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Author Topic: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Ton Kuiper: Quantum Resonant Gyrator  (Read 23457 times)

Offline samertje

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Hey everyone,

I made this video and got comments on the PESwiki and other forums, many shouting that it's a RF circuit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF9fl4_eMiY

I made this one explaining why we don't think it's RF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB4V29mZlFk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Can you guys help us out here?

Cheers!
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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Ton Kuiper: Quantum Resonant Gyrator
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2012, 03:23:22 AM »
My replication is way messy, and having a hard time getting good video of it, but....
I have reduced the voltage (the 9v I'm using is 8.83v).  I can definatly say that this is a very sensitive thing to play with, and attaching the wrong sort of ground at the wrong place kills the thing quick.
 
With the higher voltage to start with, and a bad antenna connection, the LEDs light basically from the source wire and dim as the circuit is moved away.
 
With the lower voltage at the start, and a couple sheets of aluminum chained for fun, the LEDs are brighter at the end and dimmer at the start where the oscillator feed is.  If I connect my o-scope's probe ground to an aluminum plate also, then a few of the LEDs (every other one, with the one closest to the 'grounded' plate brightest) are bright, and the others are dim, to the point they are almost off at the source.
 
Crazy stuff.
 
I've tried to measure a few places with a few things, I basically made an AVPlug with a 1M resister to try and measure the voltage across that, but as soon as I ground either side of that plug it kills the whole thing.
 
I do have a 1ohm resistor inline between the power source and the oscillator circuit with a scope probe across that - supposedly that's the current draw from the power source, it oscillates pretty well, and looks like pretty well a sum of 0 current to me; but.... oh, right so when the circuit is running (best to remove the high ohm resistor from the transistor base during operation, it's sorta the starter jolt, like a car's starter solonoid....)  So anyhow I mentioned the osciollation visible on the power source 1ohm resistor inline with one side (negative I think), when I kill it that goes to a flatline.
 

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Ton Kuiper: Quantum Resonant Gyrator
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2012, 04:21:40 AM »
@samertje

Hi! can you please give the specifications for the two coils - wire gauge and how many turns or lenght?


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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Ton Kuiper: Quantum Resonant Gyrator
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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Ton Kuiper: Quantum Resonant Gyrator
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2012, 09:07:29 AM »
I made mine using  http://www.66pacific.com/calculators/coil_calc.aspx
 
I used a couple empty electical tape spools that were 36mm in diamter, and 10 turns on one makes the smaller and 24 on the other, and I used 24gague wire, but wire gauge isn't a factor in the calculator.

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Ton Kuiper: Quantum Resonant Gyrator
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2012, 01:53:41 PM »
@samertje

Hi! can you please give the specifications for the two coils - wire gauge and how many turns or lenght?


Dann

in the first video we used two passive inductors, in the second video we used a little pancake coil 22 uH, but it also works with good piece of wire or any induction around 20 - 30 uH, I'm not sure, I'd love for people to experiment on that!

Tesla used pancake coils and the effects of a pancake coil are noticeable here by holding the load on top of the middle..

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Ton Kuiper: Quantum Resonant Gyrator
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2012, 01:56:25 PM »
My replication is way messy, and having a hard time getting good video of it, but....
I have reduced the voltage (the 9v I'm using is 8.83v).  I can definatly say that this is a very sensitive thing to play with, and attaching the wrong sort of ground at the wrong place kills the thing quick.
 
With the higher voltage to start with, and a bad antenna connection, the LEDs light basically from the source wire and dim as the circuit is moved away.
 
With the lower voltage at the start, and a couple sheets of aluminum chained for fun, the LEDs are brighter at the end and dimmer at the start where the oscillator feed is.  If I connect my o-scope's probe ground to an aluminum plate also, then a few of the LEDs (every other one, with the one closest to the 'grounded' plate brightest) are bright, and the others are dim, to the point they are almost off at the source.
 
Crazy stuff.
 
I've tried to measure a few places with a few things, I basically made an AVPlug with a 1M resister to try and measure the voltage across that, but as soon as I ground either side of that plug it kills the whole thing.
 
I do have a 1ohm resistor inline between the power source and the oscillator circuit with a scope probe across that - supposedly that's the current draw from the power source, it oscillates pretty well, and looks like pretty well a sum of 0 current to me; but.... oh, right so when the circuit is running (best to remove the high ohm resistor from the transistor base during operation, it's sorta the starter jolt, like a car's starter solonoid....)  So anyhow I mentioned the osciollation visible on the power source 1ohm resistor inline with one side (negative I think), when I kill it that goes to a flatline.

NICE! weird hey? Do you think it's oscillating and giving of radio?

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Ton Kuiper: Quantum Resonant Gyrator
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2012, 05:02:42 PM »
Well... It's an oscillator at a frequency range that includes RF.  On the scope I get signal spikes at 4Mhz 8Mhz 12... 20 is strongest, 24, .... so yes, but it's in the shortwave bands (this radio I have has shortwave2 which goes up to 22mhz, but I think it doesn't receive there).  I did have a sports channel from san francisco I was hearing (I'm in las vegas), and there was a background squeel... as I would move around the plates and stuff I have attached I could adjust the frequency, so it is otuputting at milliwatts level I'm sure. 
 
But from what I can tell an AM transmitter is just an oscillator with a single wire that is the antenna, then all we are building on is inline with the antenna.   (http://www.sparkbangbuzz.com/easy-ten/easy-ten.htm   https://www.google.com/search?q=am+transmitter&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&prmd=imvnsb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=rIQdT62qDIPKiQLTpoW_Ag&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CD0Q_AUoAQ&biw=1517&bih=1031#hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=simple+am+transmitter&pbx=1&oq=simple+am+transmitter&aq=f&aqi=g2g-S2g-mS2&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=2693l3528l0l3781l7l7l0l0l0l4l202l1048l0.6.1l7l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=6b11d7b929de8af5&biw=1517&bih=1031 )
 
Also, it looks like the smaller coil and the large cap shunted across the +/- rails look more like a DC power filter, but a battery is pretty stable, so I removed those and didn't see any change in the circuit behavior.  I'm also putting a momentary push switch on the high ohm resistor to the transistor base, since I just need to tickle it to get it to go. 

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Ton Kuiper: Quantum Resonant Gyrator
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2012, 05:26:13 PM »
The scope top line is a FFT math on the second wave, the spikes are about every 4Mhz.  0 is at the left of the scope.  Added my messy circuit running without the other coil/cap.  (the black wire at the top from the left power rail into the circuit is where those would have been.    Output is at (34)... caps at bottom are parallel across battery, they last for a few seconds, the circuit oscillates for a long time below the level of making any light.  Oh the tickler at (17) next to the black wire is layin there unattached.  The flash drowned out the red leds.

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Ton Kuiper: Quantum Resonant Gyrator
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2012, 03:30:01 AM »
Hmm I was misinterpreting or something.  I decided to work on bypassing other various parts of the circuit, and removing the other coil removed the sub harmonics, and it looks like I have a 20mhz oscillator specifically with the transisitor, the larger coil provoides like 1/5th? harmonics.   So I put back in the front coil and the oscillation was more intensense on the scope and the LEDs were brighter, so I've put it all back to 'stock' (other than 85uf caps since I couldn't find the 100's).

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Ton Kuiper: Quantum Resonant Gyrator
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2012, 04:37:25 AM »
Having a great deal of fun experimenting with this.  So I had those caps in parallel with the battery, which was all well and good, but I also had a 1ohm resistor inline on the + power rail.  I removed the scope and everything died.  And it wouldn't start, and it was very frustrating.  So I worked to go backwards to get the battery itself connected, and it wouldn't start (I should say it probably did start, but was operating too low to drive any light from the LEDs).  So I eventually tracked it back that this circuit works good with a single 9V, if you attach a ground to the positive (or negative) side of the battery; although the LEDs light brighter when attached to the + side.


and it doesn't have to be the real ground, it can be the same ground that the antenna goes to... but then it causes the LEDs on one side of the diode circles to light brighter.


So my rhetorical question today is 'why does adding a ground to a battery powered circuit, ON the battery terminals directly, make any difference?'  (correction, putting it on the terminals works, but my batter is connected to the expirament board with a clip lead on both sides, and it's better to put the ground on the positive rail on the board. )

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Ton Kuiper: Quantum Resonant Gyrator
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2012, 12:09:42 PM »
Wound some pancake coils.  Tried driving them with signal generator, and got failure.  Tried this quantum resonator and then there was happiness.   I don't know what radio power transfer works like, I know that inductive transfer doesn't work if the coils are perpendicular, but using a peice of wood, I lifted the primary pancake (3/8" copper pipe) and it was vertical to its secondary and the light was just as bright.  The pancakes I wound I used 14 guage (really 15-17, but sold as 14) wire, and there's 20 turns, which was about 142 grams of copper (I matched the coils by weight not windings so much; so the primary coil is also the same weight of copper as the copper in the secondary.
from the quantum resonator a white wire goes out, and goes into the primary of the red pancake.  then the ground side of the secondary runs into a green wire, that runs into an extension cord that goes across the floor to the other room, to the green pancake coil's secondary coil.  Then I have attached on the receiver(green) pancake's primary an AVplug with an LED, and a connection from there that dangles to the ground. 
I also have the ground connected on the +side of the power rail to the resonator, which gives a better connection to the remote; I have to touch the remote ground otherwise physically.
 
The last shot with red circles is the receiver in the other room, and the ground cable.
 

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Ton Kuiper: Quantum Resonant Gyrator
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2012, 02:35:53 PM »
This works too with the Avramenko plug? I mean, use the AV plug to rectify the longitudinal waves sent in the single-wire.

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Ton Kuiper: Quantum Resonant Gyrator
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2012, 04:35:27 PM »
that's what the LED circuits on the board are... and that's what's at the receiving end.  http://pesn.com/2012/01/18/9602015_Quantum_Resonant_Gyrator_Embodies_Simple_Tesla_Technology/ ; well... mostly alone, have to attach a virtual ground (antenna/plate) to one side of the plug also.

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Ton Kuiper: Quantum Resonant Gyrator
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2012, 01:41:33 AM »

@ samertje


The "The Quantum Resonant Gyrator" is not a gyrator and does not produce scalar waves. Why say this is "Quantum resonant"?  Do you even know what qauntum resonant means?  It is just an oscillator. Any DC amp meter will read zero amps when fed high frequency AC current. The needle can not go back and forth fast enough to keep up with the changes in current polarity. The amp meter you used does not show that there is no current flow, it only shows that there is no DC current.  There is AC current flow, but a DC amp meter is unable to show this.


Here is a simple one wire circuit. More info at >>> xee2vids's Channel - YouTube
It does not work as good as yours (LED is not as bright).
« Last Edit: January 28, 2012, 08:16:58 AM by xee2 »

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Ton Kuiper: Quantum Resonant Gyrator
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2012, 07:39:59 AM »
So, what is a good scalar wave test?  Put it in the microwave? do I include the one wire to it?  Or is it supposed to entirely work isolated?  It appears that what I have here is still radio.    ... well the resonator produces an radio frequency oscillation on the primary pancake, that's picked up by the secondary, which is then shuttled along to the remote secondary etc... it works a little worse to make it a complete circuit, but it does still work to run two wires between the secondaries of the pancake coils.

And what makes the quanta of your oscillator any better than the other resonator, xee2?

 

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