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Re: Any proof?
« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2012, 05:23:52 PM »
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1171.msg21887#msg21887
 
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Witnessed an actual "commercial resonance condition" for LED lighting.
 
An established LED lighting Company showed me their LED lighting improvement with the Joule Thief/FLEET circuit.  Their test equipments include a DC power supply that can vary from 0 to over 20 volts, two oscilloscopes and all necessary electronic components.  They could measure the intensity of light generated by the LEDs.
 
They lighted up 84 LEDs with just the Joule Thief circuit (improved and tuned) varying the voltage from 1.5 volts to 20 volts.  The brightness of the LEDs increased with increasing voltage - reaching and exceeding the commercial standard.  They then lighted an additional 84 LEDs with the FLEET circuit. 
 
That already stimulated more investment and research.  One oscilloscope CSV file analysis showed the COP (average Output Power over Average Input Power) greater than 100.  With this invention, they could reduce the power supply of their existing products.
 
Another Server of the Divine Wine?
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Email extract from the Engineer of the established LED lighting Company:
 
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Dear Brother Lawrence:
I do not have any problem with it (showing the final result).
God’s has always shown me kindness…………………………..All Glory to him alone…………………………I am only his servant…………………….and all wisdom is from him above.
Amen!
The attached file showed the Output and Input Power Comparisons.  They have already improved the performance of the prototype and should be on their way to producing an improved LED lighting product.  A revolution in lighting industry is beginning.

Winning the many overunity prizes is clearly possible.  But such prize values are tiny compared with the Market Potential.  I expect both scientific and investment interests.

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« Reply #46 on: March 12, 2012, 06:33:03 AM »
Many Companies or Individuals are competing to demonstrate their prototypes or research results.
The moment a Company (Such as the South African Company visited by Sterling Allan) puts a product on the Market; all others will no longer shine.  Those that can only produce inferior results will be totally ignored.
 
Thus there is a strong motivation from some such Companies or Individuals to publish their results now.  At the same time, they do not want to fully reveal their secrets.  I suggest that they only publish their final power comparison results and the COP values.  They can then satisfy their ego and have something to show for their hard work.
 
The attached Power Comparison diagram is from Engineer Robert Roberts.  He achieved a COP of over -5,600. That was the highest COP known to me.  The negative sign comes from Input Power.  That implies a recharging circuit.  In other words, the battery supplied some energy to the load - positive power.  At the same time, the battery received some energy fed back by the circuit - negative power.  In this case, the negative power was more than the positive power. 

More Energy was fed back than supplied.  The Input was a recharging circuit!  Theoretically, no energy was required from the battery.  The battery was used to get to the “commercial resonance condition”.  At this condition, there was considerable energy supplied to the load (>5,600 Input).
The actual power in this case was small.  But it clearly demonstrated that energy must be coming from somewhere other than the battery.  The lead-out or bring-in energy theory wins.
 
Salute to Engineer Robert Roberts.   His name will be recorded in the History of Overunity Device Developments.
 
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« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2012, 07:02:59 PM »
I was alerted by an Engineer that he could not see the information at the ltseung888 bench in overunityresearch.com.  It required login.
 
Thus I am attaching the most important teaching files here.  Once you understand the basic physics behind the lead-out or bring-in energy theory, much of the mystery surrounding OU devices will be cleared up.
 
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Re: Any proof?
« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2012, 08:35:05 PM »
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"1.     The Instantaneous Power is equal to the product of the Instantaneous Voltage multiplied by the Instantaneous Current.  It does not matter whether the circuit is DC, AC or Pulsed."

Not always true and I would say this is true ONLY through a resistor, not through a capacitance or an inductance where voltage and current are not in phase. This is why we talk about VAR (volt-ampere-reactive) and WATT (power) for the output of an electrical generator, not both produce power. So we have to be prudent looking at output calcucation on oscilloscopes, may be what looks like overunity is VARs.
 
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« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2012, 09:03:03 PM »
Quote from Ltseung888
"1.     The Instantaneous Power is equal to the product of the Instantaneous Voltage multiplied by the Instantaneous Current.  It does not matter whether the circuit is DC, AC or Pulsed."
Not always true and I would say this is true ONLY through a resistor, not through a capacitance or an inductance where voltage and current are not in phase. This is why we talk about VAR (volt-ampere-reactive) and WATT (power) for the output of an electrical generator, not both produce power. So we have to be prudent looking at output calcucation on oscilloscopes, may be what looks like overunity is VARs.
 
Dennis

Dear Dennis,

Please double and triple check with your professors, textbooks and all qualified scientists and engineers.

"1.     The Instantaneous Power is equal to the product of the Instantaneous Voltage multiplied by the Instantaneous Current.  It does not matter whether the circuit is DC, AC or Pulsed."



If you cut out the word “Instantaneous”, then Power may not be equal to voltage multiplied by Current if you the load is not purely resistance. (e.g. you have inductance or capacitance load).  But once you add the word “Instantaneous”, the above statement is absolutely true.  You can put capacitors and inductors in your circuit in addition to resistors.

Please make sure your statement is correct.  Do not rely on hearsay or some unresearched statement from your head.  Such statements show total ignorance or misunderstanding of scientific facts.

I shall defend the Divine Revelations with all my heart and my might.  May the Almighty guide us all.

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« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2012, 09:10:11 PM »
http://pesn.com/2012/03/14/9602057_Johan_Open_Sourcing_His_Solid_State_Free_Energy_Charger/
 
It looks like we have more people working on the car battery charger.
 
The ones that I believe are promising include:
(1)    The Chao Ching Sang Car in China that was demonstrated to drive over 500 Km on one charge in 2008.
(2)    The Wang Shen He Car in China that I shall test drive when I go back.
(3)    My own prototype using improved FLEET technology. 
(4)    The LED Company that successfully used the FLEET technology to reduce their use of solar panels and batteries to one-tenth of what they currently used.
(5)    This above link - Johan Battery Charger based on the Bob Boyce Electrolyser.
(6)    Patrick Kelly as described in Chapter 5 of his excellent e-book.
(7)    The Hong Kong Team that demonstrated a battery charger that recharged phone batteries in 2009 from an AA battery.  (I believe products are available now).
 
 
I am sure that there are others.  But the chance of one of them demonstrated and proven beyond doubt within the next few months is excellent.
 
 
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« Reply #51 on: March 18, 2012, 06:18:11 PM »
Yes ltseung888, you are right no need to triple check, your statement was true for instant power, soory for that.
We must be interested not only by instant power but essentially by average power over a period of time.
 
What I want to warn is that on some curves from oscilloscopes that I have seem in this forum, comparing input courant with output current assuming same voltage is not a way to prove overunity as input current can be in phase with voltage (i.e. consuming power) and output current can be out of phase with voltage (i.e. producing some reactive "power" or VAR) and not producing only real power.
 
I saw some curves comparing surfaces of input current and output current and claiming Overunity, that's too fast as a claim, we need to know what voltage is doing (what is the Cos(Phi) between current and voltage at output and at input).
 
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Dear Dennis,

Please double and triple check with your professors, textbooks and all qualified scientists and engineers.

"1.     The Instantaneous Power is equal to the product of the Instantaneous Voltage multiplied by the Instantaneous Current.  It does not matter whether the circuit is DC, AC or Pulsed."



If you cut out the word “Instantaneous”, then Power may not be equal to voltage multiplied by Current if you the load is not purely resistance. (e.g. you have inductance or capacitance load).  But once you add the word “Instantaneous”, the above statement is absolutely true.  You can put capacitors and inductors in your circuit in addition to resistors.

Please make sure your statement is correct.  Do not rely on hearsay or some unresearched statement from your head.  Such statements show total ignorance or misunderstanding of scientific facts.

I shall defend the Divine Revelations with all my heart and my might.  May the Almighty guide us all.

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Re: Any proof?
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« Reply #52 on: March 19, 2012, 12:29:57 AM »
Yes ltseung888, you are right no need to triple check, your statement was true for instant power, sorry for that.
We must be interested not only by instant power but essentially by average power over a period of time.
 

Dear Dennis,
 
With Oscilloscopes, we can display the Instantaneous Voltage and Instantaneous Current (voltage across a One Ohm resistor) values if we have a two channel Scope.  It the Scope has the built-in Multiply function, we can display also the Instantaneous Power Curve.
 
The better Scopes (e.g. the Atten Oscilloscopes I have), the sample points can also be saved as csv files.  This is the best way of analyzing the Voltage, Current and Power Results for both Input and Output.  With the csv files, we can use EXCEL to calculate the average voltage, current and power values.  We can check for negative power values.  We can integrate the power over a complete wave to get the energy associated with that wave.
 
My training threads rely on the above exact scientific analysis.  You can get more detail from the “two oscilloscope tests” thread.
 
Such Scientific Divine Revelations cannot be wrong.  May God guide us all.

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« Reply #53 on: March 19, 2012, 10:50:53 PM »
Guys, hi, any idea how to measure COP of magnet rotor? how to bypass magnet vortex influence that make magnets cool when they are running and producing at rotor kinetic energy? Is there anybody who know this phenomena and cop calculation way?

Truly
Rob

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« Reply #54 on: March 20, 2012, 04:09:51 PM »
Another simple proof of Output Energy > Input Energy is the case of sound resonance.  Kinetic energy of air mollecules can be led-out or brought-in. 
 
I have put all relevant information in a single file including the Physics and Mathematics.
 
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« Reply #55 on: March 21, 2012, 06:57:39 PM »
Paradigm Shift and Leadership
 
I got an interesting email and a follow-up phone call from an Educator interested in the Lead-out Energy Theory.  He mentioned that he was working on the Pulse-Gravity Motor as described in Patrick Kelly’s Book.  The plan was to demonstrate that in a Seminar/Course in June or July time frame.  The Seminar will be aimed at training Leaders.  One aspect of Leadership is to identify paradigm shifts before the masses.
 
For example, a Leader should understand the impact of the Internet in the 1970s before it was popular.  A Leader should realize its potential to change the lifestyle of millions.  Many old jobs would be lost and many new jobs would be created.  Are there technologies with similar impact today?
 
The training will use the Lead-out Energy as an example and comment on whether it represents a possible paradigm shift.
 
The traditional scientists might have been blinded by the imaginary brick wall – the inflexible application of the Law of Conservation of Energy.  Perpetual Motion of any form or type is absolutely impossible.  There is no need to waste time and resources in such research.
 
The Lead-out or Bring-in Energy Theory accepts the validity of the Law of Conservation of Energy.  However, it also accepts that machines can continuously lead-out or bring-in energy from the environment.  Examples of such energy include Energy from Still Air, Energy from Gravity and Energy from the Orbiting Electrons.
 
The demonstrations will likely include:
 
1.      The Sound Resonance Experiment.  A constant sound from a signal generator will have its amplitude recorded.  Then a resonance box with height equal to ¼ wavelength will be brought into resonance.  The sound will be much louder.  The new amplitude will be recorded and compared.  The participants will then comment on the source of this extra sound energy.
2.       The Gravity Wheel Experiment.  The participants will first see a Milkovic 2 stage oscillator video.  They may also see a Pulse-Gravity wheel without any batteries.  They will also go into the mathematics of the pulse-pushed pendulum and see if they agree that 2 parts of supplied horizontal energy can lead-out 1 part of gravitational energy.
3.       The Magnetic Pendulum Experiment.  The participants will replace the bob of a normal pendulum with a magnet.  Another magnet will be placed to increase or decrease the attraction force.  They will check whether the period of oscillation changes.  They will answer the question – if gravitational energy can be led-out via a normal pendulum, can magnetic energy be led-out via a magnetic pendulum.
4.       The Output and Input Power Waveform Comparison of a FLEET prototype.  They will see that the Output Power Wave is much larger than the Input Power Wave.  They will be asked – if you are in the right position of power and influence, will you support this type of research?
5.       They will then be asked to comment on the possible paradigm shift.  How would the life style of people change if such technology is well developed?
 
 
There may be different “free energy” prototypes or videos.  There may be different questions.  But the direction of such type of training is clear.  The future Leaders will be trained to predict and guide the future based on possible paradigm shifts.
 
 
Many will taste the Divine Wine. 

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« Reply #56 on: March 24, 2012, 07:05:26 AM »
In the coming training in both US and China, we shall discuss the Milkovic 2 stage pendulum.  It is another proof of an overunity device based on the Lee-Tseung Lead-out energy theory.  I shall use the following video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8
 
We can regard the pendulum as the first stage and the lever as the second stage.  The lever does not move until the pendulum swing is large.  At the large swing condition, the Weight on the LHS will go up.  When it goes down, it can do useful work.  The question is – will the work done or output energy be more than the slight push of the hand (Input energy)?
 
One interesting point to note is when and how the LHS Weight is lifted?  What forces are responsible?
 
My answer is – two forces are responsible.
1.       Weight of the pendulum bob.  This is always vertical.
2.       The Centrifugal force due to circular motion of the Pendulum.  This force is strongest when the velocity is highest.
3.       The weight of the pendulum bob alone or the centrifugal force alone will not be enough to lift the Weight on the LHS.  Their combined effect at large swing and hence high velocity at vertical position will be sufficient to lift the Weight.
 
From the Lee-Tseung lead-out energy theory, 2 parts of horizontal energy will lead-out 1 part of gravitational energy.  That represents a COP of 1.5.  The best push is actually tangential.  That will give a even higher COP.  With a single stage pendulum, we cannot extract the energy easily.  However, the two stage pendulum provides a simple mechanism for such energy extraction.
 
Thus the Milkovic 2 stage pendulum is clearly overunity.  The Input energy (slight pulse-push by the hand) is less than the Output Energy (dropping of the Weight on the LHS).  The Physics and Mathematics confirm it.
 
I am attaching the xls file with detailed mathematical analysis for those interested.

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« Reply #57 on: March 24, 2012, 08:11:39 PM »
The first draft training material is ready for comments.
 
It was used on Friday March 23, 2012.  Some polishing is required.
 
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« Reply #58 on: March 25, 2012, 06:45:50 AM »
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg316636/#msg316636
 
Please go to the above link to get a full explanation of the Milkovic 2 stage pendulum.  It is theoretically an overunity device – more efficient than the simple pulse-push pendulum.
Another proof is readily available and have been replicated multiple time.  Amen

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« Reply #59 on: March 26, 2012, 05:02:33 PM »
Dear Ltseung888,

I have seen in 2008 your pendulum overunity basic demonstration and I can see that today you keep saying that a simple pendulum brings Overunity. As you said this is basic secondary school physics, so it would mean that during centuries all students and physics teachers would have missed that discovery ?

In fact there is a basic terrestrial mistake (nothing devine) in your demonstration and I will help you to solve it;
According your excell file, it takes 1,64359 unit of horizontal work to raise the pendulum and give it 0,815965 unit of potential work so according to my simple calculation the efficienty is not above 1 but is simply 0,81/1,64 which is about 0.5 (NO OVERUNITY unfortunately).

But why it would be above or below OU, if there was Overunity then after lifting the pendulum when you let it go it would go to an higher elevation on the other side and it does not, in fact it will go exactly to the same elevation on the other side. (no friction assumed)

Now why did I fing an efficiency of about 0,5 using your calculation, it should be exactly 1; there is an additional mistake in the way you calculate the horizontal work, the force increases from angle 0 to angle 9.46 degree (the final angle you give in your spreadsheet). So you have to integrate the horizontal work from 0 degree to your 9.46 degree for a final force of 10 units then in that case you will find that the horizontal work is exactly the same as the vertical work that the pendulum mass accumulate (potential energy).

Hope in the future you will not make so simple mistakes and claim God brought you Overunity, I am sure others have found your mistakes before and warned you.

Despite this, I am intrigated by a 5KW self running generator from one of your Chinese colleague that I would like to see or to know where to buy one, I have seen it in picture since 2008, in video but do not know why it is not available at least to the OU commmunity or if it is then who has one ?




In the coming training in both US and China, we shall discuss the Milkovic 2 stage pendulum.  It is another proof of an overunity device based on the Lee-Tseung Lead-out energy theory.  I shall use the following video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8
 
We can regard the pendulum as the first stage and the lever as the second stage.  The lever does not move until the pendulum swing is large.  At the large swing condition, the Weight on the LHS will go up.  When it goes down, it can do useful work.  The question is – will the work done or output energy be more than the slight push of the hand (Input energy)?
 
One interesting point to note is when and how the LHS Weight is lifted?  What forces are responsible?
 
My answer is – two forces are responsible.
1.       Weight of the pendulum bob.  This is always vertical.
2.       The Centrifugal force due to circular motion of the Pendulum.  This force is strongest when the velocity is highest.
3.       The weight of the pendulum bob alone or the centrifugal force alone will not be enough to lift the Weight on the LHS.  Their combined effect at large swing and hence high velocity at vertical position will be sufficient to lift the Weight.
 
From the Lee-Tseung lead-out energy theory, 2 parts of horizontal energy will lead-out 1 part of gravitational energy.  That represents a COP of 1.5.  The best push is actually tangential.  That will give a even higher COP.  With a single stage pendulum, we cannot extract the energy easily.  However, the two stage pendulum provides a simple mechanism for such energy extraction.
 
Thus the Milkovic 2 stage pendulum is clearly overunity.  The Input energy (slight pulse-push by the hand) is less than the Output Energy (dropping of the Weight on the LHS).  The Physics and Mathematics confirm it.
 
I am attaching the xls file with detailed mathematical analysis for those interested.

 

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