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Author Topic: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy  (Read 169876 times)

Offline Ghazanfar_Ali

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #60 on: February 06, 2012, 12:33:51 PM »
@ All.

There are energy fields yet to be discovered. A few have been discovered but laws of physics have been failed describing them. Examples are Zem field, Bifield Brown effect as further explored by J L Naudin by working on lifter projects.
U draw a long straight line in space, it will never be a straight line. U see straight towards sun rising from the east, but u dont know that your line of sight is not a straight path to the sun. Gravity has distorted everything in space including time, spatial distance and now even the light. C is no more a constant. E=mC^2 varies in different regions of space if m is kept constant.

You just have to give a resonant push to the atoms of an element i.e the freq at which the atoms vibrate in an element and you will get the energy.
If you are able to find the self resonance point of the ferrite toroid, put it in a tank circuit, pick the value of the C and L in such a way that f0 for LC tank is same as the self resonance of the ferrite toroid, U will get maximum energy. The matter of toroid decomposes on extracting excessive energy. This is NMR. And I think this device works on the same principle.

But there are more powerful energy fields still hidden.

O assembly of jinn and men! If you are able to pass through the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass through; you cannot pass through but with Sultan (The ultimate power / authority).
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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #61 on: February 06, 2012, 12:44:17 PM »
@Mannix
Try making L1 by winding 18SWG at 45 degrees slanted. This creates a spinning effect in the magnetic field of toroid.
Best of Luck.

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #62 on: February 06, 2012, 12:58:00 PM »
Forest,

If it works rose might  write the theory of "self running gizmos made by inspired neanderthals".
No Forest.  I'd give it a go but it's not neanderthals.  Nothing quite so interesting.  We're all mere mortals.  More's the pity.  But who knows?  I'll put money on it that you guys will get breakthroughs.  Just don't rely on Poynty's math to prove it - or disprove it - is all.

LOL
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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #63 on: February 06, 2012, 02:49:55 PM »
Mannix
Quote.
 
""  gee im so glad this thread is about a self runner ...able or not we will see

It astounds me that any body with common sence could claim anything worthwhile without self run being obvious.

 

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Maybe some Peeps like to do things the hard way??
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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #64 on: February 06, 2012, 02:59:41 PM »
Mannix
Quote.
 
""  gee im so glad this thread is about a self runner ...able or not we will see

It astounds me that any body with common sence could claim anything worthwhile without self run being obvious.

 

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THX
Chet
Chet, what do you mean by 'self run'?  That it runs like a perpetual motion machine? 

Rosemary

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #65 on: February 06, 2012, 03:24:03 PM »
Rose
If the claim is excess power.... ,accumulate the excess and loop it back to run!!
No math no pencil sharpening no head scratching![maybe even No Batteries].
Probably a lot less arguing?
A profoundly obvious conclusion!!
 
Bliss.............
Thx
Chet
PS
Mr. Ali sounds like a very bright and sincere man...
And yes I believe it can be very simple [OU]

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #66 on: February 06, 2012, 03:39:44 PM »
I believe it doesn't need to self-run itself. Just a very long ringdown is enough. The essence is that :
 we charge a big capacitor storing initially quite a bit of energy and we use a circuit close to superconducting to sustain oscillations in tank as long as possible. Compare that to discharge of capacitor directly into load with immedate killing the dipole. The only thing missing (beside obvious parts like DC-DC converter to charge capacitor)is "special coil" or transformer which doesn't change impedance of primary when secondary is loaded.
Do you agree ? we need something which can copy the energy circulating in primary tank circuit into secondary without  depleting primary.

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #67 on: February 06, 2012, 03:42:48 PM »
 Hi poynt99,

Of course any normal diode will have a „Zener-like” breakdown voltage in the reverse direction  I agree  but  we cannot strictly compare the behavior of a normal diode beyond its reverse breakdown voltage limit  to that of a real Zener diode,  the slope or steepness of the increasing reverse  current is normally much higher for Zener diodes by design than for normal diodes in the vicinity of the "knee" area.  I think you also know this.

The reason I wrote to Stefan (and Ali) what I had written is that a 200V type n-channel  MOSFET’s body diode will do practicaly nothing to a 200V positive pulse (the simulation shows the 180 to 200V pulse amplitude), in that situation this diode cannot ’give a kick’ to the LC circuit.  This is why I ’chimed’ in…  lol

Yes, I also have seen MOSFET drawing symbols with Zener instead of normal diode pictured, I disagree with such symbols.

Regarding the „avalanche rated”  MOSFET types  (you mentioned  IRFPG50),  yes they are manufactured on purpose to widthstand a certain current value in the avalanche mode.  It is important to notice here for those not familiar with this, that the avalanche mode can mainly occur when the maximum drain-source voltage rating for a certain type (1000V for the IRFPG50) is exceeded or junction temperature of the device exceeds a certain value (overdissipation starts).  Under 1000V drain-source voltage or under normal operational conditions, it is not a ’feature’ at all.

Gyula
 
Edited to insert the "knee" area.

Hi gyula,

Wouldn't you agree that every diode is technically a "zener" diode?

IOW, all diodes have a reverse breakdown voltage, but the difference with zeners is that they are engineered to have a specific (usually a relatively lower) breakdown voltage. And we normally include a series resistance with them to ensure they don't burn up.

I've seen MOSFET symbols with a zener rather than standard diode pictured.

Some MOSFETs are "avalanche rated" meaning they can tolerate a certain degree of avalanching in the body diode (the IRFPG50 is an example).

Regards,
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« Reply #68 on: February 06, 2012, 03:53:00 PM »

  A zener is designed to switch quickly.  Not all diodes are capable of those speeds.
Still not right.  Zener's are as brittle as any diodes.  Their rated voltage tolerance explains the limit of their capabilities.  And each one varies - zener or otherwise.
Then likely the zener in the body diode is designed to accommodate high switching speeds. 

 
 Hi Rosemary,

A  Zener diode is not designed to switch quickly if you mean that switching speed (what is generally specified for switching type diodes)  is involved.  Normally, Zener diodes switching speed is not defined because their purpose is to have a very steep voltage-current characteristic in the reverse direction so that the current should change abruptly once the Zener voltage limit is exceeded.

 

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No.  No MOSFET - least of all an IRFPG50 is DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A DEGREE OF AVALANCHING.  Golly.  Whatever next?  Avalanching is the undesirable product of paralleled transistors.  And that applies to them all. 
...

 Re on avalanche type MOSFETs:  please read this paper here in Pages 4, 5 and 6,  it is nicely explained:   http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1005.pdf

Putting it briefly:  Avalanche effect can occur when the maximum drain-source voltage (specified for a MOSFET type)  is exceeded.   And there are certain power MOSFET types where the manufacturer designed the MOSFET to keep the avalanche current under a certain control so that the device should survive an avalanche current value,  once it is started,  where some other MOSFET types would surely self-destruct.
Here is the data sheet for the IRFPG50 power MOSFET, please see the second line in the feature column on the top of the first page, it says: Repetitive Avalanche Rated.
http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irfpg50.pdf   
This means that  maximum  6 Amper drain-source current is allowed  at a certain pulse width and at a certain junction temperature when the drain source voltage is higher than 1000V, (or  it can be less than 1000V but the avalanche current has already started due to a little overdissipation) see also Figure 11 in the data sheet.
I hope this helps, this is my intention. 

Gyula

PS  Ali,  sorry for such seemingly off topic mails in your thread, hopefully you undertand the goal -from my part at least- is to help the level of this discussion be as scientific as possible.  Looking forward to seeing further news from your great setup.

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« Reply #68 on: February 06, 2012, 03:53:00 PM »
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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #69 on: February 06, 2012, 04:03:26 PM »
@ All.

There are energy fields yet to be discovered. A few have been discovered but laws of physics have been failed describing them. Examples are Zem field, Bifield Brown effect as further explored by J L Naudin by working on lifter projects.
U draw a long straight line in space, it will never be a straight line. U see straight towards sun rising from the east, but u dont know that your line of sight is not a straight path to the sun. Gravity has distorted everything in space including time, spatial distance and now even the light. C is no more a constant. E=mC^2 varies in different regions of space if m is kept constant.

You just have to give a resonant push to the atoms of an element i.e the freq at which the atoms vibrate in an element and you will get the energy.
If you are able to find the self resonance point of the ferrite toroid, put it in a tank circuit, pick the value of the C and L in such a way that f0 for LC tank is same as the self resonance of the ferrite toroid, U will get maximum energy. The matter of toroid decomposes on extracting excessive energy. This is NMR. And I think this device works on the same principle.

But there are more powerful energy fields still hidden.

O assembly of jinn and men! If you are able to pass through the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass through; you cannot pass through but with Sultan (The ultimate power / authority).
                                                                                                                                                                                            The Holy Quran,    Chapter 55 "Al-Rahman"

I apologize for my critical thinking but reading that a flag went up for me. If it has anything to do with "nmr" or self resonance frequency of the ferrite core then the sim is useless and just shows a low simulation accuracy problem. Furthermore it would mean that the ferrite type is absolutely crucial in building a replication like the one you claim is working for you.
You have to understand it's hard to believe without any tangible demonstration on your part but luckily it should be pretty straightforward to build.
I will stick to the plan and build a setup as close to your specs as possible and we'll see what it gives.

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #70 on: February 06, 2012, 04:06:35 PM »
Well, here is how it should work in my opinion. Mosfet switch currents at 50V level, but across mosfets are very fast bi-directional transient supression diodes , let's say we put a transil for 100V. It will conduct happily when voltage rise above 100V between D-S of mosfet. Here you see IMHO that this is maybe what Tesla wanted to find : switching large currents and HV in the same time.Large currents flow throught mosfet, while higher voltage currents flow through transils. It's just my theoretical idea. At least we must find why this set of mosfets works in simulation and not others. I would like to simulate 1.5KE transils but I'm not experienced in SPICE to write model for it.
Again, I think that very long running blocking generator with large currents circulating and not supressing HV is enough to get OU, just one step behind the success.

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #71 on: February 06, 2012, 04:08:14 PM »
Question: what is the bulbs resistance ? I cannot get 100V bulbs here ,only 230V.

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #72 on: February 06, 2012, 04:23:14 PM »
Hi  forest,

Please help me understand what you really mean...  What shall I understand under your term 'high voltage current'?  Is it a current caused by high voltage when a certain HV limit is exceeded? 
If yes,  than what causes the current that the MOSFET switches?  The 50V you defined? 
So you have circuit where there is a controlled MOSFET switches a 50V voltage level and then there is the transil diode which switches at the say 100V level,  right?  Here I ask the 100V voltage level is created due to the switching of the 50V?

It would be good you show the link you already referred to above how the circuit might look like or just draw such.

Gyula

Well, here is how it should work in my opinion. Mosfet switch currents at 50V level, but across mosfets are very fast bi-directional transient supression diodes , let's say we put a transil for 100V. It will conduct happily when voltage rise above 100V between D-S of mosfet. Here you see IMHO that this is maybe what Tesla wanted to find : switching large currents and HV in the same time.Large currents flow throught mosfet, while higher voltage currents flow through transils. It's just my theoretical idea. At least we must find why this set of mosfets works in simulation and not others. I would like to simulate 1.5KE transils but I'm not experienced in SPICE to write model for it.
Again, I think that very long running blocking generator with large currents circulating and not supressing HV is enough to get OU, just one step behind the success.

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #73 on: February 06, 2012, 04:28:41 PM »
Question: what is the bulbs resistance ? I cannot get 100V bulbs here ,only 230V.

From this schematic, the bulb has 100W power rating at 100V,  hence R=V2 / P=100 Ohm (when it lights with 100W power of course).

http://www.overunity.com/11961/ghazanfar-ali-generator-utlilizing-trapped-energy/msg311553/#msg311553 

Just use  some power resistors in series and/or parallel combination to have a few watts rated 150 Ohm or higher load.
Use a full wave bridge plus a puffer capacitor at the device output and terminate the puffer capacitor with the load resistor and measure the DC voltage across it to estimate the dissipated power.

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Re: Ghazanfar Ali Generator - Utlilizing trapped energy
« Reply #74 on: February 06, 2012, 04:49:11 PM »

 Hi Rosemary,

A  Zener diode is not designed to switch quickly if you mean that switching speed (what is generally specified for switching type diodes)  is involved.  Normally, Zener diodes switching speed is not defined because their purpose is to have a very steep voltage-current characteristic in the reverse direction so that the current should change abruptly once the Zener voltage limit is exceeded.

 

 Re on avalanche type MOSFETs:  please read this paper here in Pages 4, 5 and 6,  it is nicely explained:   http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1005.pdf

Putting it briefly:  Avalanche effect can occur when the maximum drain-source voltage (specified for a MOSFET type)  is exceeded.   And there are certain power MOSFET types where the manufacturer designed the MOSFET to keep the avalanche current under a certain control so that the device should survive an avalanche current value,  once it is started,  where some other MOSFET types would surely self-destruct.
Here is the data sheet for the IRFPG50 power MOSFET, please see the second line in the feature column on the top of the first page, it says: Repetitive Avalanche Rated.
http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irfpg50.pdf   
This means that  maximum  6 Amper drain-source current is allowed  at a certain pulse width and at a certain junction temperature when the drain source voltage is higher than 1000V, (or  it can be less than 1000V but the avalanche current has already started due to a little overdissipation) see also Figure 11 in the data sheet.
I hope this helps, this is my intention. 

Gyula

PS  Ali,  sorry for such seemingly off topic mails in your thread, hopefully you undertand the goal -from my part at least- is to help the level of this discussion be as scientific as possible.  Looking forward to seeing further news from your great setup.
  Thanks Gyula.  Very clearly explained and much appreciated.  I thought that avalanche was the same thing as a parasitic oscillation.  :o Clearly lots to learn.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary


 

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