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Author Topic: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group  (Read 15564 times)

Offline gammarayburst

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See attached drawings,
 
  There are two elements #1 and #2
#1 is a series of thin ( 1/4") disks all pressed together to form a Pseudo solid round iron bar.
#1 is pulled into the stator field and the disks are allowed to separate due to the fanner effect.
#2 is a series of 1/4" disks that are pulled into the spaces between the #1 disks.
#1 is now a solid Pseudo Solid and can be removed with no greater work than work done pulling it in when it was a Pseudo Solid.
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More drawings added
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2012, 10:12:11 PM »
See attached, the bars ends never are in the stator magnetic field or try to leave the field.
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Re: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2012, 10:23:00 PM »
That's a bit of an hard one to accept readily. Because what would prevent the forces, causing the fanning effect, to push back on the elements you want to insert in between. I'm a bit double sided on this one, only an experiment can show the truth. Am I wrong to assume that you don't need all those separate element but two main blocks and one to slide in between should have the same effect? Then you would only need to show that the block indeed jumps in effortlessly.

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Re: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2012, 10:23:00 PM »
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Re: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2012, 12:22:58 AM »
That's a bit of an hard one to accept readily. Because what would prevent the forces, causing the fanning effect, to push back on the elements you want to insert in between. I'm a bit double sided on this one, only an experiment can show the truth. Am I wrong to assume that you don't need all those separate element but two main blocks and one to slide in between should have the same effect? Then you would only need to show that the block indeed jumps in effortlessly.
We have had a video on our Youtube site for 6 months showing the element being pulled in between two elements that are in repulsion.
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Re: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2012, 12:41:31 AM »
We have had a video on our Youtube site for 6 months showing the element being pulled in between two elements that are in repulsion.
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Can you link me to this video please.

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Re: To Broli, why the third element will be pulled in
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2012, 01:16:03 AM »
Broli,
Have you ever wondered why the two elements in a magnetic field stop repelling? The reason is the field between them is no longer compressed and the system has switched to attraction mode. This allows you to position an additional element to be pulled into the field between the two seperated elements.
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All positive work in this system
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2012, 03:58:26 AM »
For all practicle purposes every phase in this system is positive useful work. A final configuration for production will be a very different layout, but will operate on the same principle.
1. The bar is closed so that it is in our Pseudo Solid configuration and moves the now closed disks into the magnetic field of the stator.
2. After the closed disks are centered in the stator magnetic field they are allowed to repel to the open position due to the fanner effect. This is positive work done by the magnetic field.
3. Now external disks are now allowed to be attracted into the space between the separated disks. This is again positive work done by the magnetic field.
4. Now the bar is a Pseudo Solid again and can be move with no work to speak of to an area of the bar length that allows the disks to be out of the magnetic field and the external disks can be removed with no work to speak of.
5. The bar now closes and the disks come together again the form a Pseudo Solid or solid in effect bar length.
6. The bar ends never come close to leaving the magnetic field of the stator because there is no need to.
7. The cycle is now ready to restart.
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Re: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2012, 04:58:26 AM »
Can you link me to this video please.
Sure, I will look it up and post a link, it's dark and was done by our member Lawrence but you can see the bar being pulled in. Mark may have done one also and we are looking for it.
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Re: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2012, 05:28:51 AM »
Sure, I will look it up and post a link, it's dark and was done by our member Lawrence but you can see the bar being pulled in. Mark may have done one also and we are looking for it.
Butch
This is to dark to see, we will have to make a new video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDBBYvg5YDk&list=UUV6BqQ_hToPob2lfymlIYLg&index=9&feature=plcp

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Re: Fanner/Pseudo Solid Technology combined for overunity, LaFonte Group
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Re: To Broli, why the third element will be pulled in
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2012, 10:49:28 PM »
Broli,
Have you ever wondered why the two elements in a magnetic field stop repelling? The reason is the field between them is no longer compressed and the system has switched to attraction mode. This allows you to position an additional element to be pulled into the field between the two seperated elements.
Butch
That is a way to put it. The separation occours only under given conditions. If the magnet is relatively small compared to the two elements combined, the elements will not separate. I have played quite much with magnets in different sizes, and it appears to me that the elements will separate if the magnet is wide enough. The separation will find its equilibrium, the point where the attraction between the magnet an the elements are strongest.


How this position is suddenly switched to attraction mode, is something I quite not get...


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Re: To Broli, why the third element will be pulled in
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2012, 05:43:18 AM »
That is a way to put it. The separation occours only under given conditions. If the magnet is relatively small compared to the two elements combined, the elements will not separate. I have played quite much with magnets in different sizes, and it appears to me that the elements will separate if the magnet is wide enough. The separation will find its equilibrium, the point where the attraction between the magnet an the elements are strongest.


How this position is suddenly switched to attraction mode, is something I quite not get...


Vidar
Google "fanner for metal seperation" and read the theory of operation at the different sites.
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Re: To Broli, why the third element will be pulled in
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2012, 05:43:18 AM »
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Re: To Broli, why the third element will be pulled in
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2012, 10:34:26 AM »
Google "fanner for metal seperation" and read the theory of operation at the different sites.
Butch
I know about these separators, but I cannot understand how these switch from repel mode to attraction mode. When they are separated they are neutral. Maybe you had other idea about this in mind?


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Fanner will not work if there is no air gap
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2012, 05:19:04 PM »
I have found that the fanner will not work if the air gap between the magnet and the elements is reduced to say .003" air gap.
This could indicate that the repulsion is due to the compression of the magnetic fields in the air gap.
Butch

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Two magnets in repulsion will not repel if in near contact with iron bars
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2012, 05:46:54 PM »
I have a video on Youtube that shows two 1" x 1" round grade 48 NIB magnets side by side, north next to north and south next to south with an iron bar on top and bottom with .005" air gap. The magnets can be moved up to each other with the slightest effort. But as you increase the air gap the magnets go into repulsion mode. The two bars are a closed loop circuit in a U shape. The magnetic field seems to fan out as it nears the iron when you increase the air gap. But if you keep the magnets up against each other the fields of the two magnets are compressed where this fanning out takes place. If you stop the air gap at say 3/8" and allow the magnets to repel they seem to stop when the fanned out field near the bar do not compress each other. This would indicate to me that the fanning effect is a result of the fields out side the magnet itself and takes place in the air gap. The two magnets behave the same as if the bars were part of a magnetic circuit with a single magnet in that circuit and the two magnets were replaced by iron cylinders the same size as the magnets.
A second condition to think about is what if two iron elements saturate and there is a large amount of field still remaining and it's path is between the two elements. Is this field available for pulling in an external element. Our test indicate that happens.
Thanks,
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Do Fanner manafactures and dealers not know what they are talking about?
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2012, 06:12:13 PM »
Fanner dealers say that the principle behind their fanners is that the magnetic fields between the sheets of steel is compressed and that causes the sheets to seperate. They say all the sheets all have the same polarity and the field between them also does and it is compressed so it pushes them apart. Do you think they might not know what they are talking about?
Butch

 

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