly.

.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: djex81 on February 08, 2012, 06:44:44 PM
@poynt99

Do you believe that ORCAD SPICE provides a more accurate simulation of the real world than Multisim then? I merely downloaded the Multisim 30 day trial https://lumen.ni.com/nicif/us/evalmultisim/content.xhtml as that was the file format being used by Ali. I am wondering whether I should be using ORCAD instead.

Hello all, I'm new here I guess you can say. Been watching this thread and lurking here for awhile now. I think if we are going to use a simulator to test anything we need to run this on multiple simulators to rule out a software anomaly. One thing that worries me is that these results may be a miscalculation by the simulation software. Though similar results are shown between Multisim and OrCAD we should also try other software's (even the free ones) to see if the results are the same or at least still suggesting OU. Each software may use a different calculation method and if multiple calculation methods show possible OU then it's a good chance that the results are accurate or at least telling the truth.

I'll see if I can get a TinaTI sim ready using the latest v1.5 schematic.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on February 08, 2012, 07:32:50 PM
Couple of questions from somebody who has always a lot of worries  ::)


1. IRFP260 is the same as IRFP260N ?
2. Assuming that we will choose a circuit for driving mosfets; cold someone explain how that circuit (powered from 9V battery from example) could drive mosfets without grounds of oscillator and proposed circuit merged ? That always bothered me and I still can't get it properly : how to join two circuits : one with flowing large currents at 50V and more and one requiring only 9V and a few mA maybe.Of course we need also to eliminate leakage of power from oscillator to proposed OU circuit.



Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: e2matrix on February 08, 2012, 07:48:43 PM
poynt99,  while it may be good to know where the simulator energy is coming from what actual benefit does this have if  simulator's are not going to simulate tapping radiant energy or energy from other unseen or unknown sources as may be the case with the actual circuit here? 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 08, 2012, 08:36:45 PM
@0.99

I have already uploaded the ORCAD sim files along with pictures 2 pages back.
Kind Regards
Ghazanfar Ali
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 08, 2012, 08:38:14 PM
poynt99,  while it may be good to know where the simulator energy is coming from what actual benefit does this have if  simulator's are not going to simulate tapping radiant energy or energy from other unseen or unknown sources as may be the case with the actual circuit here?

Well, the simulation was first done by Ali, then he built the circuit afterwards. At least that is my understanding.

Now, as we've not seen evidence of this circuit actually working on the bench, it is prudent at this time to analyse how the circuit is operating, and IF indeed there is something weird going on in the simulation, OR if there is something being overlooked. There IS a claim that the simulated circuit is exhibiting OU, so the purpose of having a working circuit in ORCAD is so that I may determine if this claim is merited or not.

.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: energia9 on February 08, 2012, 10:33:21 PM
we will need it working on the bench, because  we are not living in lala land .

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 08, 2012, 11:23:03 PM
@0.99

I have already uploaded the ORCAD sim files along with pictures 2 pages back.
Kind Regards
Ghazanfar Ali

Ali,

I know you posted those circuits, but I've already made that circuit work by modifying my own. It was shown not to exhibit OU.

Here is what I am asking for as per my two previous posts:

I'd like to see your ORCAD version where the circuit is similar to the MS circuit, where the FG is NOT adding energy to the capacitor. Are you able to get that working also and upload it?

Thanks,
.99

and

That's great, but we need to see it operating in ORCAD SPICE this same way. Then I'll be able to sort out where the power is coming from.

.99

What I am referring to in this last post is the original Multisim circuit. That circuit does NOT have the FG connected to the Source capacitor.

So again, what I'm asking for is a working ORCAD circuit identical to the original Multisim circuit.

Thanks,
.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 08, 2012, 11:25:35 PM
we will need it working on the bench, because  we are not living in lala land .

I suspect we are all to assume this message was for Ali, correct?
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: e2matrix on February 09, 2012, 12:25:50 AM
Well, the simulation was first done by Ali, then he built the circuit afterwards. At least that is my understanding.

Now, as we've not seen evidence of this circuit actually working on the bench, it is prudent at this time to analyse how the circuit is operating, and IF indeed there is something weird going on in the simulation, OR if there is something being overlooked. There IS a claim that the simulated circuit is exhibiting OU, so the purpose of having a working circuit in ORCAD is so that I may determine if this claim is merited or not.

.99
I realize Ali posted the sims and I have my ideas why he did but does ORCAD or any sim actually have the ability to exhibit OU and on what basis would they exhibit OU unless it's just a glitch in programming?  Are they programmed with theories outside of the mainstream such as radiant energy input?  I doubt they are so I still question what is expected from something that is essentially like a graphing calculator of sorts.  It can't find magic unless magic was programmed into it.    I guess anything that can add to the pool of knowledge on this is good to have but I think for a circuit as easy to build as this that it might be time better spent in building it.   Anyway thanks for your input.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 09, 2012, 01:01:33 AM
I realize Ali posted the sims and I have my ideas why he did but does ORCAD or any sim actually have the ability to exhibit OU and on what basis would they exhibit OU unless it's just a glitch in programming?  Are they programmed with theories outside of the mainstream such as radiant energy input?  I doubt they are so I still question what is expected from something that is essentially like a graphing calculator of sorts.  It can't find magic unless magic was programmed into it.    I guess anything that can add to the pool of knowledge on this is good to have but I think for a circuit as easy to build as this that it might be time better spent in building it.   Anyway thanks for your input.

You seem to be missing the point.

It is Ali that is making the claim for OU in the simulation, not I, and it is Ali that posted the files so that others could investigate it, which I am doing. Now, you seem to have a problem with my choice to do the simulation, so I would advise you to take your issue up with Ali, not I if you don't mind.

Also, I am aware of two bench replications, and neither of them exhibit anything close to OU.

.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: hartiberlin on February 09, 2012, 02:25:30 AM
I think, Ali should ask his boss for a few days of vaccations from his job, go home
and finally upload the video and a few pics, so that we can see, that it is real,
what he is saying ?

Maybe he also used a iron wire coil and has the same excited radioactive decay in
his coil that we just spoke about in the Kapanadze thread and which is probably
the effect for the huge overunity COP factor ?

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: madddann on February 09, 2012, 10:52:34 PM
Hi guys! I've been fiddling with multisim for two days now and i cannot achieve what Ali did. I built the circuit from scratch many times in multisim 10 and multisim 11 and when i first time run the simulation it gives me an error, then the error is corrected and the circuit runs as expected by the logic - no overunity. I have no idea how Ali's 1.2 version runs withouth stopping and gives huge overunity - i tried to replace all of the components and it still runs, so I think there must be some "secret" parameter that Ali changed and allows the simulation to run overunity.

@Ali
Below I attached my multisim file - can you tell us what is the difference between this and your 1.2 version - why the simulation is different?

...this are my results from multisim 10 and 11 and both follow logic...
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on February 09, 2012, 11:30:28 PM
Hi guys! I've been fiddling with multisim for two days now and i cannot achieve what Ali did. I built the circuit from scratch many times in multisim 10 and multisim 11 and when i first time run the simulation it gives me an error, then the error is corrected and the circuit runs as expected by the logic - no overunity. I have no idea how Ali's 1.2 version runs withouth stopping and gives huge overunity - i tried to replace all of the components and it still runs, so I think there must be some "secret" parameter that Ali changed and allows the simulation to run overunity.

@Ali
Below I attached my multisim file - can you tell us what is the difference between this and your 1.2 version - why the simulation is different?

...this are my results from multisim 10 and 11 and both follow logic...


this secret is inside mosfet and in placement and coil wind direction and in some simulation global parameters set to avoid error IMHO
look this is not important if that run for days or just 3 hours it can be not OU but very very efficient resonant circuit at resonance, the essence is it proves OU is possible in the same way the CFL bulbs could produce more light than incandescent filament ! magnetic field is free and so any kind of radio or light rays !!!!
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on February 09, 2012, 11:32:36 PM
 madddann (http://www.overunity.com/profile/madddann.18596/) if you want to dicourage us then rather let it go, this is 2012 not 1990 !
fix you simulation , place mosfets exactly like Ali did
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 10, 2012, 01:05:04 AM
@forest
Electrically, if the circuits are connected the same, it is irrelevant how the drawing appears, it will operate the same.

Same thing goes for inductors, the orientation has no effect, UNLESS you set up an initial condition for it, THEN it does. However, Ali has not made mention of an IC setting for the inductor, so the orientation does not matter in this case.

@maddann
Global settings can and will make a difference, so if you are simulating in MS, download Ali's files and start there.

.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: madddann on February 10, 2012, 02:10:06 AM
@forest
I just posted my findings, what is wrong with that? I really hope that in real life the circuit works like claimed by Ali.


@poynt99
I forgot to mention that if I do that, everithing miracolously works  8)



Dann
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 10, 2012, 03:02:35 AM
Interesting  ???

My suggestion for you would be to take a screen capture of all the settings with the working files loaded, then compare these to the default settings.

.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: WilbyInebriated on February 10, 2012, 07:22:25 AM
Interesting  ???

My suggestion for you would be to take a screen capture of all the settings with the working files loaded, then compare these to the default settings.

.99
poynt... would the global temp setting (if memory serves it's usually around 300K) being set to 0 or negative cause this?
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 10, 2012, 12:10:35 PM
poynt... would the global temp setting (if memory serves it's usually around 300K) being set to 0 or negative cause this?

That's a possibility I hadn't thought of. I've never adjusted the global temperature in my sims, but  the default setting in PSpice is 27C.

The strange thing to me is that Ali changed the circuit configuration in the PSpice file. Was this the only way he could make it run in a similar way to the Multisim version? Or was he just experimenting?

Also, someone early in the discussion said that it didn't work in LT Spice. So I am wondering if there is some peculiarity in Multisim that allows this circuit to work?

If Ali would be so kind as to upload a working ORCAD/PSpice file with the same circuit as the Multisim, then we'll know for certain.

.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: WilbyInebriated on February 10, 2012, 12:45:57 PM
That's a possibility I hadn't thought of. I've never adjusted the global temperature in my sims, but  the default setting in PSpice is 27C.

The strange thing to me is that Ali changed the circuit configuration in the PSpice file. Was this the only way he could make it run in a similar way to the Multisim version? Or was he just experimenting?

Also, someone early in the discussion said that it didn't work in LT Spice. So I am wondering if there is some peculiarity in Multisim that allows this circuit to work?

If Ali would be so kind as to upload a working ORCAD/PSpice file with the same circuit as the Multisim, then we'll know for certain.

.99
i wasn't sure of it myself but i thought i had remembered seeing such params when looking at some of the source for pspice. i thought there was a temp setting for each component also? base setting or was it max operating temp? something like that... you're far more experienced with sims than i, so i thought i would fly it by you and see what you thought.

300K is 26.85C :)
i'd swear the source showed kelvin, but from what you are saying i'm guessing where you change the setting, the user definable field is in celsius? strange, i wonder why they did that?
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 10, 2012, 02:14:57 PM
Yeah, you bet.

You can change the temperature of each component, and even perform temperature sweeps.

Celsius is easier to get a handle on I'd guess; after all, our multi-meters do measure in Celsius.

.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on February 10, 2012, 06:02:49 PM
@forest
I just posted my findings, what is wrong with that? I really hope that in real life the circuit works like claimed by Ali.


@poynt99
I forgot to mention that if I do that, everithing miracolously works  8)



Dann


Fix circuit. it won't work with square wave generator, I tried also. It will work with pulsing power source element .
I tried also various simulation extensions and it is very unstable but I sucessfully charged capacitor without depleting oscillations too much and it looks very funny when you fast discharge that capacitor. It has to be done very quickly to dampen only halp amplitude of oscillations and then by a miracle those spikes are jumping up and down like accomodating to something and then after 1 or 2 seconds again it become stable amplitude.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: madddann on February 10, 2012, 09:39:56 PM

Fix circuit. it won't work with square wave generator, I tried also. It will work with pulsing power source element .
I tried also various simulation extensions and it is very unstable but I sucessfully charged capacitor without depleting oscillations too much and it looks very funny when you fast discharge that capacitor. It has to be done very quickly to dampen only halp amplitude of oscillations and then by a miracle those spikes are jumping up and down like accomodating to something and then after 1 or 2 seconds again it become stable amplitude.

If I copy paste my circuit (built from scratch) to the Ali 1.2 platform it works (overunity) as it is. The generator does not make any difference - it's output is the same. See? I attached the picture and the file.


Dann
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: gyulasun on February 10, 2012, 10:23:47 PM
Hi Dann,

Thanks for the simulations.  Would like you to ask when have some time, please use a third wattmeter to measure the power taken from (or to?) the capacitor C2.  The current input of the wattmeter would be inserted in series with the upper pin of C2 and the voltage input of the wattmeter would be in parallel with C2.

 We might see some further info this way,  hopefully.

Thanks Gyula
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Mannix on February 10, 2012, 11:49:16 PM
If I copy paste my circuit (built from scratch) to the Ali 1.2 platform it works (overunity) as it is. The generator does not make any difference - it's output is the same. See? I attached the picture and the file.


Dann

So you already know that there is a paramater different in your simulation conditions it took 3 minutes to prove that  ..do you know which one ?

Or is this a guessing game for us ?

Of course its rational that this circuit shoud not  work in reality.   even so it is something to shoot for
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Khwartz on February 11, 2012, 06:55:45 PM
If I copy paste my circuit (built from scratch) to the Ali 1.2 platform it works (overunity) as it is. The generator does not make any difference - it's output is the same. See? I attached the picture and the file.
Dann
to all:
How that changes could explain the theoretical OU here, while same components in the other set didn't give OU please?
Cheers.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: madddann on February 11, 2012, 11:29:13 PM
Hi guys!
Today i placed the power meter for C2 and found out that at first it shows -60W but then gradualy falls to zero and floats few watts up and down.
Then i placed two power meters for C1 and L1 and found out that C1 power floats a few watts up and down but the L1 power is at constat -60W - interesting huh? So there you have the "impossible" power source.

Below I attached the two xspice log files so you can see the settings of the working and the non working version of the circuit. I fiddled with the global and other settings but had no luck and i could not find out where all of those settings are located and I dont understand what some of the settings mean, so this is for those of you more familiar with spice.

Now that everithing is more clear, I'll just wait for Ali to upload his video - my last hope that the circuit works.

edited: ...oh i see i left a ground and a wire there in the second pic, but the simulation is correct...
Dann
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 12, 2012, 06:35:18 PM
dann,

I see many differences in the settings. It appears that you left all the settings as default or automatic, while Ali changed a number of them.

I suspect that Ali can't get it to work in PSpice, which is why he has not posted the files. But I think it is a moot issue anyway, since the one PSpice file he did upload (a different configuration than above) did NOT show overunity at all.

I suspect the actual problem here is either in interpreting or using the power meters in Multisim. Power can not be coming from "nowhere".

.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on February 12, 2012, 08:43:15 PM
There is some simulation program called Qucs under linux. Do you know how to set mosfet parameters to replicate exactly IRF260 ?
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 12, 2012, 09:07:45 PM
If it does not already have a model for the IRFP260, then you can look at the SPICE model for it and change the parameters for your "default" MOSFET model in Qucs.
 
 I have attached the PSpice model.
 
 .99
 
 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on February 12, 2012, 09:19:26 PM
If it does not already have a model for the IRFP260, then you can look at the SPICE model for it and change the parameters for your "default" MOSFET model in Qucs.
 
 I have attached the PSpice model.
 
 .99


Thank you. I have no idea how to set some of them because in qucs they have single value while in Spice some of them have a set of values like : RS 8 3 0.026764
If  you can help me fix it I may run this circuit under qucs for an hour or so. preliminary test show 5 seconds no diminuition of oscillation, but that's not a proof of course


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quite_Universal_Circuit_Simulator
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: gyulasun on February 12, 2012, 11:09:59 PM

Thank you. I have no idea how to set some of them because in qucs they have single value while in Spice some of them have a set of values like : RS 8 3 0.026764
If  you can help me fix it I may run this circuit under qucs for an hour or so. preliminary test show 5 seconds no diminuition of oscillation, but that's not a proof of course


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quite_Universal_Circuit_Simulator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quite_Universal_Circuit_Simulator)

Forest:

In this line "RS 8 3 0.026764" the first two numbers 8 and 3 just after the component name (RS) refer to connection points in the schematic of a Spice circuit.  So those numbers are NOT a set of values.  The real value is only  0.026764 for RS.  So if you simply omit the two numbers just after the components names your simulator would probably be happy.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: duff on February 13, 2012, 07:20:46 AM
 Here is my first test of the AliGen.

 http://youtu.be/zI9xTK-hXO4 (http://youtu.be/zI9xTK-hXO4)

 Component differences as noted in the video:
 1. I am using IRFP260MPBF instead of the IRFP260.
 2. A 17.4uF cap instead of the 18uF
 3. I've added a FEP26JT diode pair as snubbers across the source/drain.
 4. A 1mH choke is in series with the sig gen ground.

 The Inductor was initially set to 377uH and then slightly tuned so that the LC circuit was resonant at 2KHz.

 In my setup the peaks are located at the leading edge of the square wave pulses , whereas in Ali's sims the peaks are located at the trailing edge. I find this strange. I don't know what has caused it, unless perhaps the choke has caused the shift - I'll have to check it.
 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Magluvin on February 13, 2012, 07:31:13 AM
Very nice demo Duff.  ;]

Mags
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: TEKTRON on February 13, 2012, 08:13:05 AM
Here is my first test of the AliGen.

 http://youtu.be/zI9xTK-hXO4 (http://youtu.be/zI9xTK-hXO4)

 Component differences as noted in the video:
 1. I am using IRFP260MPBF instead of the IRFP260.
 2. A 17.4uF cap instead of the 18uF
 3. I've added a FEP26JT diode pair as snubbers across the source/drain.
 4. A 1mH choke is in series with the sig gen ground.

 The Inductor was initially set to 377uH and then slightly tuned so that the LC circuit was resonant at 2KHz.

 In my setup the peaks are located at the leading edge of the square wave pulses , whereas in Ali's sims the peaks are located at the trailing edge. I find this strange. I don't know what has caused it, unless perhaps the choke has caused the shift - I'll have to check it.
Duff Why not change out the 90s with tees so you can adjust the ferrite on the fly, by reaching through the tees with a push stick?
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: duff on February 13, 2012, 02:36:17 PM
Duff Why not change out the 90s with tees so you can adjust the ferrite on the fly, by reaching through the tees with a push stick?

The ferrite rods only extend 19mm out the end of the horizontal piece so I still would not be able to adjust them.
Maybe I'll make  wood end pieces.

Thanks for the suggestion.


@Mags
Thanks
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 13, 2012, 06:37:05 PM
@Duff
Thumbs up.
I will suggest, just give it a try by removing 1mH in series with sig gen to ground and place a 1H inductor in series after 4700uF cap to ground. and see the strange effect. I told u this circuit is really a weird one once it started running by itself on my table. But it is definitely producing harmful radiation also. My two external HDDs were wiped off which were placed 5 meters away from the toroid. If u feel something strange later while walking or working on laptop, some off center visions, don't panic. Its just effecting your bio energy field. To be at safer side I prefer just to use some Al shield box . I am not a psychopath but strange events have been happening since then I conducted this experiment and I am astonished why it is so? Am I fiddling with secrets of nature?

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: duff on February 13, 2012, 06:57:27 PM
@Duff
Thumbs up.
I will suggest, just give it a try by removing 1mH in series with sig gen to ground and place a 1H inductor in series after 4700uF cap to ground. and see the strange effect. I told u this circuit is really a weird one once it started running by itself on my table. But it is definitely producing harmful radiation also. My two external HDDs were wiped off which were placed 5 meters away from the toroid. If u feel something strange later while walking or working on laptop, some off center visions, don't panic. Its just effecting your bio energy field. To be at safer side I prefer just to use some Al shield box . I am not a psychopath but strange events have been happening since then I conducted this experiment and I am astonished why it is so? Am I fiddling with secrets of nature?

Hi Ali,

 I will try your suggestions but it may be a few days before I can get to it because I have to order more MOSFETS. :(   Also, I guess I need to move my laptop out of this room - I don't want to loose any data.

I was testing again this morning and when I connected the battery to the circuit, as I have many times before, smoke started barrelling off the 4700uF/63V capacitor. I didn't really look closely at it  - too busy trying to make the disconnect.


Well, the capacitor checked out OK but the MOSFETS are blown. They were 50A MOSFETS...
In addition some how the signal generator square wave function was also damaged.

I'm still scratching my head on this one as to what happened.

Thanks for the suggestions & warnings.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 13, 2012, 07:10:47 PM
I hope ur sig gen was not connected with 4700uF. and if not then definitely ur 1mH damaged ur sig gen. coz it gives a kick off of high voltage back to the source producing pulses. :(
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: EMdevices on February 13, 2012, 10:41:45 PM
This topic has come to my attention and I can provide some insight into the operation of this circuit.   I simulated it with LTspice as can be seen below.
 
 
My primary comment is that this circuit is primarily a modified BOOST converter topology, lacking only the diode and perhaps the output smoothing capacitor.    The parallel capacitance of the coil is always present with any real coil, and perhaps this capacitance is enhanced on purpose by Ali.   Due to proper timing and resonance, the switching occurs at zero voltage (correction, at zero current technicaly which is very efficient), so it wastes very little power in the switching phase.      Here's a link if you're interested:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_converter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_converter)
 
The real question is:  where is the power coming from?

The answer is:  the power comes from the 50 V supply, wheater it is a battery, or a large capacitor, or a power supply.

I'm wondering, do we have a claim here that using a capacitor, the circuit runs indefinitely and the capacitor stays charged up?    If that's the case then this would be very significant!
 
EM
 
PS.   The blue curve in my simulation is the current defined positive into the (+) terminal of the power supply V1, so when we see the negative ramp down while the switch is on, that's when the inductor is charging up magneticaly and current is increasing according to dI/dt = V/L approximately, and upon switch off, the inductor supplies it's energy to the load producing the kick-back.   The red spikes are the kickback voltage across the load resistor coming from the inductor.   However, due to capacitance in the circuit the inductor reverses polarity and the voltage drops down to zero, and that's when we switch, so this circuit is operated in the zero voltage switching mode (corection, it is switched at zero current see the blue curve), which is very efficient.     If we do not waste a lot of energy from the input power source (V1 in this case)  we can replace it with a capacitor and have it seemingly run by itself, but the energy in the capacitor will deplete over time, much like the Joule Thief circuits.
 
 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on February 13, 2012, 11:07:51 PM
This topic has come to my attention and I can provide some insight into the operation of this circuit.   I simulated it with LTspice as can be seen below.
 
 
My primary comment is that this circuit is primarily a modified BOOST converter topology, lacking only the diode and perhaps the output smoothing capacitor.    The parallel capacitance of the coil is always present with any real coil, and perhaps this capacitance is enhanced on purpose by Ali.   Due to proper timing and resonance, the switching occurs at zero voltage, so it wastes very little power in the switching phase.      Here's a link if you're interested:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_converter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_converter)
 
The real question is:  where is the power coming from?

The answer is:  the power comes from the 50 V supply, wheater it is a battery, or a large capacitor, or a power supply.

I'm wondering, do we have a claim here that using a capacitor, the circuit runs indefinitely and the capacitor stays charged up?    If that's the case then this would be very significant!
 
EM
 
PS.   The blue curve in my simulation is the current defined positive into the (+) terminal of the power supply V1, so when we see the negative ramp down while the switch is on, that's when the inductor is charging up magneticaly and current is increasing according to dI/dt = V/L approximately, and upon switch off, the inductor supplies it's energy to the load producing the kick-back.   The red spikes are the kickback voltage across the load resistor coming from the inductor.   However, due to capacitance in the circuit the inductor reverses polarity and the voltage drops down to zero, and that's when we switch, so this circuit is operated in the zero voltage switching mode, which is very efficient.     If we do not waste a lot of energy from the input power source (V1 in this case)  we can replace it with a capacitor and have it seemingly run by itself, but the energy in the capacitor will deplete over time, much like the Joule Thief circuits.




And it still WILL BE OU! It only need to run at 50V level long enough , much longer then initial time used to charge capacitor. What is your simulation showing after a hour or two (simulated)?
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 13, 2012, 11:20:26 PM
EM,

You need to replace V1 with a 4700u capacitor, charged to 50V. Then run the simulation; if the oscillation persists, then you have replicated Ali's simulation. If it "falls off" as it did in my simulation, then you are at the same point I am at right now.

Still waiting for Ali to upload a working PSpice version, OR a video showing his bench build oscillating indefinitely.

.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: duff on February 13, 2012, 11:21:59 PM
I'm wondering, do we have a claim here that using a capacitor, the circuit runs indefinitely and the capacitor stays charged up?    If that's the case then this would be very significant!
 
EM

EM,

That is the claim.

see here: http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg311237/#msg311237 (http://www.overunity.com/../../../../../../../../7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg311237/#msg311237)
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: EMdevices on February 14, 2012, 12:36:36 AM
This is my simulation with a capacitor, and of course we note the voltage drops as the energy is drained from it, just as expected.   
 
(I was even conservative and only added 0.5 ohms of resistance to the inductor, if I have zero ohms resistance, the discharge rate is obviously slower.)
 
If Ali claims his capacitor does not drain in his actual built circuit, then it is likely the 5 volt square wave pumps the circuit through the capacitance in the MOSFET.   In that case, the power is realy coming from the 5 volt square wave switching signal.    But I have doubts on this, because the obvious source of power is the main capacitor, and he is only showing a simulation of a few miliseconds.
 
EM
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 14, 2012, 12:52:42 AM
It is still a mystery as to how his MS simulation lasts for so long. In mine the oscillation starts falling off after about 20ms. I used NO coil resistance.

So you are about where I am now. Someone early in this discussion mentioned that "it did not work in LT Spice", and I get the feeling it does not work in PSpice either. That's why Ali has not posted working files for either.

He does claim that he has a working unit on his bench. However, we've not yet seen evidence of this claim.

.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: EMdevices on February 14, 2012, 12:59:05 AM
This is what I mean by driving the load from the 5 volt switching waveform, see simulation.   
 
This is as simple as it gets!   
 
It works becouse the MOSFET has internal capacitance between its terminals.  To somebody who is not familiar with electronics at this level, they might think this is over unity, but it's not.   The energy dissipated by the resistor comes from the 5 volt switching waveform, and even though the GATE is insulated, and no DC power flows,  AC power flows quite nicely through the MOSFET capacitance.
 
 
Now,  I'm wondering if ALI has the circuit tuned just right so the 5 volt waveform pumps the tank circuit and keeps the charge on the main capacitor.    In that case, he needs to scrutinize in more detail the power consumption of the 5 volt supply.
 
EM
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Magluvin on February 14, 2012, 03:58:41 AM
Hey Em

In your schematic above(shown below  edit. actually the next post) I dont see the diode on the mosfet.  I played with this circuit in Circuit sim, using the analog switch in place of the fet and the added diode gave much better oscillation. Dont know if that means much.  ;]

Mags
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Magluvin on February 14, 2012, 04:00:29 AM
Sorry.  Your pic from above


Mags
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 14, 2012, 07:21:40 AM
@duff
Ok friend. Have u catered for load resistance. he capacitor in your cct discharges soon u connect the load. I think your load is less than 150 Ohms. Try to check the resistance of the bulb and add some resistance in series so that the load should be equal or greater than 150 Ohms. I tested using two bulbs of 100W in parallel and placing this parallel pair in series with another 100W bulb. Voltage rating of each bulb was 120 Volts. Load resistance is very much important in making the 4700uF Cap to recharge again and again.
Best of Luck
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: be_design on February 14, 2012, 12:53:27 PM
@EMdevices
Ref. Schematic V1.x by Ali G.: (basically same as yours)
Yes, power from the drive is transfered, but very little

Without having done any simulation yet my self -
you may watch the Gate-Drain power with a sim.
 
Data for IRFP 260's Qgd charge is 110 nano coulomb (later versions have even less
charge) at 10V gate drive, which means average Igd for every other 0.5 mS would be
0.22 mA (the 150 Ohm load will dump this small charge in due time) Without doing
the full complex-impedance calc. - the average continuous signal gen. transfer to
the load from all three MOSFETs combined should then be less than 3.3mW


Now what about the opposite - loss from the load side to the gate/signal port?

Not really, looking at the charge transfers involved according to data sheets -
The scope picture shows 200V almost sine shaped for 0.32 of the time -
17.6mA average will be 'lost' to the gate in 0.125 mS, but will be recovered
into the load on the falling end of the half sine. Effectively then the internal
virtual capacitor is connected between load and reference(ground)while signal gen.
is low. So the energy here is just cycled back and used in the load.

Then the conclusion is that insignificant energy would be supplied from, or
lost to the driving circuit 'IF' say 42W average is dissipated in the load.
(looking at the scope sim-picture, shows aprox. 0.7x200x200x0.32 / 150 ~ 42W
 continuous average power)
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on February 14, 2012, 02:08:31 PM
Quote
@DuffThumbs up.I will suggest, just give it a try by removing 1mH in series with sig gen to ground and place a 1H inductor in series after 4700uF cap to ground. and see the strange effect. I told u this circuit is really a weird one once it started running by itself on my table. But it is definitely producing harmful radiation also. My two external HDDs were wiped off which were placed 5 meters away from the toroid. If u feel something strange later while walking or working on laptop, some off center visions, don't panic. Its just effecting your bio energy field. To be at safer side I prefer just to use some Al shield box . I am not a psychopath but strange events have been happening since then I conducted this experiment and I am astonished why it is so? Am I fiddling with secrets of nature?


You're on the good side: paranormal effect appears when your LC is self running OU
Read the whole Rotoverter Theory at EVGray Group (especially "Hector Post Volume 1 to 6") It's the "Bible" of the LCR OU transformation), a certain Hector Perez have experienced while working with high Q resonator (in his motor and transformer) these paranormal phenomena, which is in correlation with OU energy transformation...


1) High EMF pulse that fry everything around (up to miles) with big transformer.
2) Time space distortion (Time travel)...
3) Antigavity.
4) Weird effect like Philadelphia experiment...
5) The device cool down like a VTA...
6) Disease and disturbing bio field (try a healing frequency like 528 Hz) (Love and DNA repair...)
All those phenomena are side effect of energy transformation, tapping into infinite source of Nature itself...


Hector have UFO visit (Paranormal anomalies are instant detected light year away by UFO...)
MIB encounter (not friend)...


If your effect that your describe here is real, beware experiment carefully with high Q OU LCR, self-looping can be dangerous if not controlled...
High Q LC resonator are not TOY, you tap directly into the wheel-work of Nature like Tesla said...


I work on a kind of MRA (Magnetic Resonant Amplifier) which is similar to the Aligen (a self-looped, self-running, high Q resonator... )
I hope to reproduce those effect if I can get OU and loop it (Paranormal effect appear when the device is OU and self-looped...) It will be a good conformation of Hector Energy Transformation Theory...


Beware again, high Q resonator are not TOY...


Just my 2 cents on this.
SRM.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: duff on February 14, 2012, 04:38:37 PM
@duff
Ok friend. Have u catered for load resistance. he capacitor in your cct discharges soon u connect the load. I think your load is less than 150 Ohms. Try to check the resistance of the bulb and add some resistance in series so that the load should be equal or greater than 150 Ohms. I tested using two bulbs of 100W in parallel and placing this parallel pair in series with another 100W bulb. Voltage rating of each bulb was 120 Volts. Load resistance is very much important in making the 4700uF Cap to recharge again and again.
Best of Luck

Ali,

I am still waiting on parts (should be here today) however I do have 1 IRF260MPBF which I have been using and running  more tests.

As I'm sure your aware light bulbs change resistance with current/heat, so I've removed the 100W bulb and have been  testing with a 150 ohm resistive load.  It is not a carbon resistor and has about 173uH of inductance but it  I've run your simulation adding the inductance and it still appears to run OK.

Still nothing significant to report but again I'm only using the single MOSFET.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: duff on February 15, 2012, 07:13:45 PM
Ali,

My circuit is fully functional again but I am still unable to run from capacitor.
Maybe I need to change my inductor to an toroid.

You stated: "I used a ready made based on ferrite toroid."

Can you provide a link to the product you used?

Thanks


Edit: Did you us an earth ground?
I have tried it both ways and noted no difference.

What happens if you do not connect a load to the circuit?
Will the voltage or current continue to build?
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 15, 2012, 10:25:31 PM
@SchubertReijiMaigo (http://www.overunity.com/../../../../../../profile/schubertreijimaigo.23797/)Dont make me scared friend :O.
I am already experiencing lot of problems since the day I powered on my v1.1. Lost two of my external HDDs. Headache, off center visions and today as I am away from my home station in mid of a desert. I was sitting in my corrimax room beside my study table and I saw my whole table moving in zig zag fashion I cant explain but in simple words it was seen waving, just like u see an object through some heat or fire waving . Once I touched it, it was all stopped. I first thought that my eyesight is getting weaker but its not the case. I am a bit confused whether to continue my work or not. And you r 100% right that its really not a toy. It creates a pulse in time domain which flows to and fro generating time waves. I know what John Von Newman and Nicola Tesla did in Philadelphia project. The freq was around 672 Hz and due to Earths Bio Rhythm cycle of 20 years. they created a resonant effect  in August 1943 to push time waves in 63, 83 and 2003. The harmonics are still continued in temporal dimension where x,y and z dimensions are constant (The geo-coordinates where Eldridge was anchored).   

WELL THIS THREAD IS NOT TO DISCUSS QUANTUM PHYSICS so I wind up my discussion.
But this device has its weird effects and I have no doubts in it.
Regards
Ghazanfar Ali
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 15, 2012, 10:47:09 PM
@duff
I did not buy the inductor. I took it out from my old UPS power circuit. Just reduced a few turns on it to make it 337uH. I wrote about the dimensions in other thread. Please check back last few pages and u will get the detail. Tell me how much is the power consumption from battery. Isnt it still an OU device if it is run with battery connected in parallel with 4700uF?
Thanks
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: duff on February 15, 2012, 11:02:20 PM
Ali,

You did not answer my questions.

 Did you us an earth ground?
I have tried it both ways and noted no difference.

What happens if you do not connect a load to the circuit?
Will the voltage or current continue to build?

Quote
Tell me how much is the power consumption from battery.

2.25A x 25.5V = 57.38W

Perhaps we should wait till you get home and are able to provide a video.

Regards.

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Mannix on February 15, 2012, 11:07:07 PM
Isnt it still an OU device if it is run with battery connected in parallel with 4700uF?
Thanks

No.   Your sims have no battery .  ..RED FLAG!!

Ali..did you not say it runs from the cap with only input from dds generator ?

Please clarify your device . This is now looking like a  pitch from a call centre in your country.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on February 16, 2012, 11:02:52 AM
@Mannix
I did not deny that my device also runs with the help of a charged cap. I just asked him isnt it still an OU device with running from a bty?
No pitch no call center.


Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Mannix on February 17, 2012, 07:33:46 AM
Ali,

I apolagize for the poor reference of mine

The trouble with refering to batteries is that their chemistry changes and confuses so many people  even the mention of batteries gets my attention in a negative way .
The vast majority of people have no real  idea or experience of how batteries  rise in voltage with load and so many ignorant claims are made along those lines .

Your device on the other hand is designed to sustain of a capacitor  ..absolute proof .. no sums required and i was upset that a battery would play any part other than the drive .There is no issue with the drive because it is easy to use series resistance there

I have buit a version with 3mm wire and a 6" torroid heavy guage  short connections ..and my stack of 4 irfp264 fried instantly with 40volts in the cap.
interesting to say the least .





All , Its is best to stay with multisim in this thread if possible ..yes we know it should not work but it will at least give everybody a cohesive  reference point
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: duff on February 17, 2012, 04:44:22 PM
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Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: gyulasun on February 18, 2012, 10:46:17 PM
...
I have buit a version with 3mm wire and a 6" torroid heavy guage  short connections ..and my stack of 4 irfp264 fried instantly with 40volts in the cap.  interesting to say the least .
...

Hi Lindsay,

I wondered on your fried 4 MOSFETs and decided to do some calculations.  I assumed 3 meter wire length for your coil from the 3mm wire, it may have 0.00712 Ohm DC resistance  (I used this calculator here: http://chemandy.com/calculators/round-wire-resistance-calculator.htm (http://chemandy.com/calculators/round-wire-resistance-calculator.htm) )

For the MOSFETs ON resistance, they have 0.075 Ohm each (from data sheet), 4 in parallel may have had 0.01875 Ohm (assuming the 4 FETs were equal).

Now the inner resistance of your 4700uF capacitor i.e. its ESR (Equivalent Series Resistance) value what we are also interested in and here is a link ( http://kakopa.com/ESR_meter/ (http://kakopa.com/ESR_meter/) )  where there is a table for the ESRs for different capacitor values, I chose the normal value: 0.026 Ohm what I rigorously rounded up to 0.03 Ohm to account for all your short connections too. 

Now the approximate peak current taken from the capacitor (charged to 40V) is I=40/(0.03+0.01875+0.00712)=40/0.05587=715.94 Amper.  This is too much for the MOSFETs because even if I consider their absolute maximum pulsed drain current of 4 times 150A (assuming fully equal ON resistances--unlikely they had), it would give 600 Amper (data sheet is here: http://www.vishay.com/docs/91217/91217.pdf (http://www.vishay.com/docs/91217/91217.pdf) where the 150A pulsed drain current rating is tied to pulse duty cycle, see Fig. 11).

If you had less than 3m long 3mm wire than the peak current could have been higher than 715A.  And at current this high the coil core could have been saturated too (as Duff hinted at) so the coil's inductive reactance at the switch ON moment was way less than 376uH,  I mean very little LC tank reactance against the increasing current to be able to do useful current limit.

IF your 4700uF capacitor is an older type than its ESR value may be higher than what I considered, then the total current is proportionally less (say ESR=0.05 Ohm instead of 0.03 Ohm, then the peak current would be I=527.2 Amper, still a huge value to destroy the lowest ON value MOSFET first.   Indeed your failed test brought interesting learning.

Gyula
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: broli on February 18, 2012, 11:26:57 PM
Hi Lindsay,

I wondered on your fried 4 MOSFETs and decided to do some calculations.  I assumed 3 meter wire length for your coil from the 3mm wire, it may have 0.00712 Ohm DC resistance  (I used this calculator here: http://chemandy.com/calculators/round-wire-resistance-calculator.htm (http://chemandy.com/calculators/round-wire-resistance-calculator.htm) )

For the MOSFETs ON resistance, they have 0.075 Ohm each (from data sheet), 4 in parallel may have had 0.01875 Ohm (assuming the 4 FETs were equal).

Now the inner resistance of your 4700uF capacitor i.e. its ESR (Equivalent Series Resistance) value what we are also interested in and here is a link ( http://kakopa.com/ESR_meter/ (http://kakopa.com/ESR_meter/) )  where there is a table for the ESRs for different capacitor values, I chose the normal value: 0.026 Ohm what I rigorously rounded up to 0.03 Ohm to account for all your short connections too. 

Now the approximate peak current taken from the capacitor (charged to 40V) is I=40/(0.03+0.01875+0.00712)=40/0.05587=715.94 Amper.  This is too much for the MOSFETs because even if I consider their absolute maximum pulsed drain current of 4 times 150A (assuming fully equal ON resistances--unlikely they had), it would give 600 Amper (data sheet is here: http://www.vishay.com/docs/91217/91217.pdf (http://www.vishay.com/docs/91217/91217.pdf) where the 150A pulsed drain current rating is tied to pulse duty cycle, see Fig. 11).

If you had less than 3m long 3mm wire than the peak current could have been higher than 715A.  And at current this high the coil core could have been saturated too (as Duff hinted at) so the coil's inductive reactance at the switch ON moment was way less than 376uH,  I mean very little LC tank reactance against the increasing current to be able to do useful current limit.

IF your 4700uF capacitor is an older type than its ESR value may be higher than what I considered, then the total current is proportionally less (say ESR=0.05 Ohm instead of 0.03 Ohm, then the peak current would be I=527.2 Amper, still a huge value to destroy the lowest ON value MOSFET first.   Indeed your failed test brought interesting learning.

Gyula

Good analysis you did there.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: 27Bubba on February 19, 2012, 12:10:01 AM
Hi Lindsay, I thought Ali mentioned wire size used on coil was 18 Avg =  1.024mm diameter wire. Hope this helps. Sorry about the Mosfets.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 19, 2012, 05:05:17 PM
@poynt99
As far as 800W output sim file is concerned, dont waste your time on that. It is unstable schematic. Damping occurred after 4 minutes in my case. However schematic of 42 W output is stable. I made it the hardware run for 1 and a half day and the bulb was continuously lighting.

What happened after the 1 and a half days? Did it quite running?

.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: dole on February 19, 2012, 09:11:54 PM
Hi,
I was very concern about 337 uH and so far I did not even try so low inductance. ( I am at mH range)
For those who want to “save” FG I may suggest hex Schmitt trigger HCF40106B, what I tried as FET driver at 50% duty cycle.
First I wanted to see if there is any relation at resonance frequency of the tank circuit
(capacitive and inductive reactances equal to each other so the total impedance will increase),
but I am not sure if this is possible with a square wave (Gyula ?)
I may only report that I was able to hold around 4-5V in 4700 uF capacitor without R.
But changing properties of tank circuit this was even not possible at all, so it may be that there is some relation there.
So far nothing miracle and I did not burn anything jet :)
But no rush there is only one week left and Ali will be safe home and uncover everything….. I guess.
d.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: gyulasun on February 19, 2012, 11:36:53 PM
Hi Dole,

If you go up with the coil in the mH range from the 330-350uH values (this latter depends on the preferable measured 18uF capacitor),  then you inrease the resonant impedance of the LC tank circuit. 
Here is a link, unfortunately it needs Windows Internet Explorer to run it, it is able to calculate the resonant impedance of a parallel LC circuit once you give it the coil series resistance (the DC resistance is already ok to be in the ballpark).
http://www.thetaeng.com/calc_LC_tank.htm (http://www.thetaeng.com/calc_LC_tank.htm)

And when you increase the resonant  impedance in this circuit then the current taken from the 4700uF capacitor will be less of course when the MOSFET switches ON.  If we knew how long the 1mm wire Ali had in his coil, we could calculate the DC resistance, hence we would know his tank circuit's resonant impedance at 2 kHz.  From the link I gave in earlier post, a 3m long 1mm diameter copper wire has got 0.064 Ohm DC resistance,  let's 'ruin' this to 0.07 Ohm, this results in 278.5 Ohm resonant impedance when the L=351uH and C=18uF.  So this 278.5 Ohm is which  governs the current via the switch when it is controlled by 1kHz, the current taken from the 4700uF in this case is 40V/278.5Ohm=143.6mA. 
Now if you have say a 3mH coil with 1 Ohm DC resistance, then your tuning cap value is about 2106nF and the resonant impedance 1424.5 Ohm, much higher than with the 351uH coil  (OF COURSE this impedance strictly depends on the actual wire resistance either Ali or you actually have got).

You ask on the square wave drive if it creates resonance, yes it does, no problem. 

Gyula
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: dole on February 20, 2012, 01:28:55 AM
@Gyula
Thanks, I perfectly understand all that you are saying but as I see it from my testing the biggest problem is the tuning.
At the point when I am out of the resonant pulse, there will be a large increase of 4700uF dissipation due to decrees of
LC resistance and not only that but this will immediately destroy parallel LC oscillation and result in FET overload.
Theoretically at the resonance LC resistance = infinite, but I was never able to get there.
Finally mixing this with nonlinear R (load) in the series LCR seems not so easy to achieve!?

So it must be some way to self-tune to this nonlinear oscillation (Gyula ?) because we are in the real world and not in an ideal simulation.

But with hard work.. maybe :)
d. 

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 20, 2012, 01:44:32 AM
So I took the plunge and downloaded Multisim in order to see what is going on with Ali's OU simulation.

There are a number of simulation settings that Ali changed when compared to the standard default settings, but only one had the effect of enabling the continuous oscillation, and it is the RETOL setting. This can be found in the "Simulate->Interactive Simulation Settings->Analysis Options tab->Use custom settings-> customize...->Global tab".

The default setting for this is a value of 0.001, whereas Ali has it set to a magnitude higher at 0.01. This is the limit at which NI recommends you set it, but evidently, this setting causes excessive errors in Multisim, because changing this parameter in OrCad PSpice does NOT cause this error of continuous oscillation. This explains why Ali did not upload an equivalent OrCad file. btw, increasing RETOL should only be done when convergence is a problem, but this circuit converges just fine with the 0.001 setting.

IMHO, Multisim is a cumbersome program to use in comparison to OrCad PSpice. It seems to have some limitations as well, but it does have some modern (but minor) features that PSpice seems to be lacking. And now having seen this error in the coding, I'd say Multisim is well suited for educational purposes, but it's not a serious engineering tool.

See the attached for a little info on the "RETOL" parameter.

Sorry Ali, tweaking a faulty program to coax it into doing something it shouldn't be capable of, doesn't cut it in terms of making a claim of OU imo. But kudos to you for finding and exploiting that flaw. ;)

Now, if you can show a video of this actual circuit continuously powering a load, then we will have something of real interest to discuss.  ;D

Regards,
.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: JJUK on February 20, 2012, 10:02:45 AM
Like .99, I'm looking forward to seeing the video that Ghazanfar has promised us on return from his offsite operations. When can we expect that Ghazanfar? I think we're pretty close to 3 weeks now.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: gyulasun on February 21, 2012, 12:23:36 AM
...
At the point when I am out of the resonant pulse, there will be a large increase of 4700uF dissipation due to decrees of
LC resistance and not only that but this will immediately destroy parallel LC oscillation and result in FET overload.

 Hi Dole, 
 
 These 3 things: detuning the LC tank from the real input frequency and the increase of the current taken from the 4700uF and possible FET overload are connected to one thing: the much lower LC tank reactance away from its resonance and you surely know this, I mention just to emphasize. The resonant voltage across the LC tank cannot develop when either the input frequency does not match the LC's resonant frequency or the LC tank circuit is not tuned to the input frequency: in both cases the LC tank is not a 'tank' and has low reactance, this means it can pass high current.
 
 
 
Quote
Theoretically at the resonance LC resistance = infinite, but I was never able to get there.
Finally mixing this with nonlinear R (load) in the series LCR seems not so easy to achieve!?

So it must be some way to self-tune to this nonlinear oscillation (Gyula ?) because we are in the real world and not in an ideal simulation.

But with hard work.. maybe :)
d.

 I think we can rightly forget about the theoretical LC behaviour when we build such circuits, we are in the real world indeed with lossy components, no wonder you cannot find huge resonant voltage across the LC tank if this is what you mean. 
 The bulbs are indeed nonlinear loads and when they are cold at first switch-on, they have much less resistance of course, behaving as a 'more severe', a heavier load, then their resistance increases as the current heats them up (if enough current is available).
 It would be good to know whether the nonlinear load behaviour is needed for this circuit or a constant load (like a high wattage 150 Ohm linear resistor) would just be also fine.  Further considerations could surely be made on what you call 'self-tune to the nonlinear oscillations'  but this is too early as yet I think.  IF you do not have a scope to see the waveforms as shown in the simulation, then all what you can do to be sure you have the LC tank in resonance is using an LC meter and tweak the values as Ali described earlier (a 18uF capacitor is not easy to find, you may have to assemble it from several pieces in parallel,  and your some mH coil is way too high with respect to Ali's uH (347-367) value,  though it might work with mH coil too, who knows...
 
 rgds,  Gyula
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on February 21, 2012, 07:55:26 AM
4.7uF x 4  ;)
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 21, 2012, 08:11:11 PM
4.7uF x 4  ;)

Translate?
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: gyulasun on February 21, 2012, 09:09:13 PM
poynt,

Forest referred to my last post where I wrote to dole that it was not easy to find a 18uF capacitor and could be assembled from several pieces. 

 4 times 4.7 gives  18.8uF,  close enough.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: dole on February 21, 2012, 11:04:39 PM
Hi Gyula
 Thank you very much for your time and all writings. I do not have anything to say,
 everything is just perfectly correct and only the worst thing is left.. to do it properly.
 Actually this may not apply directly to Ali-OU, but more like ultimate principle of electromagnetic resonance.
 As I see it, all around us are just pure capacitance and this must be only way extracting it.
 But I (we) first need to start crawl before I can even try to go.
 Yes, I have 18uF AC and the others, many ferrite cores and type of FET’s (including IRFP 260/264).
 I was playing with “my incorrect” Tesla stuff for a while but that’s enough.
 Messing with TV signals and destroying WLANs. I felt it not correct, almost like throwing 100 stones (SG) and one or two will hit the wine glass,
 I am thinking now at only tiny one, with the exact enough energy at right place.
 I will come back to you with more questions but my problem is time as I cannot buy the money or the time.
 
 1-    2044Hz- Initial test of HCF40106B as MOSFET driver measured at coil (not good 50%, fixed with better C&R)
 2-    4700 uF oscillation, much slower than LC tank, yes there is spikes there I have somewhere better picture but dies due to not sustain LC tank
 3-    LC tank – not nice so no picture jet :)
 4-    Something to try later
 
 Xdole (http://www.youtube.com/user/Xdole?ob=0&feature=results_main)
 
 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: AbbaRue on February 25, 2012, 05:09:33 AM
Here is a circuit I made with Circuit Simulator v1.5n

http://www.falstad.com/circuit/ (http://www.falstad.com/circuit/)

It puts out 1600W from only 28 watts input.
Test this in these other simulators and see if you get these results as well.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: broli on February 25, 2012, 09:27:06 AM
So Ali we're 3 weeks later, I hope you will upload those videos now.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 25, 2012, 03:09:10 PM
Show your wave forms and power calculations/wave forms please.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: wings on February 25, 2012, 06:32:20 PM
Here is a circuit I made with Circuit Simulator v1.5n

http://www.falstad.com/circuit/ (http://www.falstad.com/circuit/)

It puts out 1600W from only 28 watts input.
Test this in these other simulators and see if you get these results as well.

regarding 8 lightbulbs load resistance
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2071/1582918380_9bd8356cf0.jpg (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2071/1582918380_9bd8356cf0.jpg)



In a light bulb, the resistance of the filament wire will increase dramatically as it warms from room temperature to operating temperature.[/size]
http://cnx.org/content/m32840/latest/
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: AbbaRue on February 27, 2012, 12:54:40 PM
I didn't use light bulbs in the simulation, I used a 575 Ohm resistor.   
I just wrote 8 light bulbs there in the text to represent what could be used as a high voltage load. 
To see the wave form and other outputs, just enter the drawing into the simulator here:

  http://www.falstad.com/circuit/ (http://www.falstad.com/circuit/) 

The whole purpose of this example was just to show that simulators based on math can be fooled. 
A circuit needs to be built in the real world to check it's validity.   
When I tried building this circuit I didn't get anything close to OU out of it. 
But I wanted to know if those other simulators you are using give similar results. 
It's a way to see if they can be fooled as well.   

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 27, 2012, 01:54:47 PM
I didn't use light bulbs in the simulation, I used a 575 Ohm resistor.   
I just wrote 8 light bulbs there in the text to represent what could be used as a high voltage load. 
To see the wave form and other outputs, just enter the drawing into the simulator here:

  http://www.falstad.com/circuit/ (http://www.falstad.com/circuit/) 

The whole purpose of this example was just to show that simulators based on math can be fooled. 
A circuit needs to be built in the real world to check it's validity.   
When I tried building this circuit I didn't get anything close to OU out of it. 
But I wanted to know if those other simulators you are using give similar results. 
It's a way to see if they can be fooled as well.

How did you calculate the power?
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on February 27, 2012, 04:47:48 PM
Yes, simulators can provide erroneous results, but remember it is THE USER who is inputting the data, and the program is providing results based on the inputs. So garbage in, garbage out.

Also, it may be premature to state that the results are erroneous, without seeing how the results for Pin and Pout were obtained.

If you'd kindly elaborate on that we can then determine where the problem is.

.99
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Flux It on February 27, 2012, 05:30:54 PM
Here is a circuit I made with Circuit Simulator v1.5n

http://www.falstad.com/circuit/ (http://www.falstad.com/circuit/)

It puts out 1600W from only 28 watts input.
Test this in these other simulators and see if you get these results as well.

If you create a circuit you can always go to file/export and post the code then anyone can go to file/import and see exactly what you did.

$ 1 5.0E-6 10.20027730826997 50 5.0 43
r 192 96 400 96 0 10.0
s 400 96 464 96 0 1 false
w 192 96 192 368 0
c 192 368 400 368 0 1.4999999999999999E-5 -4.70985115271391
l 400 96 400 368 0 1.0 0.02389824292666378
v 464 368 464 96 0 0 40.0 5.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
r 400 368 464 368 0 100.0
o 4 64 0 35 20.0 0.05 0 -1
o 3 64 0 35 20.0 0.05 1 -1
o 0 64 0 35 0.625 0.05 2 -1
h 1 4 3

This sim is fun to play with as you don't fry parts but there are a lot of things it does not take into account.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: JacaP30 on February 27, 2012, 11:35:22 PM
$ 1 5.0E-6 1.0312258501325766 50 5.0 50
165 304 192 336 192 2 0.0
w 368 160 272 160 0
w 304 224 272 224 0
w 304 288 272 288 0
w 304 320 272 320 0
w 272 288 272 320 0
r 272 160 272 224 0 10000.0
r 272 224 272 288 0 10000.0
c 272 320 272 416 0 1.2000000000000002E-7 4.3185904689491865
g 272 416 272 432 0
r 432 256 544 256 0 435.0
t 544 256 608 256 0 1 -12.99999999997825 2.167999999950509E-11 100.0
r 608 272 608 400 0 1.4
r 720 240 720 400 0 575.0
w 608 240 720 240 0
l 608 240 608 160 0 0.0050 -0.022608695652273914
w 368 160 608 160 0
s 608 160 720 160 0 0 false
v 736 160 720 160 0 0 40.0 13.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
g 736 160 736 208 0
g 720 400 720 432 0
g 608 400 608 432 0
o 10 64 0 35 7.62939453125E-5 9.765625E-5 0 -1
o 15 64 0 35 7.62939453125E-5 0.1 1 -1
o 13 64 0 35 20.0 0.1 2 -1



 :-[   Well it is supposed to be?
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: AbbaRue on February 28, 2012, 09:56:07 PM
Here is the text file for the simulator.


$ 1 5.0E-6 6.450009306485578 64 7.0 50
165 368 288 384 288 0 13.0
w 368 320 336 320 0
r 336 320 336 384 0 10000.0
w 336 384 368 384 0
w 336 384 336 416 0
w 336 416 368 416 0
c 336 416 336 480 0 1.2E-7 4.8195399334074835
g 336 480 336 496 0
r 336 320 336 256 0 10000.0
w 336 256 432 256 0
l 608 256 608 336 0 0.0050 0.38279558642927525
w 608 336 704 336 0
r 704 336 704 432 0 575.0
g 608 432 608 464 0
g 704 432 704 464 0
v 688 304 688 256 0 0 40.0 13.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
g 688 304 688 320 0
s 608 256 688 256 0 0 false
w 432 256 608 256 1
x 715 412 793 415 0 12 Load 2x 100W
x 716 425 821 428 0 12 lightbulbs in series
x 695 272 732 276 0 14 + 13V
w 544 352 560 352 0
t 560 352 608 352 0 1 0.6709557540387573 0.7273222594775242 100.0
r 496 352 544 352 0 435.0
r 608 368 608 432 0 1.4
o 6 32 0 43 10.0 0.0015625 0 -1
o 15 64 1 35 40.0 9.765625E-5 1 -1
o 12 64 1 35 2560.0 9.765625E-5 2 -1
o 12 64 0 35 1280.0 3.2 3 -1
o 22 64 0 33 2.5 0.05 4 -1


Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: AbbaRue on February 28, 2012, 11:05:50 PM
@JacaP30
Your posted circuit has no output coming from the 555 timer to the Transistor.
The latest version of the simulator have added the RST pin to the 555 timer.
This pin has to be connected to the Positive input to set it high for the 555 timer to work.
When I designed this circuit they didn't have the RST pin included as you can see if you copy and paste my text. 


@poynt99
I didn't calculate the power input or output, the simulator does that for you. 
Clicking on the 575 Ohm resistor select "View in Scope" and select "Show Power Consumed" 
It reads 1.61 kW. 
And the 13V input reads 27.9 W which can also be calculated by 13V x 2.15A across the switch. 


@All
Perhaps the simulator isn't really in error.   
If you look at the output scope waveforms, you can see they are very short pulses with large spaces between.
The scope is reading the peak of the pulses.   
But the spaces between pulses indicated that time is exchanged for voltage increase,
so it all works out even in the end.
28W of input over time is being released as a 1600W pulse.

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on February 28, 2012, 11:44:58 PM
well, it's like charging cap and then ring down in tank circuit  :P energy in cap is low but oscillations in tank takes long to diminish. all is fine this is RESONANCE POWER and works with VERY STABLE LOAD
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: JacaP30 on February 28, 2012, 11:49:39 PM
$ 1 5.0E-6 37.11724081536377 47 7.0 50
165 160 128 176 128 0 0.0
w 160 160 128 160 0
r 128 160 128 224 0 13800.0
w 128 224 160 224 0
w 128 224 128 256 0
w 128 256 160 256 0
c 128 256 128 320 2 8.16E-8 7.331555589896209
g 128 320 128 336 0
r 128 160 128 96 0 5200.0
w 128 96 224 96 0
l 400 96 400 176 2 0.004889999999999999 0.36718631157293774
w 400 176 496 176 0
g 400 272 400 304 0
g 496 272 496 304 0
v 480 144 480 96 0 0 40.0 13.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
g 480 144 480 160 0
w 224 96 400 96 1
x 487 112 524 116 0 14 + 13V
w 336 192 352 192 0
t 352 192 400 192 0 1 -26.640385884920914 1.939999999970189E-11 100.0
r 288 192 336 192 0 388.0
181 496 176 496 272 0 661.6251692927772 100.0 120.0 0.4 0.4
w 400 208 400 272 0
w 400 96 480 96 0
o 6 32 0 299 10.0 7.8125E-4 0 -1
o 14 64 1 299 80.0 9.765625E-5 1 -1
o 21 64 0 35 320.0 3.2 2 -1
o 21 64 1 35 640.0 9.765625E-5 3 -1


Why not light?   ;)
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Flux It on February 29, 2012, 03:46:52 PM
$ 1 5.0E-6 37.11724081536377 47 7.0 50
165 160 128 176 128 0 0.0
w 160 160 128 160 0
r 128 160 128 224 0 13800.0
w 128 224 160 224 0
w 128 224 128 256 0
w 128 256 160 256 0
c 128 256 128 320 2 8.16E-8 7.331555589896209
g 128 320 128 336 0
r 128 160 128 96 0 5200.0
w 128 96 224 96 0
l 400 96 400 176 2 0.004889999999999999 0.36718631157293774
w 400 176 496 176 0
g 400 272 400 304 0
g 496 272 496 304 0
v 480 144 480 96 0 0 40.0 13.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
g 480 144 480 160 0
w 224 96 400 96 1
x 487 112 524 116 0 14 + 13V
w 336 192 352 192 0
t 352 192 400 192 0 1 -26.640385884920914 1.939999999970189E-11 100.0
r 288 192 336 192 0 388.0
181 496 176 496 272 0 661.6251692927772 100.0 120.0 0.4 0.4
w 400 208 400 272 0
w 400 96 480 96 0
o 6 32 0 299 10.0 7.8125E-4 0 -1
o 14 64 1 299 80.0 9.765625E-5 1 -1
o 21 64 0 35 320.0 3.2 2 -1
o 21 64 1 35 640.0 9.765625E-5 3 -1


Why not light?   ;)

Your lamp is at 120 volts and the warmup time is longer than your oscillation try this-

$ 1 5.0E-6 37.11724081536377 47 7.0 50
165 336 192 352 192 0 0.0
w 336 224 304 224 0
r 304 224 304 288 0 13800.0
w 304 288 336 288 0
w 304 288 304 320 0
w 304 320 336 320 0
c 304 320 304 384 2 8.16E-8 5.243997315932939
g 304 384 304 400 0
r 304 224 304 160 0 5200.0
w 304 160 400 160 0
l 576 160 576 240 2 0.004889999999999999 8.861926450542796
w 576 240 672 240 0
g 576 336 576 368 0
g 672 336 672 368 0
v 656 208 656 160 0 0 40.0 13.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
g 656 208 656 224 0
w 400 160 576 160 1
x 663 176 700 180 0 14 + 13V
w 512 256 528 256 0
t 528 256 576 256 0 1 -16.047444480213848 1.939999999970189E-11 100.0
r 464 256 512 256 0 388.0
181 672 240 672 336 0 254122.78869531673 100.0 12.0 0.0040 0.4
w 576 272 576 336 0
w 576 160 656 160 0
o 6 32 0 299 10.0 7.8125E-4 0 -1
o 14 64 1 299 160.0 9.765625E-5 1 -1
o 21 64 0 35 160.0 12.8 2 -1
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: lancaIV on March 01, 2012, 08:58:44 PM
About "calculating the input power":
www.rexresearch.com/kanarev2/kanarevpulsemtr.htm    "PULSE POWER" 
the difference between f. e. pulse power  max 15KW and pulse power average 144W and real power input 1,4W  !

Sincerely
                CdL
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: broli on March 03, 2012, 06:55:23 PM
I don't want to be that pushy annoying guy. But what happened Ali?
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: 27Bubba on March 03, 2012, 07:34:10 PM
I wonder the same? I'm trying to be as delicate as I can. Does he having second thoughts about his invention!!...   ;)
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on March 03, 2012, 07:47:08 PM
Too much paranormal effect last day, Alien or MIB take him down...   :o


Seriously, it's very curious, that a guy post a FE circuit, make extraordinary claims and disappear like this...
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: poynt99 on March 03, 2012, 08:25:28 PM
Seriously, it's very curious, that a guy post a FE circuit, make extraordinary claims and disappear like this...

Not actually, that happens a lot in these circles. And they don't disappear because the MIBs got them.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on March 03, 2012, 09:19:59 PM
Yeah, in short it isn't working...  :-[
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Flux It on March 04, 2012, 12:39:13 AM
Well either way, most would get something they thought worked and then try to get the patent lawyer involved.

I will at least give him credit for trying to contribute, and who knows maybe something will come of it later on  ;)
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on March 04, 2012, 10:35:29 AM
this is common
once circuit can be scaled inventor dissapear because he is busy converting it into bussiness
the question arise : are the anybody active here with working device , or here are left only those who dream about it..... :-[
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on March 04, 2012, 11:42:13 AM
Quote
once circuit can be scaled inventor dissapear because he is busy converting it into bussiness


And it's here that most inventor are threatened or killed...
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on March 04, 2012, 02:39:24 PM
Here I must say : Thank You to all those inventors who are still with us and helping even if in twisted way.
Thank You Tito L.Oracion. I salute You  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on May 12, 2012, 08:04:40 PM
No my Dear Friends. I m still alive. Just busy in a commercial grade product.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: broli on May 12, 2012, 08:14:12 PM
Could you give a more complete update please because it's quite strange to suddenly disappear into thin air, after planning to post videos and more information, and to suddenly reemerge a couple of months later.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on May 13, 2012, 12:08:01 PM
I was busy finalizing my device. In fact I shared it with a company and now sharing the patent in a few days. there was a drawback that the mosfets got heated due to high current drain and capacitor with initial charge used to lose its energy. So I altered the output stage and followed Zilano technique and achieved fly wheel effect to make it a pure self running device. Its just ingenuity of your mind that u have a starting point from me to end up with a good result.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: cyber19 on May 13, 2012, 12:55:37 PM
I was busy finalizing my device. In fact I shared it with a company and now sharing the patent in a few days. there was a drawback that the mosfets got heated due to high current drain and capacitor with initial charge used to lose its energy. So I altered the output stage and followed Zilano technique and achieved fly wheel effect to make it a pure self running device. Its just ingenuity of your mind that u have a starting point from me to end up with a good result.

What is your self running output?
Please share a list of components to self run.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: kEhYo77 on May 14, 2012, 12:06:06 PM
Sup Y'All!

I didn't know where to put it so here it is...
It uses the same principle described in this thread and is based in some way on the Infinite Power Supply idea.
I present only the idea without pointing to specific components.
This is suppose to be a push-pull inverter stage on the 2 opposing primary coils (i.e. audio type transformer in reverse).
The coils cannot be in a form of a center-tapped primary.
Drive it with short pulses, alternatively, reserving some time for the inductive kick to charge a mirror battery, probably through a choke (not shown)
in order to minimize the current hitting the battery (when for instance gel cell are used).


Secondary winding of this transformer is not shown here...


I bought some beefy IGBTs rated 1200V and same rated fast switching diodes...
Time to experiment!  8)
 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: e2matrix on May 14, 2012, 08:27:45 PM
Good to see Ghazanfar_Ali is back.  It made no sense from any view point I could imagine that he was just scamming us.  I hope he realizes the difficulty in getting this circuit into the hands of people who really need it if it is not open sourced.   The planet will suffer and it's people will suffer unless it is shared.  He of course can still make good money in many ways from the information as discussed in many threads here.   If it is not shared I'll bet some sharp people here will be able to figure out what is relevant from Zilano's posts here:  http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4864-donald-smith-devices-too-good-true-2.html
 
Note also that Slovenia and some others have condensed all her posts into a document that can be found somewhere in that thread. 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: energia9 on May 14, 2012, 09:20:00 PM
Fe device...
maybe..
Or?
 
 even using 2x 9v bateries its possible to light a 40 watt incandescent lightbulb, for short period of time but still.
see
 http://laserhacker.com/SuperJouleRinger2.html
 go to 10:40 in the video

question-
how long did the bulb lit from the same battery?

 what type of battery was used?
 

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on May 14, 2012, 10:39:05 PM
OK Guys ! Here is the secret

Make an oscillator say 15KHz freq. It is driven by a 12 V DC source capable of giving 2A current. The waveform produced by osc must be a sinusoidal. Step up the signal using a fly back transformer. Rectify the high voltage output using a series of diodes. store the charge in a Cap bank. Use a spark gap to quench the charge. the spark gap will be parallel to the cap and the pri of an isolation transformer. This produces a very very large voltage spike again and again at much larger freq say 35KHz. Step it down to use more current and low voltage. (Zilano's and Don Smith's secondary windings). and give HF driven load of 2KW. use the further step down to get rectified 12 V from the output and feed it back to input through a diode and a 4700uF electrolytic cap. Remove the battery source and see the magic.
u require fine tuning of tfr 1 and tfr 2.
All is the game of resonance.
Good Luck
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on May 14, 2012, 10:40:32 PM
Thank you Mr Nikola Tesla !
GBU
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on May 14, 2012, 10:49:50 PM
My country is the biggest sufferer of electricity short fall these days. Where out of 24 hours people have to sweat in summers for avg 18 hours. And I am really working hard on finalizing this product so that everyone should be able to cut off from and independent of the main grid of Power Mafia.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: joefr on May 14, 2012, 11:11:03 PM
Hi Ali

Thank you for disclosure the secret

I have one question?

What core are you using for stepdown transformers Tr1 and Tr2
Air core, ferite core or soft iron core or some other material?

JoeFR
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: cyber19 on May 15, 2012, 12:02:27 AM
Is there a high frequency sound while running?
How long before the commercial units are available?
What is your projected price for the commercial 2kw units?
Will the commercial units be scalable to 10kw?
Could you connect multi 2kw units in parallel to obtain 10kw?
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: e2matrix on May 15, 2012, 05:59:08 AM
My country is the biggest sufferer of electricity short fall these days. Where out of 24 hours people have to sweat in summers for avg 18 hours. And I am really working hard on finalizing this product so that everyone should be able to cut off from and independent of the main grid of Power Mafia.

It's sad that there are so many still suffering due to the energy cartels.  In some places it is also the opposite where we suffer to stay warm enough to keep from freezing.  Either condition would be solved with low cost or free energy.  The one who brings the solution to the world will be a true hero.  I think there are many solutions on the near horizon but one of the best IMO will be a solid state self running device.  Best of luck in finishing up your product. 

I have one question in regards to the latest info you gave as the 'Secret'.   How would this attach to your original circuit?  Or is this essentially the new revised circuit in whole? 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: DilJalaay on May 15, 2012, 02:43:17 PM
My country is the biggest sufferer of electricity short fall these days. Where out of 24 hours people have to sweat in summers for avg 18 hours. And I am really working hard on finalizing this product so that everyone should be able to cut off from and independent of the main grid of Power Mafia.


AOA,
Ali, can i meet you or can we talk on phone regarding your FE device.
My contact no is 0345-9045302 and am a bio-medical engineer.
I will love to work together with spirit to solve our country problems.


Thanks and best regards,
D.J
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: e2matrix on May 15, 2012, 07:52:59 PM
Ghazanfar Ali,  I would suggest due dilligence in responding to DilJalaay.  While his intentions may be perfectly good please be aware there are certainly people who watch these forums who work for the 'Power Cartels'.  If they believe you have something that will threaten their profits they would do anything to find out who you are and where you are to make sure your invention never sees the light of day.  Along comes DilJalaay with his first and only post asking to make direct contact with you by voice phone.  Red flags should be going up.  Please verify who this person is by other means before making such contact.  It is also well known to never post your phone number openly in forums so either this person is clueless about that or they have an agenda which is not good.  In consideration of who Bio-medical engineers normally work for and what they do I would be suspicious of that alone even he does not directly have wrong intentions. 
 
   Apologies in advance to DilJalaay if you have fully good intentions but you need to realize your approach here would raise big red flags for anyone who has been around these forums for any time.  I'm trying to make sure Ghazanfar Ali does not disappear never to be heard from again.  You need to give him a way to verify who you are, what you do and what your associations are and that would be best started by email. 

UPDATE: PLEASE NOTE Ghazanfar Ali,   I will not change my post above as it's a good overall reference for many people and situations HOWEVER I see now that DilJalaay has been on energeticforum.com for well over a year and has been involved in the Don Smith thread over there and he found this thread because of a message I made over there.  So I will lower the paranoia level by several steps and would say you can do the same but it may still be good to make contact first by email. 
Apologies again to DilJalaay as I did not realize you had been active at EF.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on May 16, 2012, 12:44:25 AM
Hi Ali

Thank you for disclosure the secret

I have one question?

What core are you using for stepdown transformers Tr1 and Tr2
Air core, ferite core or soft iron core or some other material?

JoeFR


Dear JoeFR
Tr1 is nothing just an oscillators output given to a Flyback transformer
Tr2 is based upon Zilano's instructructions as he mentioned in PJKBook. you can download the latest edition from:-


http://www.free-energy-info.com/PJKBook.html

Read under Don Smith's device

(A PVC filled with Copper rods or ferrite rods)
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on May 16, 2012, 12:55:47 AM
Is there a high frequency sound while running?
How long before the commercial units are available?
What is your projected price for the commercial 2kw units?
Will the commercial units be scalable to 10kw?
Could you connect multi 2kw units in parallel to obtain 10kw?

Yes the L1 and L2 sing and even spark gap also sounds. Shielding is must as the harmful radiation may effect skin and also damage some electronic devices and storage media devices. I lost my two HDDs while experimenting the version 1.

It depends upon the first prototype's presentation. I have a meet with a senior official of the company next week.

I will make the schematic an open source coz I can feel Power Mafia is in action around me. So u  will be able to rebuild it in your garage.
It costs around 200 to 300 bucks not more than that.

What I planned and the schematic I made provides 500amps as per calculation. Which cannot be handled easily. So u can well imagine that how much could be the power. But I am not going into High power product for safety.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on May 16, 2012, 01:04:46 AM
It's sad that there are so many still suffering due to the energy cartels.  In some places it is also the opposite where we suffer to stay warm enough to keep from freezing.  Either condition would be solved with low cost or free energy.  The one who brings the solution to the world will be a true hero.  I think there are many solutions on the near horizon but one of the best IMO will be a solid state self running device.  Best of luck in finishing up your product. 

I have one question in regards to the latest info you gave as the 'Secret'.   How would this attach to your original circuit?  Or is this essentially the new revised circuit in whole?

Thanks for the wish. Yes Dear this device is different from the one i posted earlier. My that device was unstable and i was using IRFP264s for switching where as later on I realized that there is no alternative to a spark Gap. So I switched over to Zilano circuit. I am using Flyback tfr in driving stage and rest of the circuit is a close replication of Don Smith and Zilano's device. But over all credit goes to Late Nicola Tesla. I am a great fan of his.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on May 16, 2012, 01:08:04 AM

AOA,
Ali, can i meet you or can we talk on phone regarding your FE device.
My contact no is 0345-9045302 and am a bio-medical engineer.
I will love to work together with spirit to solve our country problems.


Thanks and best regards,
D.J

DJ I will send to u my Men and a Vehicle and they will bring you to my Installation. Are u in Peshawar?
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on May 16, 2012, 01:11:09 AM
Ghazanfar Ali,  I would suggest due dilligence in responding to DilJalaay.  While his intentions may be perfectly good please be aware there are certainly people who watch these forums who work for the 'Power Cartels'.  If they believe you have something that will threaten their profits they would do anything to find out who you are and where you are to make sure your invention never sees the light of day.  Along comes DilJalaay with his first and only post asking to make direct contact with you by voice phone.  Red flags should be going up.  Please verify who this person is by other means before making such contact.  It is also well known to never post your phone number openly in forums so either this person is clueless about that or they have an agenda which is not good.  In consideration of who Bio-medical engineers normally work for and what they do I would be suspicious of that alone even he does not directly have wrong intentions. 
 
   Apologies in advance to DilJalaay if you have fully good intentions but you need to realize your approach here would raise big red flags for anyone who has been around these forums for any time.  I'm trying to make sure Ghazanfar Ali does not disappear never to be heard from again.  You need to give him a way to verify who you are, what you do and what your associations are and that would be best started by email. 

UPDATE: PLEASE NOTE Ghazanfar Ali,   I will not change my post above as it's a good overall reference for many people and situations HOWEVER I see now that DilJalaay has been on energeticforum.com for well over a year and has been involved in the Don Smith thread over there and he found this thread because of a message I made over there.  So I will lower the paranoia level by several steps and would say you can do the same but it may still be good to make contact first by email. 
Apologies again to DilJalaay as I did not realize you had been active at EF.  Cheers!

Thanks for your concern. I understand the risk. I will be careful.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: energia9 on May 16, 2012, 02:27:28 AM
if you have a working one, please be very careful, i suggest not to meet anyone or believe anyone from the net.
the internet is a very dangerous place...
also if you would like open source and make Nikola teslas dream come true.  do it as soon as you can....!
nobody can make money from this machine, its not because of patent rights, but simply,  its against The scheme of society's mind.

a society with free energy, is a different world,  where no mafias cartels or whatever exists. 
money becomes obselete, governments collapse, 
a resource people based economy takes its place
a society with clean energy from the environment is more concious about everything.

a society which is not held back from real development will reach the stars sooner you would ever think!

ladies and gentleman i hope that 2012 will really be marked in history as they speak..


Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: cyber19 on May 16, 2012, 02:33:34 PM
Ali,

Please provide size and weight specifications.

Do you have a video of the unit working for the 1st and the current unit?

If your device is real: It cost a few hundred dollars to apply for a patent "Ali Generator". Then you can produce and sell the units under a "patent pending" and even provide a copy of the patent application on this site. Then it can not be stopped and you are protected too. I beleive some countries automatically file for international patents when a patent is filed but I do NOT know which ones.

Basic advice: Make a patent application as general and broad as possible to cover all variations, changes and modifications and applications including just as a booster. Use generic terms for components. Do NOT specify winds and turns or specific component numbers. Seldom can anyone replicate a working unit from a patent, that is part of the intent.

What you can get from this site is advice and product development like they are doing with the "Joule Lamp". It looks like they can run a 13 watt CFL on 4 or 8 AA batteries. These will make a great camping lanterns and nice flashlight with LEDs as well as provide "off the grid" lighting.   

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on May 16, 2012, 03:58:48 PM
Ali,

Please provide size and weight specifications.

Do you have a video of the unit working for the 1st and the current unit?

If your device is real: It cost a few hundred dollars to apply for a patent "Ali Generator". Then you can produce and sell the units under a "patent pending" and even provide a copy of the patent application on this site. Then it can not be stopped and you are protected too. I beleive some countries automatically file for international patents when a patent is filed but I do NOT know which ones.

Basic advice: Make a patent application as general and broad as possible to cover all variations, changes and modifications and applications including just as a booster. Use generic terms for components. Do NOT specify winds and turns or specific component numbers. Seldom can anyone replicate a working unit from a patent, that is part of the intent.

What you can get from this site is advice and product development like they are doing with the "Joule Lamp". It looks like they can run a 13 watt CFL on 4 or 8 AA batteries. These will make a great camping lanterns and nice flashlight with LEDs as well as provide "off the grid" lighting.


Well I dont think so Joule Lamp is still a challenge for us. I made a Joule Lamp a couple of years ago and it was quite simple. I still remember the components. I got a schematic from internet how to lit a few bright LEDs using  power from telephone line. I got around 5V from that circuit when hooked up in the telephone line. I fed those 5 V DC to input of a camera flash circuit instead of Bright LEDs and removed the 300uF, the neon indicator  and rectifier diode from the output stage  and gave that output to a CFL (CFL's internal circuit was also removed). The output of the flash circuit with 5V DC from telephone line was around 1000V with very small current. The CFL was 15 W and used to glow (not 100% bright but with sufficient light to find things under the bed). The bulb got fused after a few days due to incoming AC ringing voltage. The circuit was safe. It is just the ingenuity of mind. One can replicate it easily and can use AC voltage limiters to the circuit during incoming call. There was a little hum in the telephone line due to that. I used to switch off the circuit before making and attending the calls. Simple isn't it. Free Energy is every where. and very few knows that the best source is the telephone line though illegal in a few countries to be used for other devices.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: cyber19 on May 16, 2012, 04:06:48 PM
Ali,

Do you have a working "Ali Generator" unit? Yes or NO

The joule-lamp thread on this site is here:

http://www.overunity.com/12340/joule-lamp/

Also look at Lasersaber Super Joule Ringer 2.0
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on May 16, 2012, 04:52:11 PM
No the one I made was burnt up. That forced me to switch over to Don Smith's device. But u can see the video of its replication by Duff on youtube.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: cyber19 on May 16, 2012, 05:46:48 PM
Ali,

I am trying to come up with a positive response but I keeping coming back to needing a different procedure to make things happen correctly. I am not sure this sites software is stable enough. I probably need to find another site or someone willing to build another site with an area just for developers.

Not everyone is greedy. There are people on this site with experience across a large range including production, administrative and patent.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: wopwops on May 16, 2012, 05:56:25 PM
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No the one I made was burnt up.

At least the punchline comes after only 17 pages...
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: RAD-HHO on May 16, 2012, 07:10:17 PM
No the one I made was burnt up. That forced me to switch over to Don Smith's device. But u can see the video of its replication by Duff on youtube.

Sorry, I dont mean to be negative, but I don't see 100 Watts of light. It doesn't take much to light these bulbs. I made this short video to show how little it takes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB7YdJJhQHg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on May 16, 2012, 10:07:27 PM
Sorry, I dont mean to be negative, but I don't see 100 Watts of light. It doesn't take much to light these bulbs. I made this short video to show how little it takes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB7YdJJhQHg&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB7YdJJhQHg&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

U can see the shadows' density cast by the glow in Duff's video and can easily have a rough idea of lumens. Camera amplifies the glow as it also captures near IR spectrum. The brightness of the bulb can be estimated by the shadow's density.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on May 16, 2012, 10:11:31 PM
At least the punchline comes after only 17 pages...

It depends how one puts my statement in one's mind. Punch line for few and nothing for others. As readers of my thread know that I talked about its instability earlier also and mentioned before too that it was burnt up.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: broli on May 16, 2012, 10:51:51 PM
I'd much rather have a small unit, outputting say 10W of self looped power, shipped to a credible community member than pictures or videos of an alleged machine. It is almost insulting to see you went for a patent to be honest.

100 years of history, especially people on this forum should know better than to repeat the same frigging mistake over and over. Why can't people understand this; you can't "bring it to market", not this kind of technology, not with the conventional way of handling things!
Not ONE person has ever succeeded, why do people f*cking ignore history, why???

We live in the information age for gods sake if Tesla had the Internet at his disposable we wouldn't be talking about this. Show that your tech works without a doubt by third party testing, there are community members abound who can do that. Let it go viral, then start a kickstarter project for producing say 100 or even 1000 units, I'll even donate to that. And see it explode. Use the fucking Internet!

Now to go cool my head off.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: TheCell on May 16, 2012, 11:20:59 PM
<Quote Broli>
 Not ONE person has ever succeeded, why do people f*cking ignore history, why???<Quote Broli End>
 In another subject : the rotoverter quite a few people have succeeded. So there you have your example. Won't go into detail you got to do your work yourself.
 
 @Ali : seems that a user in the energetic forum confirms your setup. (#223)
Could you draw a schematic? Is earth ground needed?
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on May 17, 2012, 05:15:09 PM
@ All
why I am getting help from the senior Director of that xyz company. Coz I dont have sufficient funds left with me to buy a few needed components. For u guys 100 bucks are nothing but for me one buck is of Rs 90 approx its hell of a thing. Secondly I require high voltage test equipment and components which are not available to me in my country. That company has its own R&D Lab. So what could I do. One Idiot asked me to share the schematics and in response he promised me that he will send me some funds. Later I received stupid queries from him which a normal person can easily comprehend by looking at the schematics. He never sent me the funds for that. Whom I trust? I lost my expensive Data plus my 2 x HDDs of 2TB each during the test. Suffered weird hallucinations. and I really left the experimentation for a couple of months. But now I again appeared with my Idea I have and meanwhile tried to get hold of a company which I am not sure that will help me out in real sense ..... and u guys are writing strange to me. Is it better that I dont waste my time writing to this thread and do work in isolation but how with no moral and financial support. The person who can manage to keep only US $ 20 in his pocket to spend the whole month on it after paying heavy taxes and electricity bills (Though Electricity is available just for 6 hours in a day here), how u can expect that soon he will show u the first prototype of his self running OU device.
i need someone trustworthy to support and assist me. and one thing more Pakistanis have much more talent and they are not  Dysfunctional Society. 
The only Dilemma is that War and Terrorism has been imposed upon us by that Mafia about which Late President J.F. Kennedy once said that That mafia controls the governments, their ways to rule and if u go against their plans they will wipe u off. and he was wiped off after giving this statement.
God Bless Us All.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on May 18, 2012, 01:56:07 PM
I perfectly understood your situation. Personally the lack of help and people mockery force me to slowdown or even (I hope not) abandon research. Some partial apparata now are lying in dust for more then a year. Sometimes it takes me a month to buy a bunch of tiny wire or one transistor because the nearest electronic shop is 100 km away and I have no money so I have to collect.
Anyway It might be that electronic will not save us because of solar eruption wipeing all electronic parts.  :P 


Btw I'm trying to replicate similiar circuits (there are many from russian fellows) when approximated sinewave 230V output is powering inverter in self-loop with proper filter (some magic is here probably , because it is used to charge 25V electrolytic capacitor )  :o
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 18, 2012, 02:03:31 PM
Ali, maybe Dr. Jones could assist you:
 
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11661.0;topicseen (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11661.0;topicseen)
 
He is giving small grants to worthy applicants last time I checked.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on May 18, 2012, 03:19:40 PM
Ali, maybe Dr. Jones could assist you:
 
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11661.0;topicseen (http://www.overunity.com/11661/new-renaissance-prizes-offered-to-encourage-energy-experimenters/topicseen/)
 
He is giving small grants to worthy applicants last time I checked.

No he couldn't. I wrote him email and he never replied to me. Secondly someone on his behalf sent me Jone's terms and conditions upon which he could assist me. His first requirement was to ship to him,  the working device first, across the oceans :p
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on May 18, 2012, 03:26:44 PM

Anyway It might be that electronic will not save us because of solar eruption wipeing all electronic parts.  :P 



Is that really true? Coz I do believe that next mass extinction (Last one was Noah's Flood) will be due to either Massive Solar Activity or a Great War just after Appearance of a Red Star / Comet as predicted by our Religious Scholars 1300 years ago.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on May 19, 2012, 10:17:04 AM
danger is real but I think God will help us ,we need just more good people like you
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: e2matrix on May 19, 2012, 08:02:45 PM
No he couldn't. I wrote him email and he never replied to me. Secondly someone on his behalf sent me Jone's terms and conditions upon which he could assist me. His first requirement was to ship to him,  the working device first, across the oceans :p
Hmmm.... that does not sound like Dr. Jones to ignore any email.  I'd try again.  PM him or try using a different email.  Do you know the person who sent you Jone's terms?  If not it might be someone trying to block your progress.  You need to get  in direct communication with Steven Jones.  He is a very altruistic person who has a sincere mindset to help free energy move forward and can help at least in some ways I believe.  Of course he is no fool and would need to know he is not just sending materials or money to anyone so I can understand he needs some proof of what you have.  But if you start talking with him maybe you can work something out that will help. 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on May 21, 2012, 06:41:31 PM
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-13-14587-Swat-engineer-designs-power-generator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKjDgT5kpAk

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on July 28, 2012, 07:58:02 PM
The probe is not connected. placed 10 inches away from L1. Prob attenuation = 1x
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on July 28, 2012, 08:50:17 PM
The setup.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: FatBird on July 29, 2012, 02:20:41 PM
Please post a schematic so we can test your results.
 
Thanks.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: e2matrix on July 29, 2012, 08:14:54 PM
Welcome back.  Does the circuit in the pictures here have something to do with your original circuit posted on page 1 ?   That circuit didn't seem to have much in the way of capacitors but you sure have a lot in that picture.  Please give some more information on what is in this picture and if it's related to your original circuit.  What is the circuit and scope showing?

My first thought when I saw the picture is this is something you would defintely NOT want to try to take through airport security - LOL.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: TinselKoala on July 30, 2012, 06:27:11 AM
Ghazanfar_Ali..... I have just read this entire thread and the links referenced therein, and viewed the videos, and even downloaded and installed Qucs on my system.

I have studied the image above and the scopeshot.


I think you are a joker. Like all other "self running free energy" electronic devices on this forum.... your circuit needs an external battery or power supply to run. You tweaked your sim settings to produce some kind of "rounding error" type of non-convergence. Too bad you can't do that with reality.

Hey, I've got spring-assisted gravity wheels that run forever in Phun/Algodoo, and I didn't even have to tweak any parameters. Should I get all the Besseler fans all het up about it, trying to build something real that works the same way? And then show them something I gnawed out of cardboard and plasticine, stuck together with sticky tape and blu-tack, along with a picture of my Etch-a-Sketch as proof?

Sorry, but after seeing that picture of your apparatus, it is especially difficult for me to take you seriously. You can solder components together with a hot nail heated in a charcoal fire using solder stolen from your plumbing and flux made from vinegar and tabouleh, you know.

OK, carry on, and I will be looking forward to seeing your video of your device lighting up those bulbs with no continuing power input.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: callanan on July 30, 2012, 10:09:55 AM
I think some credit should go to this guy for being the first to make a coil made of string....

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Lakes on July 30, 2012, 11:13:54 AM
The Goodies - It might as well be string. :)
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on July 30, 2012, 04:55:53 PM
Ok for a few great scientists above. If they consider me a joker so let them be happy to admit myself that I am. And who understand my work they know I m not . Bezzel wheel was made long time ago my dear. And this forum covers solid state devices. Secondly these pics above have nothing to do with my earlier schematics. And coil is not made up of threads. If U improve ur eyesight the insulated wire is in between each turn of the thread. Thread here is just a separated to increase Q. I stopped posting my threads to avoid comments of people like U who know nothing except jeering upon others work. I never forced U to waste ur time reading my thread. Let me do my work. The people with wisdom know that my earlier cct needs just an SG to do rest of the magic. God Bless U All.
 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Dave45 on July 30, 2012, 07:07:18 PM
Mr Ali I think you were right by not using an lc circuit with your primary I think this is where most have gone wrong, let me explain when current passes through the primary in one direction the fields of the primary are oriented in one direction but when collected in a cap and returned through the coil the fields are reversed, if the secondary's are wound in one direction they will recieve the energy from the primary in only that direction when the current is reversed and the fields are reversed the secondary's are not wound for that direction, so you are only collecting energy every other pulse.
By using a flywheel configuration on the primary the secondary's receive every pulse, and if your coils are in resonance they will establish a resonant lock but with alternating current you cannot establish a resonant lock because the primary is switching its fields every other pulse.
If you want to use a lc circuit on the primary you would need to wind the secondary's with a caduceus winding, this way your secondary is oriented right for the changing fields.
We will find the answer and it can be understood.
take care
keep up the fight
dave


Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on July 30, 2012, 07:43:49 PM
@Dave
Thanks for an informative reply. I intentionally avoid Caduceus Coil to be used as Secondary as I worked a lot on it and this type has its strange properties. I really want to avoid Scalar waves and Temporal disturbances therefore I am working on Don Smith's technique of CW+CCW secondary with a center tap.
Kind Regards
Ghazanfar

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: TinselKoala on July 30, 2012, 07:47:41 PM
Ok for a few great scientists above. If they consider me a joker so let them be happy to admit myself that I am. And who understand my work they know I m not . Bezzel wheel was made long time ago my dear.
OK, whenever somebody brings up Besseler as "support" for their claims.... bells should ring.
 And your thread title is what? It refers to a device that is NAMED AFTER YOU: a second bell should ring. And it refers to utilizing trapped energy.... well, show it being utilized. We can see that there is a lot of UNUTILIZED reactive power looping around in your tank circuit. So? Let's see you utilize it..... without additional power input AS YOU CLAIM TO BE ABLE TO DO. My dear.
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And this forum covers solid state devices. Secondly these pics above have nothing to do with my earlier schematics.
So you post schematics of one thing, run away for months, then come back and post pictures NOT of what you started the thread with, but some other device. Like I said.... would you like to see my Etch-a-Sketch? Off topic, or not?
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And coil is not made up of threads. If U improve ur eyesight the insulated wire is in between each turn of the thread. Thread here is just a separated to increase Q.
Do you have any idea how to increase Q? From looking at your picture, I guess not. You are indeed a joker, and perhaps a parrot as well.
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I stopped posting my threads to avoid comments of people like U who know nothing except jeering upon others work.
You stopped posting because people were asking you hard questions like wanting to see your sim files and wanting to see YOUR PROMISED VIDEO of a working device.  And if you think that I know nothing of this kind of work .... then you know nothing of me.
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I never forced U to waste ur time reading my thread. Let me do my work. The people with wisdom know that my earlier cct needs just an SG to do rest of the magic. God Bless U All.
Well.... you've got your Spark Gap now, don't you. SHOW IT WORKING, powering a load, DOING ITS MAGIC, without any continuing power input. Or are you no longer claiming that?

You've invented the CW radio transmitter, Ali. If you hook your "unhooked" scope probe to a piece of aluminum foil, you will pick up your oscillations even further away.

God bless U 2. And if you want Q, clean up your layout and solder those caps together. Lose the string, use Litz wire to wind your coil, wind with 2 parallel strands simultaneously, spray with Krylon to secure to form... then REMOVE one of the strands and respray. Now you will have a perfectly spaced coil with HIGH Q.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Dave45 on July 30, 2012, 08:03:27 PM
@Dave
Thanks for an informative reply. I intentionally avoid Caduceus Coil to be used as Secondary as I worked a lot on it and this type has its strange properties. I really want to avoid Scalar waves and Temporal disturbances therefore I am working on Don Smith's technique of CW+CCW secondary with a center tap.
Kind Regards
Ghazanfar
If using a cw and ccw coil as secondary's you must realize, as you have, that you cannot use a lc circuit on the primary and also that you are creating two different types of electricity that will not run with each other, the cw coil will run back to itself to complete the circuit but will not run with the ccw coil, the opposite of the same is true.
A bucking coil as the primary and two secondary's wound the same cw or ccw will create a dc system and will run from one secondary to the other to complete the circuit.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on July 30, 2012, 09:06:22 PM
@TinselKoala
Keep ur ideas and comments with you. If u know how to increase the Q do it urself. Dont waste your time and mine writing that much long comments here where u will not get something to earn money. Get a fresh lemonade cool your upper chamber down and concentrate in your own work. I will appreciate if u get something outta my this reply.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on July 30, 2012, 09:24:29 PM
@Dave
Joining two far ends of CCW and CW coils u get desired voltage with high amps between center tap grounded and two common ends provided u use a thick wire gauge and keep the combo tanks in resonance. But we cannot eliminate capacitance by using only inductance. Even an alone inductor is again an LC Tank circuit with very low parasitic  capacitance (usually in pF for an air core L). If u see the ringing signal I got on Oscilloscope it shows approx 8 cycles till it damps completely. Where as a rough calculation is that if I get 10 cycles in one damping function and last cycle's amplitude is 1/e times the amplitude of 1st or 2nd cycle (which is usually equal to input signal which I cant calculate due to nonavailability of high voltage probe) the Q is 10. Its less than 10 n the case of my setup so far.

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: TinselKoala on July 31, 2012, 12:39:24 AM
@TinselKoala
Keep ur ideas and comments with you. If u know how to increase the Q do it urself. Dont waste your time and mine writing that much long comments here where u will not get something to earn money. Get a fresh lemonade cool your upper chamber down and concentrate in your own work. I will appreciate if u get something outta my this reply.

Demonstrate that your claims are true.

Then I'll buy you a lemonade.

If you cannot demonstrate that your claims are true..... then you buy the lemonade... and keep ur ideas and comments with you.

I will appreciate it if you demonstrate your claims.... show your "self runner"..... show your device lighting up some bulbs without continuous input power.

OR ADMIT THAT YOU CANNOT.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Magluvin on July 31, 2012, 03:12:27 AM
If using a cw and ccw coil as secondary's you must realize, as you have, that you cannot use a lc circuit on the primary and also that you are creating two different types of electricity that will not run with each other, the cw coil will run back to itself to complete the circuit but will not run with the ccw coil, the opposite of the same is true.
A bucking coil as the primary and two secondary's wound the same cw or ccw will create a dc system and will run from one secondary to the other to complete the circuit.

I am putting together a CW /CCw secondary, with the 2 coils connected in the middle, for 1 of my projects. If the primary is in the middle between the Cw/CCw, the magnetic field of the primary produces opposing voltage polarities on the CW/CCW, where the 2 coils are connected in the middle, the voltage polarity is the same, and the outer ends are the opposite.  The idea of the project for me is  to see if there are any effects by having the 2 coils joined at the middle, and the direction of the 'electrical' fields working in opposite directions next to each other. It is an unusual situation that may be more than just 2 coils canceling each other out.

Making a coil such as this might seem useless if we first think of what might happen if we apply input to it from end to end. Like for example, if we wind a coil single layer 100 turns. then wind another layer over that layer opposing winding, Cw/CCW , if we connect the ends together and apply input, there would be little to no mag field. So why build it? Why do we see that others use it?

Well maybe its has something to do with electrical charge between the 2 series CW/CCW coils that may have some effects that we are not aware of, if we are not looking for them or knowing they are there. 

I have read some articles that claim that one coil produces high amperage, and the other high voltage. It doesnt make much sense as each coil is the same turns and size wire. But I have read several claims.

Another article seems to imply that the coil setup can become a self oscillator, and to use a spark gap to kill it so it doesnt build to high. ;] Gotoluc had what seemed to be a self runner with a toroid core with opposing windings.

Either way, Im giving it a go.

Some versions the output is drawn off of 1 of the coils and the other is left open ended.
One has a cap across one of the coils and the other is applied to a load.

Just things Ive read so far. Also one of the circuits that Stiveps team from the Kapanadze thread presented a while back, utilized an open ended half of a similar CW/CCW coil. But what for?  I guess we gota find out.

Mags
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on July 31, 2012, 03:38:06 AM
I am putting together a CW /CCw secondary, with the 2 coils connected in the middle, for 1 of my projects. If the primary is in the middle between the Cw/CCw, the magnetic field of the primary produces opposing voltage polarities on the CW/CCW, where the 2 coils are connected in the middle, the voltage polarity is the same, and the outer ends are the opposite.  The idea of the project for me is  to see if there are any effects by having the 2 coils joined at the middle, and the direction of the 'electrical' fields working in opposite directions next to each other. It is an unusual situation that may be more than just 2 coils canceling each other out.

Making a coil such as this might seem useless if we first think of what might happen if we apply input to it from end to end. Like for example, if we wind a coil single layer 100 turns. then wind another layer over that layer opposing winding, Cw/CCW , if we connect the ends together and apply input, there would be little to no mag field. So why build it? Why do we see that others use it?

Well maybe its has something to do with electrical charge between the 2 series CW/CCW coils that may have some effects that we are not aware of, if we are not looking for them or knowing they are there. 

I have read some articles that claim that one coil produces high amperage, and the other high voltage. It doesnt make much sense as each coil is the same turns and size wire. But I have read several claims.

Another article seems to imply that the coil setup can become a self oscillator, and to use a spark gap to kill it so it doesnt build to high. ;] Gotoluc had what seemed to be a self runner with a toroid core with opposing windings.

Either way, Im giving it a go.

Some versions the output is drawn off of 1 of the coils and the other is left open ended.
One has a cap across one of the coils and the other is applied to a load.

Just things Ive read so far. Also one of the circuits that Stiveps team from the Kapanadze thread presented a while back, utilized an open ended half of a similar CW/CCW coil. But what for?  I guess we gota find out.

Mags


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! correct then wrong;  ::)
else
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            :-X
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 ;)
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Magluvin on July 31, 2012, 04:12:10 AM

{


! correct then wrong;  ::)
else
      {
            :-X
      }

}


 ;)

Sooo, I shouldnt build it?

MaGs
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on July 31, 2012, 04:39:21 AM
No! just do not connect the ends together but the end of the primary and the beginning of the secondary and serve as a waiter kicker converter and a;sdjhgioesytwierthkwertbdnf cv,msgfierrutiweytrqoeiur13-984549687543685545jttrjgkdfnglsdfgldjhgf;alkhgfdhgf;aoutireuteioutrpiutoitoqieutwoetokalkjdfds
dsflkasjflasjfasjflsjdf
dfgjrentre,mtndfhguryh,hgfjldgfnajgjafgn 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Dave45 on July 31, 2012, 04:41:22 AM
I believe the homopolar generator is the model that we need to emulate with our pulsed coil system, here is an interesting and simple experiment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njWwyynLrdo&feature=uploademail not mine but notice the polarity's.
Think of the shaft as the primary and each side of the magnet as cw and ccw wound secondary's, this is the way energy flows in a magnetic field we want to seperate the poles.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Dave45 on July 31, 2012, 04:52:36 AM
Using the homopolar configuration as the model, lets look at a normal transformer we have a primary wound cw and a secondary wound ccw so we are using only one side of the homopolar model.
We need to pull energy from both sides, I think Floyd Sweet taped the other pole as well as Leedskalnin.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Magluvin on July 31, 2012, 04:57:59 AM
No! just do not connect the ends together but the end of the primary and the beginning of the secondary and serve as a waiter kicker converter and a;sdjhgioesytwierthkwertbdnf cv,msgfierrutiweytrqoeiur13-984549687543685545jttrjgkdfnglsdfgldjhgf;alkhgfdhgf;aoutireuteioutrpiutoitoqieutwoetokalkjdfds
dsflkasjflasjfasjflsjdf
dfgjrentre,mtndfhguryh,hgfjldgfnajgjafgn

I dont know what a waiter kicker converter is. Looked it up and dont see anything.

And, bdnf cv,msgfierrutiweytrqoeiur13-984549687543685545jttrjgkdfnglsdfgldjhgf;alkhgfdhgf;aoutireuteioutrpiutoitoqieutwoetokalkjdfds
dsflkasjflasjfasjflsjdf
dfgjrentre,mtndfhguryh,hgfjldgfnajgjafgn 

Doesnt ring a bell either. ;]

MaGs
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on July 31, 2012, 05:07:40 AM
Sorry buddy but a little step more, then your there,
your really a good and brilliant person i know you can decipher it.  ;) [size=78%]  [/size]
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on July 31, 2012, 08:24:59 AM
Ok Mags CASE CLOSED you opened Pandora Box
 ;D ;D ;D

What is the source of Lenz law ??? OF COURSE ELECTRONS, THEY ARE LEEDSCALNIN MAGNETS
We really have 4 forces in Faraday induction law that's why two situations are described.
2 fields : magnetic and electric free in space and two fields bounded to electrons inside wire, or two EM fields such polarized around conductor because of electrons inside.

Now what is really happening here ? We generate a changing in time magnetic field from electrons in primary, which produce electric field pushing electrons in secondary, they flip and show us ugly magnetic side which acts against electrons in primary pushing them in such direction which maintain balance of forces, the delay is what we use as a current will flow for a moment. Then power source give us more electrons on primary and next pulse is done.
However it will stop working if frequency is too high for a given material because electrons cannot flip so fast and move so fast (or rather pass the wave of current). I believe this is then DC current.

Roughly like that,

P.S. Mags - Tesla invented this as always  :P   DC current induction
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on July 31, 2012, 09:37:04 AM
As per Don Smith's Teaching:- the two coils side by side in CW and CCW fashion and with same number of turns once connected in such a way that say two ends of CW are 1 and 2 and those of CCW are 3 and 4. 2 and 3 are connected making a center tap and 1 and 4 are connected together. We can get maximum output between the two ends then which are 1-4 and 2-3. And this happens only and only when the coil is in resonance state. At rest of the freqs both the fields will cancel each other. Dave45 gave a very good hint to avoid these cancellation effects and the only solution is resonance through a caduceus coil. Caduceus coil has weird magnetic properties and the new field which is produced is scalar in nature often called Zem field. It has electrogravitic properties once pulsed in the range of micro-wavelength.

Here in schematic the Pri is supoosed to be fed through a train of pulses from 0v to +V. Duty cycle 50% and freq has to be the resonant freq found separately for LC pri and LC sec using a function generator and an Oscilloscope.
Kind Regards
Ghazanfar Ali
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Dave45 on July 31, 2012, 01:52:19 PM
We are so close, we must realize the magnetic field is bipolar, asymmetrical and we have to use both.
I think it can be done with coils, but I really feel the answer is in ice, everyone has read the passage in Job and the Lord said the answer is withheld until its time.
I have played with it some and found it can be structured with a magnetic field and can conduct electricity if structured, I also feel once structured its a superconductor.
I dont think we have figured out how ice produces a charge in a thunderstorm im not sure but I have a suspicion ozone (high oxygen content) is playing a roll here. 
This is the area Im going to work in for now, if its time then its time

His Word is eternal
dave
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Dave45 on July 31, 2012, 02:04:31 PM
Think about it if structured, Zero resistance
They say that one side is cold, whatever you pull off one side is mirrored on the other side.
Look at a crystal radio the crystal is only receptive to one angular direction, both are found in nature but only the cw angular direction is harvested for radio's
They say the ice moves vertical through the thunderstorm that means its also cutting the magnetic field lines of our giant magnet we live on.
Iv been very busy with work here lately but I will get back to it soon.
take care
dave
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: ramset on July 31, 2012, 02:44:57 PM
Mags
For your dedication above and beyond the call of Duty
Dad wants you to have the "Golden Tolerance " award !!
 
Your perceverance is Astounding!!
 
Teetsla, Dad has something for you Too !!
A "spanking" !!
 
For behavior above and beyond the call of Abuse ,a whole new realm of "Creepy Bad guy".
 
Your are with out doubt the Biggest 3$f$%@ H@&^$%t& $ihkjc$%o (Biggest3$f$745%@@&^$%t&0086$ihkjc$%o) on the block!!
 
 
Chet
 
PS
And Teets Your day in the limelight is drawing to an End [very quickly too]
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on July 31, 2012, 04:38:47 PM
@Ramset
I know Mr Ramset from Planet X speaking a non human language tries to communicate with intelligent beings from this planet. But unfortunately he and his a few sta-rship crew members are getting nothing from this thread for which I really feel sad and pity for them. They had a hope to cash the ideas of others which has been shattered. Freebies Seekers get nothing. One has to use his upper chamber by himself :D
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on July 31, 2012, 05:01:04 PM
@All
Let me clear a bunch of group, that this website has a feature of messaging privately to good and hardworking members of overunity.com And the posts of diagrams etc which I show here are for those with whom I am working through private messages. The reason of discontinuity to sequence in my posts is obvious for those who are not with me in my research team and emerging for the first time in my thread. And that is the pain they feel and post rubbish here. Get hold of someone very very stupid guy who will present his brain to u in a plate for stealing his ideas. All those with whom I share my ideas are putting in there effort in this field and I am highly obliged to them. They helped me a lot. I again request the administrator to keep a notice to such pathetic posts, coz this rubbish was not there a few months ago. But I cant do nothing if a sweeper gets registered with this forum and starts writing rubbish coz it is in his profession to play in rubbish and heap. If someone has become a hero member by increasing his number of posts, it doesn't mean that he is the only one Hero over here. So please do not disgrace others and yourself by posting rubbish coz then there is no difference between u and an immature Skunk.
Kind Regards
Ghazanfar Ali
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: ramset on July 31, 2012, 05:30:49 PM
Mr Ali
I appoligize for my post above ,I was honestly confused and thought I was in A "Tito" thread.
These threads have a strange history as well as a "lighter side" [the "TiTo"  threads]
 
A sincere and Humble appology sir,
 
Chet
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on July 31, 2012, 06:01:21 PM
As per Don Smith's Teaching:- the two coils side by side in CW and CCW fashion and with same number of turns once connected in such a way that say two ends of CW are 1 and 2 and those of CCW are 3 and 4. 2 and 3 are connected making a center tap and 1 and 4 are connected together. We can get maximum output between the two ends then which are 1-4 and 2-3. And this happens only and only when the coil is in resonance state. At rest of the freqs both the fields will cancel each other. Dave45 gave a very good hint to avoid these cancellation effects and the only solution is resonance through a caduceus coil. Caduceus coil has weird magnetic properties and the new field which is produced is scalar in nature often called Zem field. It has electrogravitic properties once pulsed in the range of micro-wavelength.

Here in schematic the Pri is supoosed to be fed through a train of pulses from 0v to +V. Duty cycle 50% and freq has to be the resonant freq found separately for LC pri and LC sec using a function generator and an Oscilloscope.
Kind Regards
Ghazanfar Ali

Wel.. are you sure about that in bold ?  ::) What I have learn from Tesla is that every problem has to most elegant and simple solution.

From his  autobiography "My inventions" we can read many many very subtle helping tips. The same from patents and lectures and articles.

I will give you one astonishing example: "Another discouraging feature of the high frequency alternator seemed to be the inconstancy of speed which threatened to impose serious limitations to its use. I had already noted in my demonstrations before the American Institution of Electrical Engineers that several times the tune was lost, necessitating readjustment, and did not yet foresee, what I discovered long afterwards, a means of operating a machine of this kind at a speed constant to such a degree as not to vary more than a small fraction of one revolution between the extremes of load."
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on July 31, 2012, 06:13:45 PM
@Forest
I personally designed a secondary with 7 turns CW and 7 turns CCW and I am getting 50 V between the two ends 1-4 and 2-3. Once I touch these two ends it gives a big sparks but there is no electric shock as the primary is in resonance at 39.1 KHz. But this low voltage at secondary is in the absence of a tunning cap in parallel and its obvious that the secondary is not in resonance with the primary. The max voltage and max current at resonance for such coil is the claim by Don Smith and Zilano as well. I still have to find out soon I get the secondary in resonance with primary. The desired cap I have to get.
Kind Regards
Ghazanfar Ali
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on July 31, 2012, 06:15:32 PM
@Ramset
No problem Dear. I also apologize for a rude comment.
God Bless U.
Ghazanfar Ali
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on July 31, 2012, 06:18:43 PM
@All
Let me clear a bunch of group, that this website has a feature of messaging privately to good and hardworking members of overunity.com And the posts of diagrams etc which I show here are for those with whom I am working through private messages. The reason of discontinuity to sequence in my posts is obvious for those who are not with me in my research team and emerging for the first time in my thread. And that is the pain they feel and post rubbish here. Get hold of someone very very stupid guy who will present his brain to u in a plate for stealing his ideas. All those with whom I share my ideas are putting in there effort in this field and I am highly obliged to them. They helped me a lot. I again request the administrator to keep a notice to such pathetic posts, coz this rubbish was not there a few months ago. But I cant do nothing if a sweeper gets registered with this forum and starts writing rubbish coz it is in his profession to play in rubbish and heap. If someone has become a hero member by increasing his number of posts, it doesn't mean that he is the only one Hero over here. So please do not disgrace others and yourself by posting rubbish coz then there is no difference between u and an immature Skunk.
Kind Regards
Ghazanfar Ali

Wow! I think your seem to overreact.I think ramset is honest and nice person and didn't wanted to distract your thread with bablish. He is just very emotional about Tito.
I responded because I know you and Dave and Magluvin are close... to something I believe Tito knew also..
I agree with this your statement : "Get hold of someone very very stupid guy who will present his brain to u in a plate for stealing his ideas." Every man putting his heart, time and everything else into inventing things should get the reward for his hard work.I saw many examples of dishonest and crude treatment of inventors.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on July 31, 2012, 06:29:12 PM
@Forest
No Dear I never write this for Mr Ramset. It was for those who work in Circus Shows.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: forest on July 31, 2012, 06:30:16 PM
@Forest
I personally designed a secondary with 7 turns CW and 7 turns CCW and I am getting 50 V between the two ends 1-4 and 2-3. Once I touch these two ends it gives a big sparks but there is no electric shock as the primary is in resonance at 39.1 KHz. But this low voltage at secondary is in the absence of a tunning cap in parallel and its obvious that the secondary is not in resonance with the primary. The max voltage and max current at resonance for such coil is the claim by Don Smith and Zilano as well. I still have to find out soon I get the secondary in resonance with primary. The desired cap I have to get.
Kind Regards
Ghazanfar Ali

Fine, but I think that was the same type of mistake Tesla did as I described  ::) You are limiting yourself to the setup requiring fine adjustment each time load is changed.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on July 31, 2012, 06:57:32 PM
@Forest
Yes I knew that this would be a challenge which I ll have to face. I have plans to see the system response on Resistive, Capacitive and Inductive loads individually and then their combos. If at all I manage to make it a self running machine I also know that it would be only when a fixed load is given to it and tune it for that. Once it will go in self running state then varying the load will shut it down. How about keeping  a few lights, fans and an LCD TV on forever. :)

Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: TinselKoala on July 31, 2012, 08:34:09 PM
Quote
@All
Let me clear a bunch of group, that this website has a feature of messaging privately to good and hardworking members of overunity.com And the posts of diagrams etc which I show here are for those with whom I am working through private messages. The reason of discontinuity to sequence in my posts is obvious for those who are not with me in my research team and emerging for the first time in my thread. And that is the pain they feel and post rubbish here. Get hold of someone very very stupid guy who will present his brain to u in a plate for stealing his ideas. All those with whom I share my ideas are putting in there effort in this field and I am highly obliged to them. They helped me a lot. I again request the administrator to keep a notice to such pathetic posts, coz this rubbish was not there a few months ago. But I cant do nothing if a sweeper gets registered with this forum and starts writing rubbish coz it is in his profession to play in rubbish and heap. If someone has become a hero member by increasing his number of posts, it doesn't mean that he is the only one Hero over here. So please do not disgrace others and yourself by posting rubbish coz then there is no difference between u and an immature Skunk.
Kind Regards
Ghazanfar Ali

Ah.... I see. Now you have explained ... that you are carrying on discussions in private emails and only posting _some_ of your information in public. In other words, you are concealing information and misleading those who aren't privy to your personal communications.

Thank you for being so honest. In this circus, it's hard to tell the monkeys from the skunks.... except by the smell of their mendacity.

Look on the Home Page of this Website, at the top. What does it say?

It says,
 
Welcome to OverUnity.com
The International Open Source Free Energy Research Forum
 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Qwert on July 31, 2012, 10:36:44 PM
...   ...

Does that mean that you created here a group to dupe the idea of this forum? From your text it's pretty easy to find out who the members are; I guess, one time they will dupe you.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on August 01, 2012, 01:31:22 AM
@Skunk
I damn care abt zoo life. Let me be in contact with civilized human beings at priority.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on August 01, 2012, 01:33:55 AM
@Skunk
I damn care abt zoo life. Let me be in contact with civilized human beings at priority.

And mind it I never mislead others. its your own state of mind coz u cannot think positive. Come out of the woods and be civilized.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on August 01, 2012, 04:43:38 AM
@All
Let me clear a bunch of group, that this website has a feature of messaging privately to good and hardworking members of overunity.com And the posts of diagrams etc which I show here are for those with whom I am working through private messages. The reason of discontinuity to sequence in my posts is obvious for those who are not with me in my research team and emerging for the first time in my thread. And that is the pain they feel and post rubbish here. Get hold of someone very very stupid guy who will present his brain to u in a plate for stealing his ideas. All those with whom I share my ideas are putting in there effort in this field and I am highly obliged to them. They helped me a lot. I again request the administrator to keep a notice to such pathetic posts, coz this rubbish was not there a few months ago. But I cant do nothing if a sweeper gets registered with this forum and starts writing rubbish coz it is in his profession to play in rubbish and heap. If someone has become a hero member by increasing his number of posts, it doesn't mean that he is the only one Hero over here. So please do not disgrace others and yourself by posting rubbish coz then there is no difference between u and an immature Skunk.
Kind Regards
Ghazanfar Ali


i'm sorry sir from being an immature skunk please accept my apology. :'(


chet and me are friends don't worry were just kidding. ;)
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on August 01, 2012, 08:09:42 AM
@Tito
My Dear I never said U R immature Skunk. That was not written for U. That was written for someone else who thinks he is a hero and live among parrots, monkeys and jokers. A hero who is in fact Zero and a Terror without T. Plz don't take it at heart I didn't write it for U Bro.
 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Jack Noskills on August 01, 2012, 11:57:59 AM
Ali, take a look what I discovered recently:
 
http://www.overunity.com/12487/simple-to-build-isolation-transformer-that-consumes-less-power-than-it-gives-out (http://www.overunity.com/12487/simple-to-build-isolation-transformer-that-consumes-less-power-than-it-gives-out)
 
With this method you can take power without affecting source which is the key to any OU system. I am using grid frequency and cores but dont see why it would not work at higher frequencies. There is no magnetic coupling with primary and secondary so what ever load you at secondary has no effect on primary because it is at another location. Working principle is to reach high impedance, tuning is not required, only high enough frequency to reach high impedance state.
You seem to have things going on so I would appreciate if you could take a look. Any comments and questions, then put it the thread.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Qwert on August 01, 2012, 01:16:31 PM
And mind it I never mislead others. its your own state of mind coz u cannot think positive. Come out of the woods and be civilized.
I don't see "skunks" in others, though some think it's civilized. Look through my posts at this forum: I don't use invectives on people. I see obvious facts. And I expose the facts. And I always quit when a quarrel escalates, even when it looks that I lose; just to preserve this precious Forum.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on August 01, 2012, 06:06:20 PM
@Qwert
Dear I know U since long and we have been interchanging info with each other. Even it was not U about whom I overreacted. If U look through my last three pages U will come to know who is polluting this thread with stupid remarks. I don't want to mention him but he knows whom I am talking about. Anyhow I am not a professional power engineer, my field is telecommunications and I am doing this research Coz of the need of the day. I successfully replicated STAAAR device but here I need more power. STAAAR device has its weird effects and I lost my precious data also. I left the research in between but again I restarted it through emails with a few of my friends here. And know doubt they helped me a lot. But I just posted two photographs recently for one of my friends whom I cannot send the attachments through message here. And my God, I received so many stupid and strange comments in my forum. I know there is always a jealousy a hatred once one is progressing and other do not. But I like it coz jealousy is allowed in the field of knowledge. Well I am at the very last stage of the replication and doing a no of trials to hit the bull's eye. And I know I will do it soon as I m very much close.
 
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Qwert on August 01, 2012, 07:55:01 PM
@Qwert...
It's a lesson: don't over-react; it's always better to ignore rather than to hurt somebody otherwise.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Dave45 on August 05, 2012, 05:23:32 PM
Assuming this is the structure of the magnetic field http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lggn6rbqPA4 and I think that it is we need to keep this in mind when winding our primary.
If this is truly the structure then leaving a gap in the middle of our primary would help split the poles (which is what we are trying to do)
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on August 05, 2012, 10:53:12 PM
Yes it is one way but it will waste a lot of space. I suggest a Smith (Tensor) Coil side by side with Secondary (CCW and CW). and both CW and CCW to be away from magnetic field of each other. so the best way is tensor coil in the middle.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Dave45 on August 06, 2012, 04:44:34 AM
The split centers the bloch wall in the primary and also allows it to be pulled apart.
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: DilJalaay on September 03, 2012, 04:36:45 PM
@Ghazanfar,
AOA,
Don Latest videos. i hope you enjoy bro.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE936468280B4BEED&feature=edit_ok

Regards,
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: DilJalaay on September 03, 2012, 04:39:40 PM

AOA,
Thanks for sharing your findings, and best regards,
D.J
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: DilJalaay on October 04, 2012, 09:50:51 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: segar on February 12, 2013, 09:34:34 AM
HI,Ali i have some question on the circuits you post, L1 what is the resistance?

induction: 337uH
resistant :?????

can you reply this thank you
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Abdullah Jin on June 13, 2013, 05:31:38 PM
Mr Ghazanfar Ali did u ask permission from Abdullah  ....And this against the principal of Law of conservation of energy ...... :o
Title: Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
Post by: Ghazanfar_Ali on December 04, 2013, 01:50:13 PM
@ Abdullah Jin
Oh My God. My Loving Sir. Its a great surprise for me. Of course once we go against the laws of physics we find the secrets of super nature. :)