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Offline rickhunter7

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Water as fuel problems
« on: June 21, 2006, 04:47:12 PM »
Hello.

I am highly interested in using electrolysis to generate fuel to run a car engine. I have read testimonials that state that it is possible to generate the neccesary amount of gas from the water on demand, enough to run an engine, the only problem I see is the necesity of protecting the engine cilinders, pistons, valves, and exhaust from corrosion, to do this they (the testimonials) say that it is neccesary to apply a "ceramic coating".

So, what is this ceramic coating anyway? who does it? is it expensive? can you do it yourself?
I would appreciate any highlights on the matter.

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Water as fuel problems
« on: June 21, 2006, 04:47:12 PM »

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Water as fuel problems
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2006, 07:02:53 PM »
Have a look at
"byron energy joecell"
or
"ringorgone"
at
http://video.google.com

But their principle is very utopic...
just using implosion via orgone energy...
no real fuel for the pistons...

Offline pese

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Re: Water as fuel problems
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2006, 08:39:17 PM »
the best tips to eleminate corrision problems with ceramic coating
come since years from CELLA
http://www.hasslberger.com/tecno/hydrogen.html


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because also proban an butan gas have an lot of water ,if  burned in heaters , also motors , the people that use butan gas for autocars , start
the first 10 minutes to drive with gasoline , swap to gas (if hydrogen - do it)
an drive als the the last 10 minutes wit gasoline , so this way the motor
will we come"dry", from any water inside the motor.

i know this system since 40 years , otherwise most motors , as mercerdes,
wil not work so long time

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Re: Water as fuel problems
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2006, 08:39:17 PM »
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Offline lancaIV

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Re: Water as fuel problems
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2006, 12:52:40 AM »
There are some inventions related to ic-engines and the used
fuel-mix:
water+copper
water+aluminate
water+iron
water+carbon/graphite
=water+minerals  =mineral-oil
Hreha,Scott,Cornish,Kelly et cetera ... .

This indicates that there is a fuel alternative,so there
is only more the search for the "ideal" engine surface coating !

S
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« Last Edit: June 22, 2006, 01:17:48 AM by lancaIV »

Offline rickhunter7

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Re: Water as fuel problems
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2006, 11:03:20 PM »
One question. Have any of you ever succesfully run a car on water/hidrogen/whatever?

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Re: Water as fuel problems
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2006, 11:03:20 PM »
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Offline lancaIV

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Re: Water as fuel problems
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2006, 12:12:35 AM »
I can only respond for myself:personally ,no !

But there are several functional prototypes,
for example BMW with to H2 conversed ic-OTTO-engine !

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p.s.:beginning with small steps,
      www.autogas-india.com/fuelcell.html    "Hydrogen" generator
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Offline Liberty

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Re: Water as fuel problems
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2006, 12:22:14 AM »
One question. Have any of you ever succesfully run a car on water/hidrogen/whatever?

There is an article that talks about your question.  Go to:  http://pesn.com/2006/06/22/9500284_Bill_Williams_Joe_cell/

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Offline Walter Hofmann

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Re: Water as fuel problems
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2006, 11:53:42 AM »
Hi all,
I got a question for the practical guys, did anyone ever measure the output pressure with a gauge?
I used a welding gas gauge and I only can get 0.6 psi even that the cells produce what can be seen in the bubbler, but it seems that after this amount of pressure is reached the cells slows automatical down ( less bubbles)till the pressure is released and then start over with lots of big ( about 0.75 to 1 inch)bubbles. I can get a party ballon only be filled to the size of about 2 inch diameter no matter how long the cell are running.
 somebody has experience the same and know why this is?
practical comments please
greetings
walt

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Re: Water as fuel problems
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2006, 06:04:25 PM »
Hi all,
I got a question for the practical guys, did anyone ever measure the output pressure with a gauge?
I used a welding gas gauge and I only can get 0.6 psi even that the cells produce what can be seen in the bubbler, but it seems that after this amount of pressure is reached the cells slows automatical down ( less bubbles)till the pressure is released and then start over with lots of big ( about 0.75 to 1 inch)bubbles. I can get a party ballon only be filled to the size of about 2 inch diameter no matter how long the cell are running.
 somebody has experience the same and know why this is?
practical comments please
greetings
walt

I think this is related to why shaken sodas only burst when you open them. When you shake a soda, gas is produced, but then pressure is produced in the free space until that pressure prevents more gas from being produced, when you open the can, that pressure is released, a lot more gas is produced and you end up soaked in soda foam.
Maybe the production of gas within a liquid is inhibited by external pressure. This also happened to me but I built my electrolisis chamber from plastic, so when I tried to inflate a party baloon with hidrogen I got water leaks instead.  :'(

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Re: Water as fuel problems
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Offline Walter Hofmann

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Re: Water as fuel problems
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2006, 11:14:45 PM »
Hi all,
I got a question for the practical guys, did anyone ever measure the output pressure with a gauge?
I used a welding gas gauge and I only can get 0.6 psi even that the cells produce what can be seen in the bubbler, but it seems that after this amount of pressure is reached the cells slows automatical down ( less bubbles)till the pressure is released and then start over with lots of big ( about 0.75 to 1 inch)bubbles. I can get a party ballon only be filled to the size of about 2 inch diameter no matter how long the cell are running.
 somebody has experience the same and know why this is?
practical comments please
greetings
walt

I think this is related to why shaken sodas only burst when you open them. When you shake a soda, gas is produced, but then pressure is produced in the free space until that pressure prevents more gas from being produced, when you open the can, that pressure is released, a lot more gas is produced and you end up soaked in soda foam.
Maybe the production of gas within a liquid is inhibited by external pressure. This also happened to me but I built my electrolisis chamber from plastic, so when I tried to inflate a party baloon with hidrogen I got water leaks instead.  :'(

thanks,
my chambers are all from old hole house filter and even the bubbler, in the mean time I did figure out that the connection screws was not tight enough sealed, now after I placed a reenforced rubber washer inside and out, now I can inflate a balloon within seconds in about three to five minute it comes to the size of about 8 inches. the pressure comes up to 1 to 1 1/2 psi. The gauge was blown away after a backflash.
The only probleme what I got in comparrisson to all the picture from other guys is that no matter what kind of water I am using I allways getting black green slime. I used only H2SO4 waiting for the KOH, I also try drain cleaner with the same result. all metall parts are 316L SS. maybe somebody has an expanation .
greetings
walt

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Re: Water as fuel problems
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2006, 12:43:17 AM »
Let your black green slime analyzed !

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p.s.:Juan Carlos Aguero,Cordoba,Argentina EP0405919
      page 7,line 38-45:
      65AX87V,DC pulses !
      "Pulse energization of the electrolysis appears to maximise the
      ratio of hydrogen output rate to electric power input."

       
« Last Edit: July 01, 2006, 08:37:44 PM by lancaIV »

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