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Author Topic: Overunity Model - Practical Concept?  (Read 6416 times)

Offline aether22

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Overunity Model - Practical Concept?
« on: January 28, 2012, 07:06:17 AM »
I was running an experiment that has given me a slightly tricky idea of how to make a Free Energy device.

I had a HV charged cap that was discharging through a spark gap and into a primary air core coil, a secondary coil was picking this up and dumping it into a cap.

I noticed that when the secondary cap is discharged the voltage increase on the cap per discharge is not very much. (it can't supply much current)
If I leave the cap to charge because the incoming flux is HV it will charge the cap to many hundreds of volts and each impulse delivers much much more energy into the cap.
The reason is that while the voltage of the flux picked up by the secondary coil is very high, it can easily be overcome by the pulse of current generated in the secondary.
In other words it induces a certain current pulse increase.
A different flux field for instance might have greater capacity to induce current but stop charging the cap at a much lower voltage.

Thinking about this, I realized that it isn't the energy that is induced in the secondary that kills the inducing EMF, or even the current passing through it, the only thing that kills the (ahem, dipole cough) is the increase of current in the pickup coil. (It creates the opposite EMF)
(Excuse me, I have an allergy to Bearden)

So I figured the answer is to do 2 things, put a low voltage high current battery in series with the pickup coil that puts current through the pickup coil, and a constant current load:

So how will this create Free Energy?

Well we have a battery outputting say 10A at 1v through 0.1 ohms resistance, these figures are just for
grasping the concept, this resistance is a bit unrealistically low in practice.
The current passes through an air core pickup coil and through the constant current dummy load set to allow 10 amps.

We have an energy expenditure of 10 watts from the battery being consumed by the circuit.
As a heater we are at unity :)

Now we have a high voltage flux induce a voltage into the pickup coil, if the dummy load could handle it, of 100v (or more), the increase of voltage would normally cause the current to increase from the 10 amps, but in this case the load increases it's resistance from less than 0.1 ohms to 10.1 ohms, 10 amps through 10.1 ohms is 1.01KW!

And because of the constant current load there has been no EMF induced by the secondary, which means both that this EMF could be used by many pickup coils and also that it has not (yet) impacted the source.

The battery has not had any more current through it so it knows only that it is using 10 watts of energy.
The coil has not (yet) had any change in current, but the load has had an increase of voltage across it and dissipated 1KW of power.

However all good things must come to an end, as the emf reverses and begins to oppose the battery voltage it stops all current flowing in the circuit and if we don't have a diode on it the battery could be (very) slightly recharged.

Once the reverse emf dies down, the 1v from the battery again resumes supplying 10A to the circuit, once it has reached 10A (pretty fast as it has low impedance) another impulse comes in providing a 100 fold increase in voltage and a 10 fold increase in energy burnt in the load.

The catch is that while this should work and only requires making a constant current load that is very quick to react to changes in applied current/voltage, it can only directly power a constant current load, which means it is an over-unity heater. (or light bulb maybe)

If it can be engineered to provide the 10-1 or better energy production however it could still be run closed loop while providing some useful energy excess.

Another thought I just considered is that when the 10A in the pickup coil collapses it will produce an EMF that will oppose it's own collapse and help the collapse of the primary coil, this will remove energy from the primary (or rotor or whatever the source is).
However the magnetic field from the secondaries could in theory be much greater than the primaries field and you could even have multiple secondaries so it could overshoot and induce a reverse EMF into the primary.

Does this explain some of the scope shots where on collapse of a current, instead of the expected kick from the current trying to preserve it's self it overshoots and goes negative. (seen in various circuits including JLN's Newman tests)
So would this work? The biggest question in my mind is the ability of the constant current load to react fast enough to keep the current stable enough as the pickup coil provides a voltage.

The last thing is the HV field, this could run as low as 10-20 watts of power with higher frequencies being preferred.

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Offline aether22

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Re: Overunity Model - Practical Concept?
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2012, 01:02:47 PM »
I continued to think about it, I have created a circuit that simplifies the implementation.

The idea is that when the switch is closed the current from the battery goes through a coil with a ferrite core establishing a magnetic field and bypasses a large value resistor.
When the switch opens that path collapses, the inductor discharges through the diode with a resistor controlling the rate of it's collapse.
The current from the pickup coil now must pass through a high resistance load which is carefully selected to match the voltage induced in the pickup coil from the collapsing ferrite inductor.

I have made a circuit diagram of this circuit with the other version included to the right.
In theory the other version might be more likely to work, but this shows what might be a far more plausible circuit and more practical loads could be employed (battery charging)

Incidentally this reminds me of a circuit diagram of Stefan Hartman that apparently kept a battery charged, I was looking at it here

If you look at it, it is the exact same idea, but he didn't know why it worked!

But the same thing happens, the only difference is that the pickup coil in this case is the secondary of the transformer, and it doesn't have any energy flow through it initially which would be a problem, but because the primary and secondary are inductively coupled that doesn't really matter as the primary did.

Ok, I'll admit it might have worked (if it did) for other reasons instead/also, but it is strangely plausible.

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Re: Overunity Model - Practical Concept?
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2012, 10:09:39 PM »
Here is a hybrid of Stefan's circuit, wired to just recharge batteries rather than light a fluro.
The main difference other than removing the fluro is that the primary no longer goes totally open circuit (though that is an option with the right load) and it is now in series with the secondary when the switch is closed.

Also of course the battery driving the circuit no longer recharges, other batteries do.

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Re: Overunity Model - Practical Concept?
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2012, 10:09:39 PM »
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