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Offline Groundloop

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2012, 08:31:48 AM »
GL,

The 555 (or function generator) is running at 1KHz,  period is 1ms with .5ms on time.

As you say the tank is resonant at 2KHz but oddly the oscillations are at 1KHz

Included a scope shot from  v1_2.ms11 .

@Duff,

Thank you for correcting me on that one. You are right, the indicated input is 1KHz.
The unloaded L/C tank circuit will oscillate on approx. 2KHz, but I guess that if you
load the circuit then the resonant frequency will be much lower.

GL.

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2012, 09:45:22 AM »
@ All
I will soon make and upload the video as I am away from my home station where I placed the device. This device is very simple one and can be easily replicated.  Its free energy device and it must be free for all to be made and enjoy the gift of nature. I sent these simulation files while I am away from my home so that all of you can check the simulations, and can replicate the device. It really works. One more thing, since this device includes a tank circuit, the value for L1 and C1 can be any, resonant freq of which can be then fed in the form of pulses but here since pulses are at 50% duty cycle, the freq is reduced to half of the f0 of tank cct. This phenomenon is still not understood by me. I have further plans to replace L1 by a caduceus coil as primary and make it a step up current transformer. A few energy will be then fed to pulse generation cct which will make it 100% self running overunity device.

@hartiberlin, @Mannix and Qwert

Thanks for your kind consideration. I will soon send a replica to Dr Stephen Jones for further tests, I require around three weeks time to return to my home station as I am away at a remote station for an official WiMax  installation project assigned to me by my Boss where I am serving presently with a limited salary. I would have sent u these posts a bit late along with my video, but I was so excited that the day I designed the theoretical model I uploaded it. Later the day I made a successfully running hardware, I was sent to this place by my office. :) I understand your excitement and queries too. Plz dont worry, this device will be replicated by so many genius like u soon in their own labs. But do remember me in your prayers.
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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2012, 10:11:29 AM »
@All
U can use any n-MOSFET with high switching rate and current drain. IRFP260s were available to me. 264 can also be good. both have internal body zener diode which plays an important role to keep the capacitor C2 charged on every cycle and avoid damping. The energy bounces within the electronic and magnetic walls with a small leakage at ferrite core and in the form of current drain by the load. In fact. It is my three years research work when I was just giving pulses to and toroidal electromagnet and was getting high voltage kick offs on every falling edge of the pulses.

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2012, 11:01:56 AM »
Hi blocki!

Is that a pain-cake coil on the schematic? and how to design a coil with this specific precise impedance value? or checking that we have really obtain that value? only with special impedance-meters or signal generator to find the frequency resonance with a specific cap? :-\

Hi Khwartz :)

I only made another drawing of the schematic. I'm going to build it, I need to order the components.
The L1 you will have to design how Ghanzafar_Ali told us.

@27Bubba: Sorry, I made the drawing to fast, the Lamps should be X1,X2,X3 of course.
The points left is the pulse generator :)

@e2matrix: Yes the load should be indicated as resistors maybe. Ali told us in previous posts that the 150 Ohm is significant.

@broli: quote from Ali: C1 I used is non polar. 18uF IPC-7351 Tantalum C2 is 47mF electrolytic cap. 50V


Cheers! blocki

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2012, 11:31:06 AM »
@Ghazanfar Ali
 Attached is a compilation of all your posts out-of-this-thread placed in this Forum, through the date.
 

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2012, 12:28:09 PM »
Ok, many tests and adjusting the sim to my actual component vales an I find that, as expected the circuit operation totally relies on supplying some current to the float cap.

It seem to be a normal buck boost converter at this stage.
I am using a powersupply 2" torroid of 1300uh and 4mfd .

lots of heat and 1khz noise in the torroid

I think that the simulation does not account for the wire resistance at all ..as there are heavy pulse currents , wire resistance play a huge part ..The resistance of a wire carrying current increases with itself .. Perhaps this has been solved by Ali?

Ali, I would be happy to have some building tips .But  does seem to be a sim error so far
Confirmation of your build would be helpful as I have not  cleared the bench at this atage .

Just getting the circuit to self run from the dds generator would be amazing but losses within the torroid and wire prevent this as far as i can tell .

All, if you look at the current meters on the sim  even with no load you see many amps ..this is torroid current and seems unaviodable ..along with the Losses

I hope this takes  a different turn with some help from Ali'

Thanks in advance



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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2012, 01:19:45 PM »
Ok, many tests and adjusting the sim to my actual component vales an I find that, as expected the circuit operation totally relies on supplying some current to the float cap.

It seem to be a normal buck boost converter at this stage.
I am using a powersupply 2" torroid of 1300uh and 4mfd .

lots of heat and 1khz noise in the torroid

I think that the simulation does not account for the wire resistance at all ..as there are heavy pulse currents , wire resistance play a huge part ..The resistance of a wire carrying current increases with itself .. Perhaps this has been solved by Ali?

Ali, I would be happy to have some building tips .But  does seem to be a sim error so far
Confirmation of your build would be helpful as I have not  cleared the bench at this atage .

Just getting the circuit to self run from the dds generator would be amazing but losses within the torroid and wire prevent this as far as i can tell .

All, if you look at the current meters on the sim  even with no load you see many amps ..this is torroid current and seems unaviodable ..along with the Losses

I hope this takes  a different turn with some help from Ali'

Thanks in advance

I would go for a wire gauge that can handle at least 15+ amps, especially on your toroid. If the wire is too thick to be wound on one toroid more of them can be used in parallel. Which is in line with what Ali claimed to use SWG 18 or ~AWG 16.

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2012, 01:31:32 PM »
@ Mannix
"I am using a powersupply 2" torroid of 1300uh and 4mfd ."

Correct me if I'm wrong understanding this, is it the coil value supposed to be 337uH?



Thank you guys for addressing my questions. Somebody must keep me straight! ;D :D



@ e2matrix

"The two connection points on the left of the diagram are where you would hook up a signal generator or square wave signal input of some sort."


So.. If I understand this correctly, in order for it to start/work signal generator must be used?

Thanks

 

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2012, 01:35:23 PM »
Ok, many tests and adjusting the sim to my actual component vales an I find that, as expected the circuit operation totally relies on supplying some current to the float cap.

It seem to be a normal buck boost converter at this stage.
I am using a powersupply 2" torroid of 1300uh and 4mfd .

lots of heat and 1khz noise in the torroid

I think that the simulation does not account for the wire resistance at all ..as there are heavy pulse currents , wire resistance play a huge part ..The resistance of a wire carrying current increases with itself .. Perhaps this has been solved by Ali?

Ali, I would be happy to have some building tips .But  does seem to be a sim error so far
Confirmation of your build would be helpful as I have not  cleared the bench at this atage .

Just getting the circuit to self run from the dds generator would be amazing but losses within the torroid and wire prevent this as far as i can tell .

All, if you look at the current meters on the sim  even with no load you see many amps ..this is torroid current and seems unaviodable ..along with the Losses

I hope this takes  a different turn with some help from Ali'

Thanks in advance
Hi Mannix,
I'm not entirely clear on what you are reporting. You are saying the toroid coil is 1300 uH and a 4 mFd cap. Is this the setup of your tank circuit?
If so at what frequency are you driving it?
Have you precharged the capacitor? Is it running properly without any load?
I remember Ali saying he was using swg18 (1.2 mm) wire to handle the large current swings.
From this link I get that it is advisable to drive the core close to saturation: http://www.rexresearch.com/szili/szili.htm
Maybe you already thought of all of this otherwiae i hope it helps you (us) one way or the other.
Thanx for actual testing keeping us informed.


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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2012, 01:41:12 PM »
Hi Mannix,
I'm not entirely clear on what you are reporting. You are saying the toroid coil is 1300 uH and a 4 mFd cap. Is this the setup of your tank circuit?
If so at what frequency are you driving it?
Have you precharged the capacitor? Is it running properly without any load?
I remember Ali saying he was using swg18 (1.2 mm) wire to handle the large current swings.
From this link I get that it is advisable to drive the core close to saturation: http://www.rexresearch.com/szili/szili.htm
Maybe you already thought of all of this otherwiae i hope it helps you (us) one way or the other.
Thanx for actual testing keeping us informed.


Regards Dutchy

mFd is another notation for micro farad (uF) not to be confused with milli Farad (mF). Those values indicate his tank's resonance frequency to be around 2.2kHz. So the clock frequency of 1kHz should be appropriate.

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2012, 02:40:02 PM »
I think that the simulation does not account for the wire resistance at all ..as there are heavy pulse currents , wire resistance play a huge part ..The resistance of a wire carrying current increases with itself .. Perhaps this has been solved by Ali?

Ali, I would be happy to have some building tips .But  does seem to be a sim error so far

Indeed, wire resistance should always be included when simulations are made with inductors.

I wouldn't call this a "sim error" but I think I know what you mean. In actuality, the simulation is running properly, but something is not being accounted for. That "something" I suspect is an energy injection from the signal generator via the MOSFET input capacitance. That's one reason why the rise time set for the generator seems to affect the effect. It seems the conditions need to be "just right" in order for continuous oscillation to be achieved. I'm waiting for Ali to upload the working ORCAD file so I can confirm my hypothesis.

I can get a similar damped-oscillation effect by replacing the MOSFET with a "switch" with an added "body diode". In this case though, no energy can be imparted to the circuit from the signal generator.

Regarding the resonant tank, I think Ali is already close to optimal. Yes you can use several different combinations of L and C to achieve the same Fo, but the impedances will not be matched. With the present values of 18uF and 337uH, the impedance of each is close to 2 Ohms at 1kHz. This may be an important factor to making it work.

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2012, 04:28:20 PM »
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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2012, 04:30:41 PM »
That "something" I suspect is an energy injection from the signal generator via the MOSFET input capacitance. That's one reason why the rise time set for the generator seems to affect the effect. It seems the conditions need to be "just right" in order for continuous oscillation to be achieved.

Could be. I had earlier in some other circuits the same problems that the input capacitance of  MOSFETs always puts energy into the circuit.

But at 1 or 2 Khz this should be still a fairly low amount of energy and only in the MilliWatts region and Ali is claiming Watts in his output.

Also what he said:

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both have internal body zener diode which plays an important role to keep the capacitor C2 charged on every cycle and avoid damping.

seems to be very important, as this zener diode gives the LC circuit always a kick.

Ali, what function generator did you use to drive your circuit ?

Also what ferrite core did you use ?
How did you measure the uH value of this ferrite torroidal coil ?

Where did you get this ferrite coil from ?

Looking forward to your video.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2012, 05:25:51 PM »
Could be. I had earlier in some other circuits the same problems that the input capacitance of  MOSFETs always puts energy into the circuit.

But at 1 or 2 Khz this should be still a fairly low amount of energy and only in the MilliWatts region and Ali is claiming Watts in his output.

The frequency is of little consequence regarding how much energy it can impart to the circuit. On the rising edge of the function generator square wave, several tens of amperes can flow to the C2 reservoir capacitor through the MOSFET.

But yes, it seems unlikely that the generator could be supplying a continuous 800W of power. More investigation is necessary.

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2012, 06:33:47 PM »
@poynt99
As far as 800W output sim file is concerned, dont waste your time on that. It is unstable schematic. Damping occurred after 4 minutes in my case. However schematic of 42 W output is stable. I made it the hardware run for 1 and a half day and the bulb was continuously lighting.
@Stefan
I calculated the L1 using my LRC Meter. I dont beleive in dimensions or number of turns while making inductors coz there are a lot of parameters which have to be catered for. LRC meter is the best choice to measure correct inductance value. I used my Hantek DDS-3x25 Arbitrary waveform generator for my initial run. I was on my way of using a 555 Timer as PWM and a buffer based upon 2N2222A when I was asked to leave for the other station for an official project. Hantek 3x25 gives 3.5V (7Vpp) amplitude. I use Goltek Controller as the core software with it.
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