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Title: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group
Post by: gammarayburst on January 07, 2012, 07:41:10 PM
See attached drawings,
 
  There are two elements #1 and #2
#1 is a series of thin ( 1/4") disks all pressed together to form a Pseudo solid round iron bar.
#1 is pulled into the stator field and the disks are allowed to separate due to the fanner effect.
#2 is a series of 1/4" disks that are pulled into the spaces between the #1 disks.
#1 is now a solid Pseudo Solid and can be removed with no greater work than work done pulling it in when it was a Pseudo Solid.
Butch


 
Title: More drawings added
Post by: gammarayburst on January 07, 2012, 10:12:11 PM
See attached, the bars ends never are in the stator magnetic field or try to leave the field.
Butch LaFonte
Title: Re: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group
Post by: broli on January 07, 2012, 10:23:00 PM
That's a bit of an hard one to accept readily. Because what would prevent the forces, causing the fanning effect, to push back on the elements you want to insert in between. I'm a bit double sided on this one, only an experiment can show the truth. Am I wrong to assume that you don't need all those separate element but two main blocks and one to slide in between should have the same effect? Then you would only need to show that the block indeed jumps in effortlessly.
Title: Re: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group
Post by: gammarayburst on January 08, 2012, 12:22:58 AM
That's a bit of an hard one to accept readily. Because what would prevent the forces, causing the fanning effect, to push back on the elements you want to insert in between. I'm a bit double sided on this one, only an experiment can show the truth. Am I wrong to assume that you don't need all those separate element but two main blocks and one to slide in between should have the same effect? Then you would only need to show that the block indeed jumps in effortlessly.
We have had a video on our Youtube site for 6 months showing the element being pulled in between two elements that are in repulsion.
Butch
Title: Re: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group
Post by: broli on January 08, 2012, 12:41:31 AM
We have had a video on our Youtube site for 6 months showing the element being pulled in between two elements that are in repulsion.
Butch

Can you link me to this video please.
Title: Re: To Broli, why the third element will be pulled in
Post by: gammarayburst on January 08, 2012, 01:16:03 AM
Broli,
Have you ever wondered why the two elements in a magnetic field stop repelling? The reason is the field between them is no longer compressed and the system has switched to attraction mode. This allows you to position an additional element to be pulled into the field between the two seperated elements.
Butch
Title: All positive work in this system
Post by: gammarayburst on January 08, 2012, 03:58:26 AM
For all practicle purposes every phase in this system is positive useful work. A final configuration for production will be a very different layout, but will operate on the same principle.
1. The bar is closed so that it is in our Pseudo Solid configuration and moves the now closed disks into the magnetic field of the stator.
2. After the closed disks are centered in the stator magnetic field they are allowed to repel to the open position due to the fanner effect. This is positive work done by the magnetic field.
3. Now external disks are now allowed to be attracted into the space between the separated disks. This is again positive work done by the magnetic field.
4. Now the bar is a Pseudo Solid again and can be move with no work to speak of to an area of the bar length that allows the disks to be out of the magnetic field and the external disks can be removed with no work to speak of.
5. The bar now closes and the disks come together again the form a Pseudo Solid or solid in effect bar length.
6. The bar ends never come close to leaving the magnetic field of the stator because there is no need to.
7. The cycle is now ready to restart.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
Title: Re: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group
Post by: gammarayburst on January 08, 2012, 04:58:26 AM
Can you link me to this video please.
Sure, I will look it up and post a link, it's dark and was done by our member Lawrence but you can see the bar being pulled in. Mark may have done one also and we are looking for it.
Butch
Title: Re: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group
Post by: gammarayburst on January 08, 2012, 05:28:51 AM
Sure, I will look it up and post a link, it's dark and was done by our member Lawrence but you can see the bar being pulled in. Mark may have done one also and we are looking for it.
Butch
This is to dark to see, we will have to make a new video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDBBYvg5YDk&list=UUV6BqQ_hToPob2lfymlIYLg&index=9&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDBBYvg5YDk&list=UUV6BqQ_hToPob2lfymlIYLg&index=9&feature=plcp)
Title: Re: To Broli, why the third element will be pulled in
Post by: Low-Q on January 08, 2012, 10:49:28 PM
Broli,
Have you ever wondered why the two elements in a magnetic field stop repelling? The reason is the field between them is no longer compressed and the system has switched to attraction mode. This allows you to position an additional element to be pulled into the field between the two seperated elements.
Butch
That is a way to put it. The separation occours only under given conditions. If the magnet is relatively small compared to the two elements combined, the elements will not separate. I have played quite much with magnets in different sizes, and it appears to me that the elements will separate if the magnet is wide enough. The separation will find its equilibrium, the point where the attraction between the magnet an the elements are strongest.


How this position is suddenly switched to attraction mode, is something I quite not get...


Vidar
Title: Re: To Broli, why the third element will be pulled in
Post by: gammarayburst on January 09, 2012, 05:43:18 AM
That is a way to put it. The separation occours only under given conditions. If the magnet is relatively small compared to the two elements combined, the elements will not separate. I have played quite much with magnets in different sizes, and it appears to me that the elements will separate if the magnet is wide enough. The separation will find its equilibrium, the point where the attraction between the magnet an the elements are strongest.


How this position is suddenly switched to attraction mode, is something I quite not get...


Vidar
Google "fanner for metal seperation" and read the theory of operation at the different sites.
Butch
Title: Re: To Broli, why the third element will be pulled in
Post by: Low-Q on January 09, 2012, 10:34:26 AM
Google "fanner for metal seperation" and read the theory of operation at the different sites.
Butch
I know about these separators, but I cannot understand how these switch from repel mode to attraction mode. When they are separated they are neutral. Maybe you had other idea about this in mind?


Vidar
Title: Fanner will not work if there is no air gap
Post by: gammarayburst on January 09, 2012, 05:19:04 PM
I have found that the fanner will not work if the air gap between the magnet and the elements is reduced to say .003" air gap.
This could indicate that the repulsion is due to the compression of the magnetic fields in the air gap.
Butch
Title: Two magnets in repulsion will not repel if in near contact with iron bars
Post by: gammarayburst on January 09, 2012, 05:46:54 PM
I have a video on Youtube that shows two 1" x 1" round grade 48 NIB magnets side by side, north next to north and south next to south with an iron bar on top and bottom with .005" air gap. The magnets can be moved up to each other with the slightest effort. But as you increase the air gap the magnets go into repulsion mode. The two bars are a closed loop circuit in a U shape. The magnetic field seems to fan out as it nears the iron when you increase the air gap. But if you keep the magnets up against each other the fields of the two magnets are compressed where this fanning out takes place. If you stop the air gap at say 3/8" and allow the magnets to repel they seem to stop when the fanned out field near the bar do not compress each other. This would indicate to me that the fanning effect is a result of the fields out side the magnet itself and takes place in the air gap. The two magnets behave the same as if the bars were part of a magnetic circuit with a single magnet in that circuit and the two magnets were replaced by iron cylinders the same size as the magnets.
A second condition to think about is what if two iron elements saturate and there is a large amount of field still remaining and it's path is between the two elements. Is this field available for pulling in an external element. Our test indicate that happens.
Thanks,
Butch
Title: Do Fanner manafactures and dealers not know what they are talking about?
Post by: gammarayburst on January 09, 2012, 06:12:13 PM
Fanner dealers say that the principle behind their fanners is that the magnetic fields between the sheets of steel is compressed and that causes the sheets to seperate. They say all the sheets all have the same polarity and the field between them also does and it is compressed so it pushes them apart. Do you think they might not know what they are talking about?
Butch
Title: Fanner sellers principle of operation, see attached documents
Post by: gammarayburst on January 09, 2012, 06:20:45 PM
See attached
Title: Re: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group
Post by: gammarayburst on January 09, 2012, 06:25:28 PM
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Title: Re: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group
Post by: gammarayburst on January 09, 2012, 08:30:03 PM
They surely know how the device act's however,
I am sure they do not know the principles behind magnetism and i am sure you do not know them either otherwise you would not be taking this approach.

This is the same as going to your local lamp dealer and asking him about why a bulb radiates light.
Alot will say they don't know.
Some will tell you the filament gets hot and starts to radiate light.
Only few to none will tell you it's the photons that are transmitted when the electrons jump between bands on the atom.

Your fanner dealer knows how the thing works but in reality has no idea how magnetism works and the same goes for you.
Knowing how to use something is not the same as knowing how something works.
It's result is misconception and you are currently part of that.
There is not a day that goes by that I am not thankful for the nice people I meet on this list like you. You are a prince of a guy. I didn't get your name.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
 
Title: Re: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group
Post by: gammarayburst on January 09, 2012, 11:29:24 PM
You know what's the difference between me and you Butch?
I can prove my claims where you can only show theory and images.
This is also why i can see where, how and why you go wrong.
But you don't want to hear.

I just wonder how much longer you are going to play with them magnets until you realize it's not going to do anything but come to a stop.

If you ever reach that point i encourage you to contact me i can help you further but i won't.
Like I said, a prince of a guy you are!
 
Title: Re: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group
Post by: LightRider on January 10, 2012, 01:34:47 AM
"He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know." - Lao Tzu

"To know yet to think that one does not know is best; Not to know yet to think that one knows will lead to difficulty." - Lao Tzu

"When you are content to be simply yourself and don't compare or compete, everybody will respect you." - Lao Tzu


Butch, thanks for your great contribution over the years,
I admire you for your convictions, your creativity and tenacity.

LightRider



Title: Re: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group
Post by: gammarayburst on January 10, 2012, 02:19:17 AM
"He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know." - Lao Tzu

"To know yet to think that one does not know is best; Not to know yet to think that one knows will lead to difficulty." - Lao Tzu

"When you are content to be simply yourself and don't compare or compete, everybody will respect you." - Lao Tzu


Butch, thanks for your great contribution over the years,
I admire you for your convictions, your creativity and tenacity.

LightRider
Thanks LightRider,
It can get a little lonely here sometimes and when people like you comment it keeps me going, about 15 years it's been now.
Thanks again for the kind words.
Butch
Title: Re: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group
Post by: LightRider on January 10, 2012, 10:54:52 PM
That's exactly what i meant.
Butch has been speaking for years without knowing.

But he's not alone since 99,9% of the people have the same mind set about magnets.
I can help them but i don't want to since they also share the same attitude and that is what is keeping me back.
This was simply one of my few (and last) attempts to let Butch know hes on the wrong road.
But he seems to wanna stick to his dead end, well that's fine with me.

Nobody is asking what do you mean or why do you say such things no they all know better.
It would blow your mind how a couple of simple experiments will change your view on magnets FOREVER.

Why waste your time in this kind of comment?
 Who do you support? your self ...? Butch...? the Overunity community?
All this to prove you have a possible "truth" ... and Butch not?
 You may be right "microcontroller" ... and now what ... Do you feeling any better?
Butch try and built... he won my respect long ago for this.

I'm sure you're a very intelligent person...

Everyone is familiar with the story... the "world is flat" ... it took some open mind people to challenge a "certitude" of this time ...
and this story is repeated in all areas of science through time...

Microcontroller, I wish you good luck in your search.

I always ask myself this question ... When the day of my death will be at my doors...
   what I would be proud off...

I'm sure Butch will be proud of his creations and the fun he had.

@all: Happy new year 2012, year of breakthrough! ;)
LightRider



Title: Re: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group
Post by: mscoffman on January 12, 2012, 10:04:24 PM
...Nobody is asking what do you mean or why do you say such things no they all know better. It would blow your mind how a couple of simple experiments will change your view
on magnets FOREVER.

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...It can get a little lonely here sometimes and when people like you comment it keeps me going, about 15 years it's been now...

 
Professionally, I think you have to say that the conflict between these
two folk's positions is resolved when something is demonstrated that
actually works. You really have to work for awhile in a field of study to
find where it's capabilities and limitations come from and that can be brought
into a balance. No need to restate here that magnetics are theoretically
TRICKY and that this implies that there are no guarantees. But I've
seen sufficient experiments to say something ought to be able to be
made to work.
 
:S:MarkSCoffman